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Yes 27 50.94%
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:24 AM   #41
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:37 AM   #42
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:50 AM   #43
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Rey Mysterio and Matt Hardy feuded over the Cruiserweight strap and it was done so well. They had Rey lose at Wrestlemania and then eventually win it for the first time in the WWE in his hometown on an edition of Smackdown.





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Old 11-09-2012, 03:22 AM   #44
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Exactly. This is also why I said NXT is doing it right. A "lesser" feud can get attention, is actually treated as such, and it gives someone else something to do.

Rollins is the champ. He's the man. We don't need him closing the show everytime to remind us of it. Instead, we get other main event matches. No matter what it is, we still get the "main event feel" since JR comes out and calls that one match per show.

Usos and Ascention are feuding. Over nothing, because there is no tag-team glory to be had in NXT. They just are. But it's great. Not everything needs an over-complication. They do their storytelling in the ring. On the flip side, Chris Hero and Ricky Steamboat Jr. are in a bitter rivalry, but they also don't even have a match every week, let alone with one another. Other people get on TV, and the announcers make mention of their rivalry if one or the other steps foot in the ring. Big E is accomplishing the same thing they were doing with Ryback, but he's doing it in a shorter amount of TV time... more room for someone else to get on. Also, now with Vickie's "bounty", there's now a storyline for him drawing her ire. He gets the rub AND she doesn't even have to appear on TV for it to continue to work! Also, factor in matches that just happen for the sake of matches.

And all this goes on in the world they've established in one hour. And the whole show doesn't revolve around CM Seth, or have to do anything risque to provide top to bottom entertainment.

If they followed this formula with RAW... hell, even Smackdown, they could actually get more people on TV and an opportunity to get established without having rushed things like throwaway tag teams or useless Diva 6 on 6 tag matches where none of the other girls even get tagged in or lumberjack matches with guys surrounding the ring that make you go "Wow, I thought ____ was released, I haven't seen him in so long!". Every angle doesn't need to involve a championship... let alone THE championship, every angle doesn't need explained ad nauseum, and not every match has to have a clear jobber.
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Old 11-09-2012, 08:50 AM   #45
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Exactly. This is also why I said NXT is doing it right. A "lesser" feud can get attention, is actually treated as such, and it gives someone else something to do.

Rollins is the champ. He's the man. We don't need him closing the show everytime to remind us of it. Instead, we get other main event matches. No matter what it is, we still get the "main event feel" since JR comes out and calls that one match per show.

Usos and Ascention are feuding. Over nothing, because there is no tag-team glory to be had in NXT. They just are. But it's great. Not everything needs an over-complication. They do their storytelling in the ring. On the flip side, Chris Hero and Ricky Steamboat Jr. are in a bitter rivalry, but they also don't even have a match every week, let alone with one another. Other people get on TV, and the announcers make mention of their rivalry if one or the other steps foot in the ring. Big E is accomplishing the same thing they were doing with Ryback, but he's doing it in a shorter amount of TV time... more room for someone else to get on. Also, now with Vickie's "bounty", there's now a storyline for him drawing her ire. He gets the rub AND she doesn't even have to appear on TV for it to continue to work! Also, factor in matches that just happen for the sake of matches.

And all this goes on in the world they've established in one hour. And the whole show doesn't revolve around CM Seth, or have to do anything risque to provide top to bottom entertainment.

If they followed this formula with RAW... hell, even Smackdown, they could actually get more people on TV and an opportunity to get established without having rushed things like throwaway tag teams or useless Diva 6 on 6 tag matches where none of the other girls even get tagged in or lumberjack matches with guys surrounding the ring that make you go "Wow, I thought ____ was released, I haven't seen him in so long!". Every angle doesn't need to involve a championship... let alone THE championship, every angle doesn't need explained ad nauseum, and not every match has to have a clear jobber.

Isn't this all Triple H? If it is, then that should tell you something...
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:35 AM   #46
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I voted for off-season. Like others have said, it's the quality of the show, not its length, that is the problem.

But, honestly, a two-month break after Mania would be a great way to cut down on injuries and creative burn-out, and they can also regroup after their big show and get plans together for the entire roster. Have a "season premiere" in June and they can run the annual "big summer program" into Summerslam with a healthy roster and a well-planned story arc.
I'm not sure if the WWE needs to have an "off-season," but I like the idea of guys being given time off more regularly to rest their nagging injuries, and to prolong the shelf-life of their characters.

