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Old 07-12-2011, 01:33 AM   #41
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Comparing him to Austin/Rock in any way is a bit of a stretch.
I say it's legitimate, b/c in order to be a top guy, you have to possess a certain charisma. Austin/Rock had loads of it, and Cody doesn't. His promos seem more about yelling to get his point across than comfortably speaking. I'm not saying he has to be the next Austin or Rock, but he does have to own the mic like they did. When he can easily work the crowd and become a major presence, then I will agree he should be a top guy.

I do like Cody and think he has potential, but until someone can motivate him to be himself more, he'll never fully connect with the crowd...
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:37 AM   #42
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Have never seen him as a 'top guy' anyway as he doesn't really have the size/look imo, all i've said(once again, maybe you'll listen this time) is its great how he's turned his career around and done aswell as he has. Don't know why you're arguing a different point to what is being made.
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Old 07-12-2011, 01:48 AM   #43
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Have never seen him as a 'top guy' anyway as he doesn't really have the size/look imo, all i've said(once again, maybe you'll listen this time) is its great how he's turned his career around and done aswell as he has. Don't know why you're arguing a different point to what is being made.
Maybe that's b/c I was responding to everyone in general here and not just you. I even agree that he's taken a bad character change and made a decent situation out of it. And the main point I was making was most here thought Cody was good on the mic and I disagreed. Imagine someone having an original thought or idea here:foc:
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No prob. Had a re-read of the thread and saw where your argument came from, missed the mentions of mic skills before.
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Cody can't be compared to Austin or Rock. Most wrestlers can't for that matter. I haven't really watched wrestling since Wrestlemania 25, but I've been watching again recently. Smackdown has been doing a better job keeping my attention than the other shows, and that's thanks in no small part to Cody. Is he the reason I'm watching again? No, but he does his job & does it well. Let the man grow as a performer before you compare him to the greats. He still has a good bit to go..
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I mark out for Cody Rhodes. I don't really feel it's necessary to think too hard about it as a fan.
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Cody can't be compared to Austin or Rock. Most wrestlers can't for that matter. I haven't really watched wrestling since Wrestlemania 25, but I've been watching again recently. Smackdown has been doing a better job keeping my attention than the other shows, and that's thanks in no small part to Cody. Is he the reason I'm watching again? No, but he does his job & does it well. Let the man grow as a performer before you compare him to the greats. He still has a good bit to go..
I agree SD has been doing a better job of performing more consistently than RAW. Like I said before, I do think Cody does his job decently. As far as comparing him to the greats, the only reason I did that is b/c some ppl here say he's "amazing" and I feel he hasn't reached that level yet. He has to adapt and grow more as a character before he can be called "amazing" appropriately. Marking out blindly doesn't change the fact that he has a long way to go development wise before he can be a true superstar...
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Theres a difference between calling someone amazing and comparing someone to the best of all-time, though. For example, this Orton/Xian/Sheamus story is amazing, but it's no Austin/McMahon or Hogan/Sting (the real one, not The Dark Knight Wrestles).
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Theres a difference between calling someone amazing and comparing someone to the best of all-time, though. For example, this Orton/Xian/Sheamus story is amazing, but it's no Austin/McMahon or Hogan/Sting (the real one, not The Dark Knight Wrestles).
Yes, exactly.
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Theres a difference between calling someone amazing and comparing someone to the best of all-time, though. For example, this Orton/Xian/Sheamus story is amazing, but it's no Austin/McMahon or Hogan/Sting (the real one, not The Dark Knight Wrestles).
Again, it's all a matter of opinion. I personally think calling someone amazing is implying they are great. Which IMO Cody is decent, but not good or great at this point in his career. While I do agree he's made the best of a bad situation, he has alot of character development to do before he can be considered amazing.
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You sure are taking semantics to the extreme here. When I made the thread and used the word 'amazing', I was certainly drunk, but even then, I wasn't thinking that Cody was on the same level of The Rock or Stone Cold. Nobody said anything like that at all, actually. So now that it's clarified from the guy that said the word 'amazing', are you still as bothered by it? Or is it all in the word for you? If you want, I'll even change the thread title to "Cody Rhodes is good right now".
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No, because he's decent! Not good or great.

