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Old 09-30-2004, 01:11 AM   #41
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Let's understand each other.... I'm not saying he NEVER had a gimmick. Hell, look at HHH. When he started out as "Hunter Hearse Helmsley", the stuck up little rich kid, THAT was a gimmick. Now he's just a big angry man. Being big and angry isn't a gimmick. It's a hulking mass with a sour disposition. These guys have grown as stars beyond the NEED of a gimmick. Nobody is gonna say "Shawn Micheals who?" because everyone on Earth knows who he is. He's got personality. He's got showmanship. He does NOT have a gimmick.
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Old 09-30-2004, 01:47 AM   #42
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Let's understand each other.... I'm not saying he NEVER had a gimmick. Hell, look at HHH. When he started out as "Hunter Hearse Helmsley", the stuck up little rich kid, THAT was a gimmick. Now he's just a big angry man. Being big and angry isn't a gimmick. It's a hulking mass with a sour disposition. These guys have grown as stars beyond the NEED of a gimmick. Nobody is gonna say "Shawn Micheals who?" because everyone on Earth knows who he is. He's got personality. He's got showmanship. He does NOT have a gimmick.
Your definition of the term 'gimmick' is very exclusive. You need to understand that the general opinion of a gimmick can be something very minor. For instance, HHH's gimmick is that he's a badass that will do anything in his power to keep the World title, he's the cerebral assassin, etc. Michaels' gimmick (pre- born again Christian) was being a cocky showman who would never quit in any match. There are different degrees of gimmicks, and while the Undertaker has a very developed gimmick, others like Christian and Jericho have less degree of gimmick.
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Old 09-30-2004, 02:05 AM   #43
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I agree that now the "Heartbreak Kid" is just something attached to his name, but back in his prime, it was very much a gimmick.
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Old 09-30-2004, 04:16 AM   #44
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Can't diasgree with Shawn being ht egreatest perormer of all time. I always prefered him to Bret and in his prime he could carry anyone to a decent match and even now he is still better than most of the WWE roster.
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Apart from that, Shawn Michaels doesn't even use his real name. HBK is a gimmick and until he starts coming out to different music as Michael Hickenbottom or whatever his real name is, he's still using a gimmick.
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Old 09-30-2004, 07:27 PM   #46
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Apart from that, Shawn Michaels doesn't even use his real name. HBK is a gimmick and until he starts coming out to different music as Michael Hickenbottom or whatever his real name is, he's still using a gimmick.
That's not true. A gimmick is sort of like a colourful role. Shawn Michaels is his wrestling name, but that doesn't make it a gimmick. His theme music and "HBK" moniquer were both part of the "Heartbreak Kid" gimmick, but he doesn't do anything gimmicky anymore.
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Old 10-01-2004, 12:39 AM   #47
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Discuss........and I'll rebut your pathetic attempts to disprove this statement.
You'll get no argument from me. In my humble opinion, HBK is THE single greatest WWE performer of all time. Fact? No. Opinion? Yes.
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Old 10-01-2004, 07:21 AM   #48
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I hate to harp on something so trivial, but really, being a hardass that wants to keep a title belt would describe anybody with the title, except RVD who would be a laid back stoner who wants to keep his belt. As posted on Dictionary.com, a gimmick is "An innovative stratagem or scheme employed especially to promote a project." Having personality, a nickname, or theme music, is not a gimmick. That's a requirement of every WWE star. That's character. There is a difference between "gimmick" and "character" that we are, somehow, not making clear.
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Bret Hart, Steve Austin, The Rock, Ric Flair, Mick Foley, Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho, and Undertaker are all miles better than HBK; some in terms of frawing ability, some in terms of wrestling, some in terms of their legacy, and some are better in all three of those categories.
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