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Old 10-24-2017, 04:48 PM   #1
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Part of it is just the use of the word “era”; it’s too overused. Everything has to be an era since the Attitude Era.

It’d be more palatable if it were just “Undisputed” but even then it wouldn’t really mean anything for the 3 guys in the group.
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I've got very little interest in the group from the get-go, because I really don't like Kyle O'Reilly. I'll admit to not having seen much Adam Cole, but when people rave about him it kind of reminds me of Ann Veal in Arrested Development. "Him?"
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Haha. I’m right there with you.

I’d heard a lot but seen nothing of Cole but since he’s arrived I don’t see the appeal. I’m by no means a body or hoss guy but he’s so skinny - not even in a defined/cut way like a Finn Balor, he just looks like a guy off the street.
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I'm not a body/hoss guy either, but I've grown to appreciate how important that stuff can be, and that credibility is important, yah yah. He doesn't even look "atypical." He looks like every night club shift manager I've ever seen. You know who he actually reminds me of? David Arquette.
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I did. I can’t tell you anything about it. I bet there were more kicks/strikes than wrestling moves though.
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When he got the big entrance I thought "Oh, this guy is something." Then he did his usual indy stuff and I zoned out. Did he debut against Almas? I just remember the entrance with all the weird symbols, haha. And that he did a dive that I didn't think fit his "character." And that he sat cross-legged.
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I did. I can’t tell you anything about it. I bet there were more kicks/strikes than wrestling moves though.
I found it highly entertaining.

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When he got the big entrance I thought "Oh, this guy is something." Then he did his usual indy stuff and I zoned out. Did he debut against Almas? I just remember the entrance with all the weird symbols, haha. And that he did a dive that I didn't think fit his "character." And that he sat cross-legged.
He did. I think Almas actually looked better in that particular match.
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When he got the big entrance I thought "Oh, this guy is something." Then he did his usual indy stuff and I zoned out. Did he debut against Almas? I just remember the entrance with all the weird symbols, haha. And that he did a dive that I didn't think fit his "character." And that he sat cross-legged.
That's kind of what I mean. With his look, I feel like he should be a brawler that intimidates people. Instead, he's a Goth Ninja without the cool factor of either Goths or Ninjas.

I will say that the WWE name generator did him a favor, because Aleister Black is a more memorable name than Tommy End.
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Actually, Almas is kinda good as fuck.
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Actually, Almas is kinda good as fuck.
I agree , think with some actual direction he has shown what he can do .

I too enjoyed that match between Black and Itami , I enjoy the Aleister Black character and his finishing move looks like it hurts like hell.
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Almas got off to that shitty start, because I think Triple H might almost be as tone-deaf when it comes to presenting people from different cultures as Vince is. I haven't seen him too much recently, but when I did see him last, he was a damn good smug prick. It's just a shame they didn't get him there as a babyface. But now that he's got the personality down, he can probably transition on the main roster. Just stick him against Miz. People will cheer him against Miz.
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I've not seen any of his stuff pre NXT , he obviously has the In ring talent . I'd keep him as a smug prick , he plays it well , his entrance allows him to be a smug prick .
And it's nice to have another Mexican wrestler that they don't want to be Rey Mysterio version 75.
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I've not seen any of his stuff pre NXT , he obviously has the In ring talent . I'd keep him as a smug prick , he plays it well , his entrance allows him to be a smug prick .
And it's nice to have another Mexican wrestler that they don't want to be Rey Mysterio version 75.
That was the problem I found with him: he was just a bland, force-fed babyface. There was nothing to him except being Hispanic, and the company seemed dead set on marketing that fucking hat. That Tommy Dreamer remark I made about the suspenders felt apt, because that's kinda what happened in ECW - he was a shitty babyface that nobody accepted initially because he was completely generic and a 180 from the "heart and soul of ECW" he's remembered as to this day.

