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Old 03-21-2005, 09:16 PM   #41
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Man, you're a real pissy person. Are you PMSing or something?

It wouldn't kill you to lighten up. Or at least respect other people's opinions without insulting them.
Wait, you're pissing and moaning about my atrtitude, and telling me to lighten up?

Sorry, too funny. You must crack up your Secial Ed Teachers.
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Old 03-21-2005, 09:17 PM   #42
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Thank you Vince. It's good to see you've made it to TPWW.net.



That really doesn't say much. It's like saying he's the most intelligent man in Alabama, it's pretty easy to do. WWE is arguably at it's lowest point ever in many aspects, and he's on top - big accomplishment. Lift him up and put him in a time when wrestling had a plethora of actual talent, and he'd be lost.
When you're desperate to explain your stance, this might just be the best he could come up with.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:06 PM   #43
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Thank you Vince. It's good to see you've made it to TPWW.net.

That really doesn't say much. It's like saying he's the most intelligent man in Alabama, it's pretty easy to do. WWE is arguably at it's lowest point ever in many aspects, and he's on top - big accomplishment. Lift him up and put him in a time when wrestling had a plethora of actual talent, and he'd be lost.
I'm guessing you're not a Bret Hart fan either. cause he was on top when business was really shitty
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:16 PM   #44
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Ok, look, everybody's just naming the people that they mark out for.
No, I don't think so. I was naming some great mic workers in the industry and if you haven't seen most of those guys before, then you have no credit in saying people are just naming people they mark out for.


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I'm just saying that HHH has a job to do every time he goes out to the ring or appear on tv and that's to make the audience hate him. And he gets the job done on the mic and in the ring.
Hmmm, well if doing your job means losing viewers while you talk, then HHH is doing an excellent job. Fact is his people tune out once HHH grabs the mic.



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He does his job so well that they're are people out there that log on to message boards and complain and make outrageous claims about HHH day in and day out. "HHH is champ because he married the boss's daughter!!!111!!!11!" or "HHH is holding the whole rest of the roster down. He' even holding down people on SD!" Sounds like he's doing his job to me and doing a damn good job of it if people are constantly talking about him and making excuses why he's the champion.
Love this one. Haven't heard this before NO, we don't make outrageous claims about HHH everyday here. Sometimes, YES, but everyday, NO. And I wouldn't call it outrageous when it's a FACT that HHH has been on top for almost 7 years now and for the last 3 years, business has been in the shitter. KNOW WHY? NO NEW STARS. The WWE is finally learning how to "make" guys the past couple of months.



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Anybody take a look at why Trips is the Champ on Raw right now? He is the champ because he's the best heel on Raw right now.
AHHH, the statement of a mark. Just because he has a "Prop" doesn't make him the best heel


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CRASHBURN]It's always better to have a heel as a champ because it makes viewers tune in to see if the good guy will be beat the bad guy who steals victories anyway he can. Who else on Raw are you going to have do it? Edge? Yeah, right. Ric Flair? [ b]Great past champ but even Flair understands the buisness needs to progress.[/b]
Pretty ironic statement there considering HHH hasn't understood that NO, VIEWERS DO NOT TUNE IN TO HHH. Buy a copy of the Observer or something and see for yourself.


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Kane? He's lost so many matches really nobody really takes him seriously.
Hey, no shit. There's HHH and the booking team for you.

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HHH is the best heel (including mic skills, ring ability, and ring psychology) on Raw right now and that's why he's the World Heavyweight Champ.
WTF have you been watching and how long have you been watching? Do you even know what pyschology is or are you just saying it because you've seen the word mentioned here before?

Wow, this is just a slap in the face to a lot of workers in the WWE right now.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:20 PM   #45
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I'm guessing you're not a Bret Hart fan either. cause he was on top when business was really shitty
Not really. Bret was one of the only draws at that time and made a ton of money around the world for them. And the WWE was actually on the rise again when he was champ. Business was shitty and down when a certain you know who was champion. When Bret got the Belt back, business started to improve.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:32 PM   #46
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I'm guessing you're not a Bret Hart fan either. cause he was on top when business was really shitty
Weak argument.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:38 PM   #47
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Thank you, LC, for proving my point. You state several times that "that's FACT" or "it's a fact" and when in actuallity it's just your opinion. You have no actual facts to back up your claims. Everything you said is your opinion. Just because your opinion matches up to some other people's opinion doesn't make it fact. You site the decline in business and funny how that coincides with the competition being eliminated and WWE ending the Attitude era and moving in the new "Family Wrestling Show" direction. Just because you flip channels when HHH is on doesn't mean everybody does, so that's hardly a fact. Look, I was just trying to express my opinion and didn't expect to get this kind of heat for it, and I have no desire to go round and round about this.