...or something along those lines.
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"Cody Rhodes is a Wrestler: The Thread"
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Nuh-uh! He's an entertainer!
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"Cody Rhodes Is"
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Old 07-12-2011, 09:03 PM   #57
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Not necessarily. What if someone has never heard of him? To them, he is not.
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How very existential.
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LOL

How about: "Cody Rhodes is amazing...at being a midcard talent right now"?
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You sure are taking semantics to the extreme here. When I made the thread and used the word 'amazing', I was certainly drunk, but even then, I wasn't thinking that Cody was on the same level of The Rock or Stone Cold. Nobody said anything like that at all, actually. So now that it's clarified from the guy that said the word 'amazing', are you still as bothered by it? Or is it all in the word for you? If you want, I'll even change the thread title to "Cody Rhodes is good right now".
I may be talking samantics, but you sure are taking this seriously. To be clear, this thread never "bothered" me, b/c I don't take posting here that seriously. Just one guy's opinion. But it seems alot of ppl here have a real problem with difference of opinion. As soon as someone doesn't agree with them, they get pissed and whine b/c they react like a 5 year old. Sorry if I don't agree with your POV, but I call things as I see them. Don't like it? Grow up, b/c opinions are like assholes, and ppl like you earn that title.:foc:
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You weren't even really disagreeing with my opinion, though. You were disagreeing with a sentiment that was put forward by no one but yourself (comparing Cody to Austin and The Rock) and your basis for that was purely a word I used. Having a different opinion is fine, but arguing for the sake of it is lame. It also appears to be what you do in pretty much every thread you post in.
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lol I love it when somebody brings up the 'taking it seriously' argument/response as some variety of defense. It's classic silly people. Like somehow actually making a point takes longer than anything else.
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Especially when the guy making said point goes to great lengths to "argue his corner". Cos that's not taking it seriously, right?
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You weren't even really disagreeing with my opinion, though. You were disagreeing with a sentiment that was put forward by no one but yourself (comparing Cody to Austin and The Rock) and your basis for that was purely a word I used. Having a different opinion is fine, but arguing for the sake of it is lame. It also appears to be what you do in pretty much every thread you post in.
Actually, to some extent I was disagreeing with you, b/c you claimed Cody was "amazing" and I don't think he's earned it yet. And apparently no one got my meaning by using the Austin/Rock analogy. My point there was Cody hasn't reached their level on the mic, and until he does the word "amazing" doesn't apply here. Most ppl here thought I meant he had to be the next Austin or Rock, Clearly every wrestler, superstar, or whatever name you wanna use has a different style. So, I never claimed Cody had to be the next Austin or Rock, but he does have to be more comfortable on the mic and be able to adapt and develop more as a character.

I never argue for the sake of arguing, but if I disagree with something, I will add my thoughts on it. And for the most part, I explain why I agree or disagree with any thread's content. How is that lame? Ppl on wrestling forums too often flame someone that doesn't go along with popular opinion. Just b/c I have my own original thoughts or ideas doesn't mean I wanna argue. It means I wanna discuss the issue and explain my POV and even learn from other opinions or ideas. Unfortunately, as demonstrated here, ppl would rather flame than discuss something. Easy to be dismissive and sarcastic to avoid discussion if you simply don't feel the need to explain your position on a topic.
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Dude, relax. Don't take it all too seriously, y'know?
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And apparently no one got my meaning by using the Austin/Rock analogy.
lol have you noticed how many times you've claimed people appear to 'not get' something you say in the small amount of time you've been posting? You don't think that just maybe the problem is you?
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lol have you noticed how many times you've claimed people appear to 'not get' something you say in the small amount of time you've been posting? You don't think that just maybe the problem is you?
LOL, and I'm the serious one?
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I would love to explain my position on a matter if it is, in fact, my position. I wasn't trying to say that Cody is an elite superstar. I just used the word 'amazing', and admittedly, it was hyperbole. As far as "flaming", you were the one to call me an asshole.
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And apparently no one got my meaning by using the Austin/Rock analogy. My point there was Cody hasn't reached their level on the mic, and until he does the word "amazing" doesn't apply here.
Yes it does, and that was my point. Something can be amazing and not be one of the best ever.

Do you remember Venn diagrams from school? If amazing wrestlers/gimmicks/angles was one circle and the best wrestlers/gimmicks/angles of all-time was another, you could fit the latter circle into the former. Austin, Rock, the nWo, those are all in the smaller circle on the inside of the larger one that contains Cody Rhodes, Muhammad Hassan, and DDP dressed up as La Parka.
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I would love to explain my position on a matter if it is, in fact, my position. I wasn't trying to say that Cody is an elite superstar. I just used the word 'amazing', and admittedly, it was hyperbole. As far as "flaming", you were the one to call me an asshole.
I can respect your opinion as far as thinking Cody is amazing. I simply was pointing out I didn't agree with that viewpoint. Like I've said time and again, Cody has taken a bad situation and ran with it. I give him props for that, but at the same time, he could be progressing more. His mic work seems to be complacent, which is IMO holding him back from breaking through. It's a shame, considering he has had some really good matches on SD. My main comparison with Austin and Rock was stating if his mic work was up to par with those guys, he'd be champion by now. Unfortunately, it takes some guys longer to get to that level. Nothing wrong with that. It took Steve Austin wondering through WCW, ECW, and a few years in WWE before he progressed to an elite superstar. All I'm saying is it will take some major character development and change before I'd use the word amazing in the same sentence with Cody Rhodes. He is getting there, which is promising, but he seems to be complacent and letting his opportunities slip away. Once he gets the mic work down, I think in a few years he might actually reach that elite level....
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Yes it does, and that was my point. Something can be amazing and not be one of the best ever.