It's also neat that he hasn't been relegated to yet another masked wrestler or stereotypical "Yo, esse!" street thug. The role of his manager is actually semi-refreshing as well: she isn't *just* an arm charm, she is also a proficient mouthpiece (he isn't bad, but not really great either), a traditional distractionary measure, and most importantly, actively keeps Almas focused by calling bullshit on his showboating since he acts too smug for his own good - in essence she is a part of his character. Hopefully, they stay a pair and the company doesn't get happy with a breakup and/or trying to make her the hot new starlet at his expense.
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Agreed on the Rey Mysterio part. I think Vince actually wants them all to come off as scared children.
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Agreed on the Rey Mysterio part. I think Vince actually wants them all to come off as scared children.
True , to be fair though every time I see Kalisto wrestler I just imagine it to be a kid in a mask.
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True , to be fair though every time I see Kalisto wrestler I just imagine it to be a kid in a mask.
Sometimes I think Vince McMahon wants people to think that about Rey Mysterio and Kalisto types. They'll never come out and say that Rey or Kalisto is an actual child, but I think that is genuinely suspect that Vince might want them to give off that vibe.
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Sometimes I think Vince McMahon wants people to think that about Rey Mysterio and Kalisto types. They'll never come out and say that Rey or Kalisto is an actual child, but I think that is genuinely suspect that Vince might want them to give off that vibe.
Merchandise for kids , wear the mask and you too could be a WWE superstar.
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That's it. I can see how he gets there, but ew.
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How are The Iconic Duo doing in the ring lately?
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I'm not sure if Billie Kay is still injured but the focus seems be more on Peyton Royce. She's solid in the ring, nothing spectacular but they work well as a duo and would need to be sent up as a duo .
Could seem them being more popular for backstage segments .
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Yeah, I've always envisioned them getting called up and doing backstage segments where they just look hot and welcome us back from commercial or whatever, haha. I'd like to see them against Becky and Charlotte.
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Yeah, I've always envisioned them getting called up and doing backstage segments where they just look hot and welcome us back from commercial or whatever, haha. I'd like to see them against Becky and Charlotte.
Imagine them to be bought up as Kurt Angle's helpers or something. Wrestle the odd match or just start an Aussie faction with Emma.
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Imagine them to be bought up as Kurt Angle's helpers or something. Wrestle the odd match or just start an Aussie faction with Emma.
I can very easily see them in that role, haha.
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Peyton seems to have improved quite a bit in the ring. A beautiful fisherman's suplex, at very least. I can't even remember the last time I saw Billie Kay wrestle, but I will say that her theme song is incredible.
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Thanks, I'll have to check out that suplex.
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I was sure that Kay and Royce would have crossed paths on the Australian scene, but I had no clue they went to the same high school.
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I was sure that Kay and Royce would have crossed paths on the Australian scene, but I had no clue they went to the same high school.
Ye, that's why their chemistry is so on point , legit friends .
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Talking about Emma , I've been watching NXT from 2012 onwards when the concept changed and she's really come on loads . You can tell the hard work she must of put in and getting away from the bubbles and crazy dancing .
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Talking about Emma , I've been watching NXT from 2012 onwards when the concept changed and she's really come on loads . You can tell the hard work she must of put in and getting away from the bubbles and crazy dancing .
I fell for the original gimmick hook, line and sinker. I think her climb to the top was adorable. When it flopped on the main roster as comedy, I liked the change. Evil Emma has never "come together" for me though. I don't know whether it's just that she tries to act too tough, or that her attire hasn't changed much or what have you.

She's gotten herself super fit though. And her enhancements have certainly helped her grab some attention. I hope it all comes together for her.
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I fell for the original gimmick hook, line and sinker. I think her climb to the top was adorable. When it flopped on the main roster as comedy, I liked the change. Evil Emma has never "come together" for me though. I don't know whether it's just that she tries to act too tough, or that her attire hasn't changed much or what have you.

She's gotten herself super fit though. And her enhancements have certainly helped her grab some attention. I hope it all comes together for her.
I don't think she was helped with the whole Emmalins debacle and getting injuries at really bad times.
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This was a good one.
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This was a good one.
She's very bendy. I like Peyton, don't get me wrong, but I've always thought she looks "snappable." She doesn't look very thick for even a female wrestler. Which is fine, because it suits her being a chickenshit heel and a crushable babyface.
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Holy shit, Patrick Clark is so young.
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They've called up his previous tag partner in Lio Rush too. The height difference between the two when their next to each other .
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They've called up his previous tag partner in Lio Rush too. The height difference between the two when their next to each other .
No clue they used to team. I've heard good things about Rush, but I've kind of gotten the impression that he is just a flippy guy. If he stays in NXT for a little while maybe he can swoop into the Cruiserweight Division and steal the show from them or something though.
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They've called up his previous tag partner in Lio Rush too. The height difference between the two when their next to each other .
They wrestled each other on NXT a couple weeks ago. Didn't know they used to tag.
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I'd like to give Peyton a bend or two.

Yeah, Patrick Clark is...what, like 22?

Royce is only 24.
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Rush is fast as fuck. Crazy to watch.
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