Btw I was speaking in a general term and not specifically talking about TPWW in regards to replying to my comment about people trashing HHH on message boards.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:44 PM   #48
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Weak argument.
You say it's a weak argument but it's the same thing LC had just said and that's what John La Rock was pointing out. Thank you for helping him prove his point.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:45 PM   #49
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Weak argument.
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Yea, I've got facts dude. It's called THE Observer, which breaks down segment by segment on which is garnering viewers. It will tell you if HHH lost viewers or gained viewers. Usually his segments LOSE VIEWERS. Would you like a copy the next time I get it? Then you can't talk bullshit on here anymore when you see my point. Agreed?
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Not really. Bret was one of the only draws at that time and made a ton of money around the world for them. And the WWE was actually on the rise again when he was champ. Business was shitty and down when a certain you know who was champion. When Bret got the Belt back, business started to improve.
well at the same time WCW was kicking their ass in the ratings
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:46 PM   #52
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When you're desperate to explain your stance, this might just be the best he could come up with.

It's a lot better than any of your weak crap you've thrown out there. All you've proved you can do is insult people.
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:49 PM   #53
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Yea, I've got facts dude. It's called THE Observer, which breaks down segment by segment on which is garnering viewers. It will tell you if HHH lost viewers or gained viewers. Usually his segments LOSE VIEWERS. Would you like a copy the next time I get it? Then you can't talk bullshit on here anymore when you see my point. Agreed?
You want me to believe some statistics in the Observer? Anybody that's been through any business classes can tell you statistics are easily manipulated. Man, you're really getting bent out of shape about somebody liking HHH stating their opinion on the boards. Why is it so important that you prove HHH sucks?
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:55 PM   #55
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You say it's a weak argument but it's the same thing LC had just said and that's what John La Rock was pointing out. Thank you for helping him prove his point.
No, it wasn't. He said that it didn't say much that Triple H was a current top heel worker, because it's a big fish/small pond syndrome.

Being on top currently means nothing. Bret's still looked up to, and not because he was "the best at the time," but because he was talent.

I'm glad you've dragged JLR into your mental retardation, and bundled this bullshit as "proof."
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:57 PM   #56
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It's a lot better than any of your weak crap you've thrown out there. All you've proved you can do is insult people.
Oh noes! I've been found out!
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:00 PM   #57
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You want me to believe some statistics in the Observer?
You want us to believe something because you SAY so? What's the diff?
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:03 PM   #58
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:17 PM   #59
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Forget it. I can't even get the guy to believe a legit and famous newsletter that's been around the wrestling business for over 20 years. Why would they make up those numbers? They're only selling to wrestling fans. It's not like there going to get a few extra buys claiming HHH lost 113,000(actual numer from newsletter) viewers during his match with Benoit.

Well you could say, well that's Benoit's fault right? Well HHH is champ. He's the best heel. He's the best on the mic. He's got the best pyschology. So if he's the best in everything, don't you think people would want to stay tuned in to see the BEST wrestle?
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:24 PM   #60
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Ok, look, everybody's just naming the people that they mark out for. I'm just saying that HHH has a job to do every time he goes out to the ring or appear on tv and that's to make the audience hate him. And he gets the job done on the mic and in the ring. He does his job so well that they're are people out there that log on to message boards and complain and make outrageous claims about HHH day in and day out. "HHH is champ because he married the boss's daughter!!!111!!!11!" or "HHH is holding the whole rest of the roster down. He' even holding down people on SD!" Sounds like he's doing his job to me and doing a damn good job of it if people are constantly talking about him and making excuses why he's the champion. Anybody take a look at why Trips is the Champ on Raw right now? He is the champ because he's the best heel on Raw right now. It's always better to have a heel as a champ because it makes viewers tune in to see if the good guy will be beat the bad guy who steals victories anyway he can. Who else on Raw are you going to have do it? Edge? Yeah, right. Ric Flair? Great past champ but even Flair understands the buisness needs to progress. Kane? He's lost so many matches really nobody really takes him seriously. Plus the last/only time he was champ was in like 1998, seven years ago. Christian? He's good and a heel champion in the making but his time isn't right now. He needs more build up. A heel Randy Orton? He might be able to get away with it but from I've read he wants to stay as a face and the fans are responding to him less and less. Who's left? Sylvan Granier? Rob Conway? Tomko? Snitzky? HHH is the best heel (including mic skills, ring ability, and ring psychology) on Raw right now and that's why he's the World Heavyweight Champ.
You have a very good point. Though he could be holding some people down, like Kane, HHH is the best there is right now.
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Well, he's definately better then Christian in every aspect. That's for sure.
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Forget it. I can't even get the guy to believe a legit and famous newsletter that's been around the wrestling business for over 20 years.

Relax, LC, I was only messing with you about the Observer. If you say that that's the info that they are reporting then I believe you. I realized the argument wasn't going anywhere so I thought I would have some fun with it. I just thought it was a little funny that you and KK jumped all over me for expressing my opinion of HHH. And for the record I'm an ex-mark of HHH. I use to really enjoy him during DX and his feud with the Rock. Now I think he's lost a step and yes even I am tired of him having the gold but I still don't think there's any other heel on Raw to put the belt on.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:04 AM   #63
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Nah, it's not the opinions I jump on. You can say he great yadda yadda yadda. Don't mind that. It's your opinion. Fine, I get that.