Mark Henry's "Hall of Pain" storyline last year gave Big Show and Kane time off, for example, and currently Jack Swagger has been removed from television in storylines. I think these are good moves. If Big Show beats Sheamus at Survivor Series, I don't see why they can't have Sheamus "sell" the loss and disappear until around Royal Rumble time.

Also, NXT is a fantastically booked show. Was just thinking earlier how much better booked Big E. Langston is compared to Ryback. Seth Rollins actually wrestling has been made a big deal since he's not always featured on every show.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:31 PM   #47
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Exactly. This is also why I said NXT is doing it right. A "lesser" feud can get attention, is actually treated as such, and it gives someone else something to do.
Main Event.

Look at the Kofi-Miz match when Kofi won the IC title. It was a "lesser" feud that the way they presented it was treated like a huge, historic, epic event.

It's really weird the attention to detail WWE has in putting together every show accept for their main one which is where the organization and booking seems to go all over the place.
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:35 PM   #48
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I fucking love the idea of giving guys time off to keep their characters fresh, keep feuds going without having to book interactions weekly, etc. As long as you have enough guys who are over so you don't have gaping holes in your roster while they're away though. WWE kinda lacks that right now.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:36 PM   #49
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Main Event.

Look at the Kofi-Miz match when Kofi won the IC title. It was a "lesser" feud that the way they presented it was treated like a huge, historic, epic event.

It's really weird the attention to detail WWE has in putting together every show accept for their main one which is where the organization and booking seems to go all over the place.
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:07 PM   #50
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I feel like since it moved to 3 hours, we've gotten more great matches from the mid card. And it's really given the tag division time to shine.
This. Squash matches have pretty much disappeared from the three hour format, and I love it. Off the top of my head, Damien Sandow v. Sheamus, Wade Barrett v. Sheamus, and Dolph Ziggler v. Kofi matches from recent history (all awesome matches) would have never happened they way they did if the show were only two hours.

I also agree with the tag division shining. It's lovely.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:20 PM   #51
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I would not be opposed to brand exclusivity returning to lend each show its own identity again. While searching for ratings trends for SmackDown is surprisingly difficult, random examples I have found seem to indicate that having RAW talent heavily featured on SmackDown doesn't seem to have boosted ratings. So why not use the show to give more talent more time to show their skills. This could also reduce the schedule of many workers.

RAW might seemingly suffer, but I think that it would be possible to produce a layered show with an exclusive RAW talent roster. Especially if their was more emphasis on creating a compelling mid-card -- as opposed to mere focus on the main event.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:58 PM   #52
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I'm not sure if the WWE needs to have an "off-season," but I like the idea of guys being given time off more regularly to rest their nagging injuries, and to prolong the shelf-life of their characters.
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I fucking love the idea of giving guys time off to keep their characters fresh, keep feuds going without having to book interactions weekly, etc. As long as you have enough guys who are over so you don't have gaping holes in your roster while they're away though. WWE kinda lacks that right now.
I'm really surprised WWE hasn't kayfabed injuries in the reverse fashion- kinda like "Sandman's blind". They usually tend to have something happen to them to write them off TV if they are legit injured to explain away their time off... how about they actually do that for a "vacation" as well? Let them rest up a bit without it being either doctor's orders or having to coincide with a lapse in new contract or a wellness policy violation.

Unless you're Undertaker. Then you just dissappear, then re-emerge randomly* to a huge pop to your bell toll. You don't have to explain it, because he's the goddamn Undertaker.



*It's not so random anymore- it is around Wrestlemania season.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:58 AM   #53
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Isn't this all Triple H? If it is, then that should tell you something...
Not sure about all cause he's got Dusty Rhodes there too. But yeah this isn't just a good sign for the future of the WWE roster, but the future of WWE management.
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If they are going to carry on with three-hour RAWs, they should have compelling storylines in which I can invest my time and interest.
Yet you will still watch the show anyway...
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I'm really surprised WWE hasn't kayfabed injuries in the reverse fashion- kinda like "Sandman's blind". They usually tend to have something happen to them to write them off TV if they are legit injured to explain away their time off... how about they actually do that for a "vacation" as well? Let them rest up a bit without it being either doctor's orders or having to coincide with a lapse in new contract or a wellness policy violation.

Unless you're Undertaker. Then you just dissappear, then re-emerge randomly* to a huge pop to your bell toll. You don't have to explain it, because he's the goddamn Undertaker.



*It's not so random anymore- it is around Wrestlemania season.
The problem here is that WWE likes the brand split because it means they can milk even more out of their roster. People can praise or hate the roster split as much as they want, but one of the big reasons is the extra shit they can squeeze out of the roster. WWE doesn't seem to want performers to have breaks.
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