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Old 09-04-2004, 01:22 AM   #41
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Old 09-04-2004, 02:17 AM   #42
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Old 09-04-2004, 02:30 AM   #43
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Old 09-04-2004, 02:27 PM   #44
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Kevin, you are taking Kobe's "word" over hers. Why?

I mean no one really knows what happened.

All I'm arguing is that the procecution teams was shit and that all the personal info leaks are unforgiveable.
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Old 09-04-2004, 02:36 PM   #45
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All I'm arguing is that the procecution teams was shit and that all the personal info leaks are unforgiveable.
Fully agree with that...I dont think anybody would disagree.

Im arguing the merit of her sex life a short time before and after the alledged rape.

My whole point is basically summed up, that if any physical damage to her could have been caused by someone other than Bryant...then the defence and the courts should know, and should be able to ask.

And yes I am taking his word over hers. She's continuing with her civil suit, where she stands to make millions of dollars.

She'll most likely get the same type of treatment as shes getting now...being called a slut, death threats etc etc.

But instead of Kobe going to jail for a hideous crime, she'll pocket a few million dollars. Thats what makes her a whore. She fucked him, screamed rape...and is getting paid.

You cant forget, there is no criminal case. Legally Koybe didnt rape her. Yet he's branded a rapist, before this, he had a clean image. A bad husband he is, but a rapist he isnt.
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Old 09-04-2004, 02:58 PM   #46
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EAGLE, Colo. - The sheriff and prosecutor in the Kobe Bryant sexual assault case defended how the case was handled, and said they were disappointed it never went to trial.





Sheriff's investigators have been criticized by Bryant's lawyers and legal experts who argued authorities did a haphazard job and prematurely arrested Bryant before prosecutors could review the facts.



Sheriff Joe Hoy said Thursday investigators did their job correctly and prosecutors and investigators worked together on the case from the start.



"They did a very thorough investigation," he said. "If I didn't think it was a valid case, we wouldn't have gone forward."



Asked whether he felt justice had been done, Hoy said no.



"It would have been good to see it go through, but under the circumstances, it was the right thing," he said.



Mark Hurlbert, district attorney for the 5th Judicial District, also defended his performance, denying claims that prosecutors withheld evidence that would have been helpful to the NBA star.



Hurlbert said Thursday that he had enough evidence to meet the ethical requirements for pursuing the case and only dropped the case because Bryant's accuser backed out.



"I regret that we could not go to trial and tell the full story. That's the only regret I have," Hurlbert told The Denver Post.



He faces his first election this fall and the unraveling of the case that cost taxpayers at least $200,000 has become a campaign issue.



On Tuesday, a day before Hurlbert dropped the case against Bryant, Bryant's lawyers filed a motion to dismiss the case accusing prosecutors of withholding key testimony from a forensics expert.



Dr. Michael Baden, a former New York City medical examiner who had been expected to testify, found that genital injuries and a jaw bruise found on the alleged victim at a hospital exam the day after she was with Bryant could have resulted from consensual sex.



Prosecutors later dropped Baden from the witness list but didn't tell the defense what Baden's findings were. The motion was filed after defense lawyers found out about his opinions.



Hurlbert said he had a response for every claim raised by the defense, including the presence of another man's semen on the woman and in her underwear. In testimony mistakenly released to the media, a defense expert said the evidence showed that the woman had sex with someone else after Bryant and before she underwent a hospital exam. The woman's lawyers deny that.



"We could have subpoenaed her and brought her in, but that is something that I am unwilling to do — revictimize an already fragile person," Hurlbert said.



The case had an unusual beginning with Hurlbert caught off guard by Hoy's decision to arrest the five-time All-Star on July 4, 2003.



The sheriff sought the warrant directly from a judge, instead of making the request through the district attorney, which is the usual practice.







Hurlbert took two weeks before deciding to file charges against Bryant.

"I really took my time," Hurlbert told the Post. "The whole idea that the case was troubled is really something the media made up. I knew that this was going to be a huge case, and I wanted to be sure that we were on the right track."

Bryant, 26, has said he had consensual sex with a then-19-year-old employee of a Vail-area resort where he stayed last summer. He apologized to the victim "for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year." The woman, whose lawyers said asked for the apology as a condition of dropping her testimony, is pursuing a civil lawsuit against Bryant.
A bruised jaw is result of consensual sex?
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Old 09-04-2004, 03:07 PM   #47
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did you read the whole thing?

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a defense expert said the evidence showed that the woman had sex with someone else after Bryant and before she underwent a hospital exam
proove to me that bryant left that bruised jaw and genital injuries
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Old 09-04-2004, 03:29 PM   #48
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So you're saying a bruised jaw can result from consensual sex, then?
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Old 09-04-2004, 03:37 PM   #49
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depends on the bruise really. Its possible...but unlikely.

