.....NOT AGAIN!

[darkpower]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 Probably not much, because The CyNick is a respected poster here with great ideas and a high intelligence in his posts. The reason he called everyone who said "F*ck the pandas! F*ck the World Wildlife Fund!", etc. marks, is because some people are failing to look at this from the Fund's point of view. Now I don't know if they really care about animals or not, but they are a fund, which implies they need money. Therefore any damage that legally shouldn't be done that is done to the Fund, should be expected to be followed up. If they had no proof of damages, they wouldn't be sueing. I'm not a legal expert, but I htink it would take a while to calculate damages, and an exact and fair sum of money the WWE should pay. Two and a half years is not that long when it compares to other financial cases. Besides, if the WWF had come into court back then and said there may be damages done to their organisation, yet they had no proof, they would have been laughed out of the courtroom. If the Fund has proof of damages, and has a perfect sum of what the WWE should pay to make up for it, I think it is more than fair that the WWE pays. I don't know if the fund is going to go fairly square with the WWE here (there is no evidence they are trying to harm the WWE, they are just helping themselves), or if they will get some sort of bonus compensation, but whatever happens, let's just hope the court ruling is fair and final.

You do have a point that it may take a long time for all the exact numbers and stats to be figured out, and that the WWE should (and probably had every intentions to) pay on it. But that is still something that the WWF should've done before the very first lawsuit was filed, not now. Even at that point, they could've gotten a pretty good estimated figure of damages they claimed came from the WWE (and there is also a small possibility of whether or not the damages were intentional or not being a factor, don't ask me how, though I doubt it, but I will never be able to fully understand some judges anymore). And coupled with the fact that there have been lawsuits before this and after the first one, there are many suspicions that cloud this issue.

I do thank you, though, for making this a debate rather than just saying that someone sucked for disagreeing. I still can't see why this could've been done sooner. It does no good to wait this long for the WWF.

[Lara Emily]

Originally Posted by Always450 For the love of god, and all that is holy, say it ain't so! "Now in its fifth decade..." Fuck the WWF. Vince's company has been around for longer than the panda express. The Wold Wide Wresteling Federation was around before the wildlife fund.

If the World Wrestling Federation had been around longer than the World Wildlife Fund then guess what, BVince would probably have had more of a stake in the name, however, regardless of the WWWF (different initial you will note), the Fund has been around longer than the Federation.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by darkpower You do have a point that it may take a long time for all the exact numbers and stats to be figured out, and that the WWE should (and probably had every intentions to) pay on it. But that is still something that the WWF should've done before the very first lawsuit was filed, not now. Even at that point, they could've gotten a pretty good estimated figure of damages they claimed came from the WWE (and there is also a small possibility of whether or not the damages were intentional or not being a factor, don't ask me how, though I doubt it, but I will never be able to fully understand some judges anymore). And coupled with the fact that there have been lawsuits before this and after the first one, there are many suspicions that cloud this issue. I do thank you, though, for making this a debate rather than just saying that someone sucked for disagreeing. I still can't see why this could've been done sooner. It does no good to wait this long for the WWF.

You bring up a good point as well, and it really wouldn't surprise me if someone in the WWF said "Hey, we need a truck full of cash, fast!", and then someone said "Hey, let's sue the WWE again for damages down to our organisation!". Timing may be something that couldn't have been helped here by the Fund, or it could just be the time the Fund decides they want a bit of extra cash (that they are intitled to).

I guess the legal facts will come up in court, so I guess we can just hope that the World Wildlife Fund is more than fair in their asking price, and that the ruling is more than fair itself.

if I understand the lawsuit correctly, it is because of Vince's "Breech Of Contract" if I am wrong, please correct me.

I do not have any DVD's so therefore I do not know if Vince is showing the WWF Logo on there or not. However, from what I see on TV and in the stores Vince is not breeching any damn thing. No one has ever heard of the World Wildlife Fund until this stupid ass lawsuit began in 1994.

I went to the World Wildlife Fund's website, and it said they were founded in 1963, which is the same year the World Wide Wrestling Federation was founded. My question is this. Tell me why it took them Son's Of Bitch's 31 fuckin years to sue the World Wrestling Federation? I'll tell you why, it's because, some jackass who works for those queers doesnt like wrestling, therefore he/she doesn't think anyone else should either, and thus said. "Hey let's sue the World Wrestling Federation and try to gain some instant popularity after 31 years of noone knowing who the hell we are" In My Opinion, this whole damned lawsuit is Bull Shit and has been for the last 10 years when it started.

[Loose Cannon]

Trust me dude, he rep didn't go down at all because he along with a couple others is more respected as when it comes to facts about wrestling then anyone else on this board.

And he's right in everything he was saying. WWE broke contract and that's that. WWF has every right to do what they want to do.

[Aussie Skier]

Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool bitch bitch bitch...bunch of tree hugging fags.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by WWEFanJason if I understand the lawsuit correctly, it is because of Vince's "Breech Of Contract" if I am wrong, please correct me. I do not have any DVD's so therefore I do not know if Vince is showing the WWF Logo on there or not. However, from what I see on TV and in the stores Vince is not breeching any damn thing. No one has ever heard of the World Wildlife Fund until this stupid ass lawsuit began in 1994. I went to the World Wildlife Fund's website, and it said they were founded in 1963, which is the same year the World Wide Wrestling Federation was founded. My question is this. Tell me why it took them Son's Of Bitch's 31 fuckin years to sue the World Wrestling Federation? I'll tell you why, it's because, some jackass who works for those queers doesnt like wrestling, therefore he/she doesn't think anyone else should either, and thus said. "Hey let's sue the World Wrestling Federation and try to gain some instant popularity after 31 years of noone knowing who the hell we are" In My Opinion, this whole damned lawsuit is Bull Shit and has been for the last 10 years when it started.

