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Old 10-26-2005, 08:20 PM   #41
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This whole clusterfuck is all an accident though. Nash WAS supposed to go over Jarrett at Bound For Glory and then feud with Raven over the title. Which woulda been cool, but because of Nash's heart attack, they had to rewrite a ton of shit and now Raven's storyline is that he's been barred from the arena. Still I could've come up with a MUCH BETTER rewrite than what they ended up going with. Just have Brown win the Battle Royal, beat Jarrett, and replace Nash with him vs. Raven. Fuck what bunch of idiots.
Heard JJ was supposed to retain and Nash would feud with Raven, but not for the belt.
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:06 PM   #42
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Heard JJ was supposed to retain and Nash would feud with Raven, but not for the belt.
Cue Brown for the championship, which is what they seemed to be beuilding to.
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:08 PM   #43
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Well at least we know he's gonna hunt against Jarret.
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:09 PM   #44
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Cue Brown for the championship, which is what they seemed to be beuilding to.
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Old 10-26-2005, 09:26 PM   #45
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And then...The...POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooounce-uh...

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During that BFG thread, everyone who bitched about Rhino winning was basically trying to make the point that he wasn't a legit contender. And that really, the only thing that could make it worse would be to hotshot the belt back onto JJ; basically admitting their own mistake and making their "BIGGEST PPV EVENT EVER" pretty much meaningless,

Bobby Goulet said it best:

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That being said, based on the spoilers and the reviews I read on pwinsider, I'm excited to watch the show. Some quality matches on there and the X-Division matches sound outstanding. I have a feeling that I'll watch TNA the way I watched Nitro: tune in to the early undercard because it10X better than anything the WWE is doing, then tune out when the main-eventers come out, because its 10X worse.

NOTE: I reserve the right to take all of this back should Monty Brown win the belt and actually get a big push. I feel like Tina Turner...I just can't help loving that crazy black man.
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:04 PM   #47
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well i like the x belt better anyway, this is kind of like the old wcw where hogan had the world belt or one of his friends while all the good matches were for the tv US or cruiserweight belts.
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Old 10-26-2005, 11:10 PM   #48
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WCW in 2000 wasn't this shitty. It was pretty shitty, but this is a level even WCW couldn't accomplish.
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Old 10-27-2005, 01:06 AM   #49
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lmfao Fucking pathetic. Jarrett is halfway to Triple H's 10 title wins. I'm glad this bullshit doesn't air live because and that it has spoilers. Oh and Fox, go back to your mindless drones at the TalkTNA forums. Us over here know when something completely sucks.
First things first: suck my dick until you know what you're talking about. Maybe my seminal fluids can transmit some sort of logic from my brain to yours - although it's really, really doubtful.

Second, I have never been to the TalkTNA forums, and in fact, do not know what that is. I assume it's in reference to the forums on the TNA website, but like I said, I don't know (and am too lazy to confirm).

Third, how do you know it sucks? You haven't even SEEN the show yet. You read about it in spoilers: big fucking deal. For all we know, Rhino could come off as Hulk Fucking Hogan in his main event match. It's unlikely, but like I said, you don't know because you haven't seen it yet.
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Old 10-27-2005, 01:14 AM   #50
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You seriosuly make like no sense. First you keep mentioning he's a main event player, but then you knock him out of the main events to feud with someone else. If he's such a main event player, why not keep him in there instead of saying "ok, you had your shot, you blew it and now you're being demoted.

Rhino got beat just like everyone else loses to Jarett. Nothing that's gonna make him any special. Well he did get beat quicker then anyone else, so I guess that makes him stand out.
Re-read my post. If you do, you will find that not once do I call Rhino a "main event player."

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Bullshit.

This was what they had to do. Rhino, as you said repeatedly in the Bound for Glory thread, is not ready for the NWA World Title; however, he was OVER enough to have a relatively emotional win at the end of the PPV, and then lose the title back to Jarrett in a World TItle match on primetime Spike TV.

Rhino has the match won, but the referee is out. AWM come down and put him through a table with their finisher to get Jarrett the victory. Not only does this sound like an entertaining main event, but it gets Rhino credibility, and makes him look more like a main event player.

Jarrett is now free to feud with another more deserving worker, while Rhino goes into a new program to continue his way towards the main event. I wouldn't mind seeing a Rhino/Monty Brown feud.
In fact, I state repeatedly that he was NOT ready to be the World Champion and was NOT ready to carry the company. All I stated is that he is over enough to have an emotional title win at BFG, which he did. Much like Rey Mysterio, Christian, or Booker T currently in the WWE - they could be hotshotted the title and the fans would enjoy it - but they're probably not ready to be champion for the long run.