But the fact she had sex with some else before going to the hospital shows that Bryant may not have been the one to leave the bruise...something the defence has the right to know about.
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Oh I agree, the whole thing was dodgy but I don't know about her past sex life being revealed. If she had sex afterwards, that should be revealed but all the other stuff being revealed was just to humiliate her.

Guess we will never know if he raped her, but truthfully, who really thought he would actually goto jail? I figured that it would be settled in other ways.
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Old 09-16-2004, 07:48 PM   #51
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I saw they released his interrogation the day after. I read it on ESPN.com and it seemed edited, if I can find a better version I'll post it.
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Old 09-17-2004, 07:12 PM   #52
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Bryant: ``My bodyguards -- I got to, I got to tell them what's going on, my biggest fear is my career and ... ``

Winters: ``I understand ...''

Bryant: ``... my image, so.''

Winters: ``... very, very much so and we're trying to respect that as much as we can, all right?''

Loya: ``And this is how we work, Kobe. We're not, we're not here to destroy your career or your image, but we do have a serious matter at hand that we'd like to resolve and it's all going to depend on your cooperation and how you want to resolve it.''

Bryant: ``Well. Do I have to?''

Winters: ``Well, that's up to you, I mean we'd like to find out your side of the story, we'll get into the details of it, we'll explain what's going on. Um, but that's all we want to do, Kobe.''

Loya: ``And that's one of the reasons, and that's one of the reasons, this is one of the reasons we're up here at this time of night.''

Bryant: ``Ask me what, ask me something, ask me anything.''

(Loya had asked Bryant how the woman showed him a tattoo on her back.)

Bryant: ``She had like a strap or whatever and she like lowered it. I told her to turn around and she lowered it and she showed me.''

Winters: ``OK, all right um, did anything happen in the room?''

Bryant: ``Like what?''

Loya: ``Uh, did you guys hug or kiss?''

Winters: ``Kiss or hug?''

Bryant: ``No.''

Winters: ``OK. Um. I'll be blunt and ask you. Did you have sexual intercourse with her?''

Bryant: ``No.''

Winters: ``Yet there is an allegation that it was an unconsensual intercourse that occurred last night, OK. All right. Hang on, OK, hang on, I understand you have every right to be upset, OK, but you know, I'm giving you an opportunity to tell the truth if something did happen, because I'm going to tell you now, um, we're going to find out.''

Bryant: ``Is there any way I can settle this whatever it is, I mean ... ?''

Winters: ``Well, what do you mean by settle?''

Bryant: ``If my wife, if my wife found out that anybody made any type of allegations against me she would be infuriated.''

Loya: ``Just be straight up, we're not going to tell your wife or anything like that. Did you have sexual intercourse with her?''

Bryant: ``Uh, this is what I need to know because uh I did have sexual intercourse with her. Cause I was (inaudible).''

Winters: ``And I understand.''

Loya: ``OK, was it consensual?''

Bryant: ``It was totally consensual.''

Loya: ``What makes you believe, what makes you believe it was consensual?''

Bryant: ```Cause she started kissing me, (inaudible) then she bent over and (inaudible).''

Loya: ``Is this, I don't mean to offend you in any way but is this a habit of yours, that you cheat on your wife?''

Winters: ``Has this ever happened before?''

Bryant: ``Um, yes, with one other person. And she could actually testify I do that um, I do the same thing, I hold her from the back, I put my hands (inaudible).''

Loya: ``And who's that other person?''

Bryant: ``Her name is Michelle.''

Loya: ``And this is somebody you frequent or one time incident or ...?''

Bryant: ``No. She's a, she's a frequent (inaudible).''

Loya: ``And your wife ...''

Bryant: (Inaudible)

Loya: ``Obviously your wife doesn't know about this?''

Bryant:'' No. Nothing man, seriously.''

Bryant: "... I can't believe this girl. What does she want from me?"


Loya: "Do you want me to carry those for you, Kobe?" (Apparently referring to Bryant's crutches.)


Bryant: "Yeah. What does she want, what does she want?"


Winters: "I don't think she wants anything."


Bryant: "Are you kidding me?"


Loya: "What are you willing to give her?"


Bryant: "She has to want, she has to want something (inaudible) she has to want something."


Winters: "What do you mean she has to want something? I don't understand."


Bryant: "She has to have a, she has to have a motive, to do, she has to have a motive to do this."


Winters: "What would be, what do you think her motive is then?"


Loya: "Are you willing to pay that if she is?"


Bryant: "I got to. I got to. I'm in the worst (edited) situation."

Credit: AP
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The thing is this opens flood gates. It creates an atmosphere where the victim ends up on trial, that's why these type of defences were banned in the first place. Look I'm not saying he's guilty, I'm just saying her sex life (or anyone's sex life in any rape case) should not be a valid defence.
I agree, in Britain information about her sex life would not be allowed as evidence and would be ignored by the jury.
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