But when people make references about how he deserves to be on top and he's doing great business on top (You didn't actually say that, but I felt you were implying it), then I step in cause that's actually been proven wrong.

Opinions of wrestlers = Fine with me. I will never jump on anybody for that. I mean I like Orton and some people hate Orton. I'll dispute you on why Orton is good, but will never say anything like "You're a moron cause you don't like Orton."

OK Truce then.

I'm going to sleep.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:12 AM   #64
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Rock as good as he is on the mic is by no means the best. There are several that are better such as Jake Roberts and Mick Foley.

Also from a non wrestler stand point vince mcmahon and paul heyman are fantastic especially heymans promo on the smackdown before survivor series.
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Old 03-22-2005, 12:18 AM   #65
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Nah, it's not the opinions I jump on. You can say he great yadda yadda yadda. Don't mind that. It's your opinion. Fine, I get that.

But when people make references about how he deserves to be on top and he's doing great business on top (You didn't actually say that, but I felt you were implying it), then I step in cause that's actually been proven wrong.

Opinions of wrestlers = Fine with me. I will never jump on anybody for that. I mean I like Orton and some people hate Orton. I'll dispute you on why Orton is good, but will never say anything like "You're a moron cause you don't like Orton."

OK Truce then.

I'm going to sleep.
Don't you know that arguing makes you hitler, LC?
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Old 03-22-2005, 03:31 AM   #66
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I really don't see how anyone could NOT consider Rock the greatest mic worker of all time. BY FAR? I don't know. I think there have been some who have atleast approached him in the history of wrestling. (Gene Snitsky being the most notable of course.)
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Old 03-22-2005, 03:33 PM   #67
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The Rock is the best. Why? He can act as a perfect heel or a perfect face.

He also tries to increase his material.

Also gold are Chrsitian (Remember hwen he was ultra shit?)

JBL (Same could be said for him abliet he was a satan worshiper and a beer dring bounty hunter )

Jake The Snake (Best wrestling psychology ever. PERIOD.)
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Old 03-22-2005, 03:40 PM   #68
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I really don't see how anyone could NOT consider Rock the greatest mic worker of all time. BY FAR? I don't know. I think there have been some who have atleast approached him in the history of wrestling. (Gene Snitsky being the most notable of course.)
I just can't take you seriously with your last sentence there. Gene Snitsky? You name fucking Gene Snitsky....Gene fucking Snitsky as one guy who has approached the Rock in the HISTORY of wrestling pertaining to mic work. Are you serious? Just spit on about 1000 other guys why don't you. That might be the craziest comment I've heard on here in the last 2 years I've posted on TPWW. No offense..of course
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Old 03-22-2005, 04:33 PM   #69
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lol Snitsky...

what a minute. he's serious
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Old 03-22-2005, 05:24 PM   #70
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Why is it so important that you prove HHH sucks?
There's no need for us to prove anything - he just does!
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Old 03-22-2005, 05:25 PM   #71
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lol Snitsky...

what a minute. he's serious
Ahhh...I don't think so...
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Old 03-22-2005, 07:58 PM   #72
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I would rather listen to The Rock cut a promo more than anyone else by far. He always got the crowd into it, and most of his stuff was improv. That's why he's the best IMHO.
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Old 03-22-2005, 08:35 PM   #73
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Jake Roberts
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Period
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Old 03-22-2005, 09:15 PM   #74
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When it comes to mic skills, Rock is the man on the poster.

Many superstars have had awesome mic skills: Austin, Hogan, etc... but nobody had a crowd in the palm of his hands during a promo like The Rock. He had countless catchphrases, quips, and poses, and the fans knew everyone of them. It's not often you can get damn near every person in the arena to shout out a phrase in unison like they are singing.

With that said, it's a shame The Rock was never fully embraced as a cult-like hero. The fans would NEVER turn on Austin. They NEVER turned on Hogan. But for some reason, they would get funny on The Rock, like they did several times throughout his career by chanting "rocky sucks", even when he was a face.

But when it came to working the mic, I don't think anyone has surpassed Rock.
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Old 03-22-2005, 10:26 PM   #75
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They NEVER turned on Hogan.
Fans turned on Hogan in WCW when he first joined NWO. The crowd even was throwing things at him too.


The Rock is number 1 on my list, but to say he miles above everybody on the mic might be an over statment. Austin, Kurt Angle, Foley, Flair, and Hogan are way up there too.

Also I think Bischoff is really good to on the mic does anyone else agree with me on that? Or do people here just think that he really isn't anything special?
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Old 03-22-2005, 10:29 PM   #76
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LOL, never turned on Hogan? Obviously you didn't watch WCW 1995 and even early 90's WWF they began turn on him a little.
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Old 03-22-2005, 10:37 PM   #77
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