Being a main event player has nothing to do with being in the main event ALL THE TIME. Look at Kurt Angle, Kane, Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, The Undertaker and Randy Orton: all are former World Champions, all have the ability and credibility to main event a PPV, but that doesn't mean they do it all the time.

It simply means that they have face value in the company, and any lower-card feud that they partake in will only be that much better because of that face value.

This is what they have done for Rhino. He is now a former NWA World Champion, who won the title against all odds, and lost the title thanks to help from Jarrett's cronies. You can't try and say that this makes him look weaker than he was before BFG, because that would be bullshit, and there would be no logical reasoning to support that.

He can now feud with someone else and MAKE HIS WAY toward the main event again.


Still sore over the BFG thread? Aww.
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Old 10-27-2005, 01:44 AM   #51
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Dude, first of all, stop acting like a child and telling people to suck your dick. You're like 20 years old or something. Chill out.

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Re-read my post. If you do, you will find that not once do I call Rhino a "main event player."

In fact, I state repeatedly that he was NOT ready to be the World Champion and was NOT ready to carry the company. All I stated is that he is over enough to have an emotional title win at BFG, which he did. Much like Rey Mysterio, Christian, or Booker T currently in the WWE - they could be hotshotted the title and the fans would enjoy it - but they're probably not ready to be champion for the long run.
Makes him "look like a main event player" sounds to me like you're calling him a main event player. I don't know how else to take that.

I don't know what being over enough to have an emotional Title win is. You just make that up or something? It's just a piss poor excuse for hot shotting the Title to please the crowd on hand. Short Term Pops for fans does not = Long Term Sucess. Of course the fucking fans would enjoy it at the show. Who wouldn't? That's a really dumb example and it's not smart to do shit like that because it takes away VALUE from the Title. The WWE has NEVER EVER EVER put the Title on a mid-carder that wasn't over to the mass audience out of nowhere. And it's been working fine for them so far



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Being a main event player has nothing to do with being in the main event ALL THE TIME. Look at Kurt Angle, Kane, Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit, The Undertaker and Randy Orton: all are former World Champions, all have the ability and credibility to main event a PPV, but that doesn't mean they do it all the time.

It simply means that they have face value in the company, and any lower-card feud that they partake in will only be that much better because of that face value.
LOL @ you comparing Credible, Drawing, Built Up, WWE guys to Rhino. A guy that's never been a draw in his life, that's never been a top star for a big promotion (and I swear if you call ECW a big promotion, especially when nobody was watching in 99 ) and has never been seen as a credible worker in the minds of the mass wrestling audience one time.

Hell TNA didn't even have enough faith in the guy to keep the Title on him for even three weeks.

Those WWE guys have been seen at the top by millions of fans, fans have seen them in the Four Horsemen, w/ The Radicals, w/ Evolution, w/ the nWo. All groups that were booked strongly and with other credible workers. Those guys have been in the spotlight many times on a national level. They've feuded and beaten top guys, they've won various Titles from WWE and WCW, they played major parts in angles from WWE and WCW and they've been doing that consistently for the longest time. Maybe not Orton, but he's definatelt heading that way

Yea. those WWE guys have face value to a company, but a guy that was nothing to begin with and is nothing once again, aka Rhino, really doesn't have that face value, does he? And that's not his fault. It's just that TNA has nobody that could actually give any wrestler any sort of face value.


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This is what they have done for Rhino. He is now a former NWA World Champion, who won the title against all odds, and lost the title thanks to help from Jarrett's cronies. You can't try and say that this makes him look weaker than he was before BFG, because that would be bullshit, and there would be no logical reasoning to support that.

He can now feud with someone else and MAKE HIS WAY toward the main event again.
Logical Reasoning says he Lost the Title just like everybody else lost the Title to Jarrett. Don't you see what TNA has done with the Belt. In order to "beat" Jarret and look "credible," you not only have to overcome Jarrett, but you also have to overcome anybody that's siding with JJ at the time. It's happened time and time again and so far, nobody has been able to do it.

Wouldn't winning the Title "against all odds" mean that you overcame all odds in the Title match? He overcame Jarrett, but when the "odds" got stacked against him at the TNA Special, he sure didn't overcome them. To bad for TNA, cause they might of redeemed themselves if they booked it like that


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What?
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Old 10-27-2005, 04:49 PM   #52
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I think he's implying that you said something that made you seem very sore during the Bound For Glory Pay Per View. Thus he belives he "owned" you at something.