Do you remember Venn diagrams from school? If amazing wrestlers/gimmicks/angles was one circle and the best wrestlers/gimmicks/angles of all-time was another, you could fit the latter circle into the former. Austin, Rock, the nWo, those are all in the smaller circle on the inside of the larger one that contains Cody Rhodes, Muhammad Hassan, and DDP dressed up as La Parka.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the issue here. When you say amazing, I think greatness or elite. While Cody hasn't reached that level, he is progressing slowly. Being the best ever isn't relevant here, b/c my comparison before was saying Cody needed his mic work to be comparable to the likes of Austin or Rock in order to be amazing, As of now, it's too forced and not quite believable to me.
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Every single post of yours in this thread has said the exact same thing.
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I know how AbT feels about Cody Rhodes, not so sure how christiancharismark feels about him though...
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Seriously though, most people agree that Cody is at least "good" BECAUSE of his character and mic work - the 2 things ccm has criticised as "complacent".

Seems strange.
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Seriously though, most people agree that Cody is at least "good" BECAUSE of his character and mic work - the 2 things ccm has criticised as "complacent".

Seems strange.
I say his work is "complacent" b/c week in and week out, he pretty much says the same things. If your character never improves or evolves, what's the point? Just b/c most ppl here blindly mark out for him means I should smile and say I like him too? Sorry, but it seems "strange" to me that when I explain why I think he needs improvement, the smarks here sidestep answering the issues I have with his character. Saying you like him and that's enough is an empty statement. It makes more sense to explain why you do or don't like him. Funny too how by me saying I don't like him and giving explainations why I don't, the smarks here flame me and bad rep me. But I take this shit seriously???

I'd rather be considered a moron for giving my opinion and discussing something rationally than blindly marking out for a guy. I have yet to see ABT or XL say why they think Cody is so amazing. When I actually try asking for an answer after I explain why I don't like him, all they do is respond with one sentence and totally avoid the question. In several instances name calling or flaming my views. Wow, I could never see that coming. It's wrestling smarks like these that make intelligent discussion impossible at wrestling forums. They'd rather attack me for having an original thought or idea than discuss a topic. Ironic too that I'm accused of taking this seriously, but they respond to every reply I make, often not even discussing the topic itself...:foc:
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You don't think Austin was complacent?

I mean, don't get me wrong, he's one of the best of all-time (although I hate his guts), but he cut the same promo, had the same match, and did the same run-in for about four years.
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How have I attacked you? I stated my opinions on Cody Rhodes numerous times throughout this topic, and I never neg repped you or anything. As far as you and I go specifically, I did take a cut at your exaggeration of semantics, but that was only because you were counteracting points that I never even tried to make. I've admitted on numerous occasions that perhaps 'amazing' was an extreme term, and you can have that. That's fine. But to insinuate that I'm flaming you for your opinion is pretty far off the mark. Almost as far off the mark as you've been with your Austin/Rock comparison.
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I say his work is "complacent" b/c week in and week out, he pretty much says the same things. If your character never improves or evolves, what's the point? Just b/c most ppl here blindly mark out for him means I should smile and say I like him too? Sorry, but it seems "strange" to me that when I explain why I think he needs improvement, the smarks here sidestep answering the issues I have with his character. Saying you like him and that's enough is an empty statement. It makes more sense to explain why you do or don't like him. Funny too how by me saying I don't like him and giving explainations why I don't, the smarks here flame me and bad rep me. But I take this shit seriously???

I'd rather be considered a moron for giving my opinion and discussing something rationally than blindly marking out for a guy.
Where were you called a moron? I know that you used the word, I don't remember anybody calling you a moron though. You seem to be needlessly defensive in every thread you partake in. That's just an observation/MY OPINION, not a flame by the way.

Also, surely the term "marking out" by definition means that you don't have to give a rational explanation? Dunno. Maye I'm wrong there.

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I have yet to see ABT or XL say why they think Cody is so amazing. When I actually try asking for an answer after I explain why I don't like him, all they do is respond with one sentence and totally avoid the question. In several instances name calling or flaming my views. Wow, I could never see that coming. It's wrestling smarks like these that make intelligent discussion impossible at wrestling forums. They'd rather attack me for having an original thought or idea than discuss a topic. Ironic too that I'm accused of taking this seriously, but they respond to every reply I make, often not even discussing the topic itself...:foc:
For the record, I like Cody because despite his lack of size he has 'presence'. A lot of that is because of his mic work, which, for a guy with a speak impediment, is pretty "amazing".

His delivery is solid pretty much 100% of the time, he handles what is a fairly "difficult" character very well AND he is good in the ring.

We've established that noboby thinks he is the next Austin/Rock, but I am enjoying his work in the MIDCARD - where interesting characters are very rare.
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