I think you sort of pissed the point. I have a DVD of the 2001 Royal Rumble (released after the name change), and they still use the words "Federation" and "WWF" in sentences.

31 years is a fair long time, but if they did do something back then, maybe the WWE wouldn't have been able to recover? Maybe it's better they waited so long? I don't know the legal facts, but I can tell you, things might be a bit worse than what they are if the WWF use their powers to their fullest extent.

[Apocolyptik1]

I have heard of some cases being tied up in legal systems for about a year and a half, but 2 and a half is kinda long.

But if they really did have this tied up and did have to cruntch numbers around,file for the lawsuit, set court dates, maybe go to a retrail, I can imagine it being 2 years.

Just because this is just being mentioned on this site, or other wrestling sites doesnt mean that behind the scenes this couldnt have been going on for a couple months now, without you all knowing about it. Vince has many secrets he doesnt want to have out in the open, especially if it is more bad publicity for WWE making mistakes and disobeying contract negotiations.

Saying the World Wild Life Fund are a buntch of Tree hugging ******s is a little much though and I completely understand why he called you more extreme neighsayers marks.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Apocolyptik1 I have heard of some cases being tied up in legal systems for about a year and a half, but 2 and a half is kinda long. But if they really did have this tied up and did have to cruntch numbers around,file for the lawsuit, set court dates, maybe go to a retrail, I can imagine it being 2 years. Just because this is just being mentioned on this site, or other wrestling sites doesnt mean that behind the scenes this couldnt have been going on for a couple months now, without you all knowing about it. Vince has many secrets he doesnt want to have out in the open, especially if it is more bad publicity for WWE making mistakes and disobeying contract negotiations. Saying the World Wild Life Fund are a buntch of Tree hugging ******s is a little much though and I completely understand why he called you more extreme neighsayers marks.

That was an extremely intelligent post.

Good work.

[M-A-G]

Originally Posted by Disturbed316 I heard there might be no more A-Train's left by the year 2006

We already lost one on Monday! WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE A-TRAINS?!?!?!?

[The CyNick]

Darkpower,

People who have been here for any length of time know I very rarely lash out at people in terms fo name calling or stuff like that. But my point was just that I hate reading that the WWF are a bunch of "fags" or whatever, just because they filed a perfectly legitimate lawsuite against Vince. And especially when Vince is ocmpletely in the wrong, and could have prevented this situation. Its like people ignore the facts, which I hate.

Alienoid pretty much said what I was going to say in response to your first post. Its about getting your ducks in a row. You dont want to go into a battle without a gameplan, well unless youre a President of the US. So to me, and I'm no legal expert either, but think its perfectly reasonable to take 2 years to get evidence together in order to go into a lawsuit like this one.

In terms of timing, I dont see why thats an issue at all. They are suing up until the time the WWE switched their initials, so its not like they are benefitting from waiting, or that the WWE is being hurt, its just for whatever reason they picked now as the time to go forward. I remember when this first story broke they were saying they would sue for millions, maybe hundreds of millions sometime down the line. So its not like the WWE didn't know it was coming, and I'm sure they've been taking the time to build a strong defence, just like WWF has been building their offence.

Also, someone brought up 1963 or whatever, the lawsuit only dates back to when Vince signed the original agreement to stop using the name WWF outside the US. Which I believe was the early 90s (sorry I'm too lazy to look it up). So that would be when the damages could be seeked from.

As for the rep thing, I didn't even know how that stuff worked until like a month or two ago. I'm glad people "respect" me here, but its more meaningful to hear people say something in my defence rather than having a bunch of annonymous dots under my name.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Darkpower, People who have been here for any length of time know I very rarely lash out at people in terms fo name calling or stuff like that. But my point was just that I hate reading that the WWF are a bunch of "fags" or whatever, just because they filed a perfectly legitimate lawsuite against Vince. And especially when Vince is ocmpletely in the wrong, and could have prevented this situation. Its like people ignore the facts, which I hate. Alienoid pretty much said what I was going to say in response to your first post. Its about getting your ducks in a row. You dont want to go into a battle without a gameplan, well unless youre a President of the US. So to me, and I'm no legal expert either, but think its perfectly reasonable to take 2 years to get evidence together in order to go into a lawsuit like this one. In terms of timing, I dont see why thats an issue at all. They are suing up until the time the WWE switched their initials, so its not like they are benefitting from waiting, or that the WWE is being hurt, its just for whatever reason they picked now as the time to go forward. I remember when this first story broke they were saying they would sue for millions, maybe hundreds of millions sometime down the line. So its not like the WWE didn't know it was coming, and I'm sure they've been taking the time to build a strong defence, just like WWF has been building their offence. Also, someone brought up 1963 or whatever, the lawsuit only dates back to when Vince signed the original agreement to stop using the name WWF outside the US. Which I believe was the early 90s (sorry I'm too lazy to look it up). So that would be when the damages could be seeked from. As for the rep thing, I didn't even know how that stuff worked until like a month or two ago. I'm glad people "respect" me here, but its more meaningful to hear people say something in my defence rather than having a bunch of annonymous dots under my name.

I agree 100% with you. Time isn't really an issue when you have the legal rights. Waiting is just a matter of when the WWF is ready to take the issue to court, and when they have actual precise documentation of damages, etc.