Or he's actually coming on to you. Take your pick.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:31 PM   #53
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i am aust glad they have a prime time slot on thur nov 3rd i wonder if there raitings will be as high as smackdowns i hope so.
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Old 10-27-2005, 05:46 PM   #54
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I somehow doubt they'll do as well as Smackdown.

Smackdown is crap, but it's established crap.

TNA is unknown crap.
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Old 10-27-2005, 06:20 PM   #55
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TNA isn't crap. It's pretty sad that people here overshadow all the good wrestling matches and shit all over the product just because someone they don't like is champion. But then again I hardly expected anything but negativity.
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problem is they go against csi but i think it will do good people like new crap.
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I somehow doubt they'll do as well as Smackdown.

Smackdown is crap, but it's established crap.

TNA is unknown crap.
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TNA isn't crap. It's pretty sad that people here overshadow all the good wrestling matches and shit all over the product just because someone they don't like is champion. But then again I hardly expected anything but negativity.


Irony is ironic sometimes.

Anyway, give me a single TNA card where I care about more than half the matches. I will happily endorse them as something other than crap. 'Til then, you might as well be telling me that "Dick and Jane" isn't children's reading.
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problem is they go against csi but i think it will do good people like new crap.
If wrestling was popular, then it might do good.

Wrestling isn't cool though.
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Dude, first of all, stop acting like a child and telling people to suck your dick. You're like 20 years old or something. Chill out.



Makes him "look like a main event player" sounds to me like you're calling him a main event player. I don't know how else to take that.

I don't know what being over enough to have an emotional Title win is. You just make that up or something? It's just a piss poor excuse for hot shotting the Title to please the crowd on hand. Short Term Pops for fans does not = Long Term Sucess. Of course the fucking fans would enjoy it at the show. Who wouldn't? That's a really dumb example and it's not smart to do shit like that because it takes away VALUE from the Title. The WWE has NEVER EVER EVER put the Title on a mid-carder that wasn't over to the mass audience out of nowhere. And it's been working fine for them so far

Yeah, because JBL was such an over main event heel at the time.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:20 PM   #62
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Blah, Smackdown Title wasn't really their main Title at the time, but,

JBL was in the middle of controversy with the media. Vince McMahon saw the ATTENTION he was getting outside the WWE and decided to play off it. The character of Bradshaw had been pretty over, along with Farooq, as part of the APA. Crowd loved them every week the appeared. He got a string of strong wins against some of the WWE's top guys. So you knew he had a pretty dam good chance of taking the Title off Guerrero at the PPV. The match was built up, so it wasn't like JBL walked in Sunday Night and won the Title.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:22 PM   #63
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Seemed more like it to me. That would be like Gregory Helms winning the title now, and you arguing he was massively over as the Hurricane and picked up a few big victories against HHH.

Yeah, it may be true, but it's still not enough to remove him from midcard status in the casuals' eyes.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:28 PM   #64
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In fact, come to think of it..it's almost the exact same.

Let's just say Greg Helms picked up some victories over..say..HBK and Flair. And then won the title at the next PPV.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:29 PM   #65
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Same as what?
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:33 PM   #66
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Just think if Greg Helms got a major sudden push to the moon, how much different would it be than JBL?
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We're going way off track from the subject here.
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Everyone who gets the Title gets a major push to the moon. So it wouldn't be no different from anyone.

Also remember, JBL could cut a great promo and that got him over too. And Smackdown really had no major heels at the time and they were desperate for a guy who could carry that brand. And he actually did fairly good for the show hw was on. The numbers jumped up a little mid reign-end reign
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Just think if Greg Helms got a major sudden push to the moon, how much different would it be than JBL?
And ironically, still better than Rhino as placeholder.
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Old 10-27-2005, 11:38 PM   #70
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Everyone who gets the Title gets a major push to the moon. So it wouldn't be no different from anyone.

Also remember, JBL could cut a great promo and that got him over too. And Smackdown really had no major heels at the time and they were desperate for a guy who could carry that brand. And he actually did fairly good for the show hw was on. The numbers jumped up a little mid reign-end reign
Yeah, but you also have to figure. There was no jump for many of feuds except for the one against Cena.

I'm not saying anything bad about JBL though.
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WCW in 2000 wasn't this shitty. It was pretty shitty, but this is a level even WCW couldn't accomplish.
All TNA needs is some B-movie celeb for them to make as their World Champ and they are EXACTLY like WCW in 2000
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They need a few more knockoff characters too.

Where'd Amazing Red go?
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