This Cena bashing is getting cruel...

[Loose Cannon]

hey, would be hillarious if they sent MNM to Raw and put them and Chris Masters in a stable with Pretty boy John Cena. Hollywood Enterprise

[The Naitch]

The real Cena will emerge soon enough. I am a huge Rock fan but back in 2001/2002 I started to hate his schtick and cringed at most of his promos. Then in 2003, I had died and gone to heaven

[The Naitch]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon hey, would be hillarious if they sent MNM to Raw and put them and Chris Masters in a stable with Pretty boy John Cena. Hollywood Enterprise

nah, Cena shouldn't be in a stable

If he was, I'd rather see Cena with 3 Minute Warning

[The Naitch]

I wonder if they'll ever have him do the Prototype thing again?

[Kane Knight]

I'm not going to read all the replies. I just want to say one thing. My hatred for Cena is hatred for the man onscreen, not off. Most fans probably don't differentiate the two, even though they know wrestling is fake. I do, most "smarks" do and can love JBL even though the guy playing him sucks.

HE gets a lot of undue heat, but he's in a leadership position hmself and could do more, to be honest. He's a team player, and it's a shame he gets shit for that, but this is how wrestling works.

[JiM PolPot v.W.o.]

This is wrestling you are talking about.

If a wrestler can't handle being booed, then he shouldn't be in the fucking business.

Agreed on the point that the writers are terrible.

[Rob]

When you are the WWE champion, you have creative pull. Cena can't blame the writers. Aside from his wrestling ability (unfortunately), he is doing absolutely nothing the same to what he did to get over in the first place. I saw this heading downhill at Mania 20 when he was in the ring marking like a bitch because he was getting a MSG pop. He has never been the same since. No spark, no edge, no snap. He is just stale.

[Drakul]

Originally Posted by Hired Hitman There is always an Extreme in Wrestling which I think hurts it sometimes, Wrestlers are either Super Face or Super Heel, Why can't they have Facish Qualities while being a Heel? It adds Character...

yeah I've always thought that. I used to always saif I had a wrestling show I'd have no clear face or heel. I'd go for a sort of "depending on how you look at the situation" type thing. Like one guy may think Wrestler A is a face for doing what he is doing but another guy may think he is a heel for doing what he is doing.

[94 SVT Cobra]

If i was cena i wouldnt let the boos bother me personally, just deal with it. He has fans, they cheer him, just not as much as hed like them too. If i was him id be worried about which ferrari/mansion to buy, not why the fans dont like me, beacuse its obvious why they dont.

[KillerWolf]

i was watching RAW last week and i got the sense that the crowd wasnt booing John Cena, necessarilly, but the state of wrestling, and the state of John Cena's character. it's almost as if the fans are getting smarter. or maybe its just that the masses are about a year or two behind us smart fans that post on this fine forum .

but it speaks to the over-ridding problem of character development and the creative staff. that is, basically, everything the wwe does reeks of desparation. desparation to get back the magic that it once had. Vince doesnt realize that the magic was not in the ratings. the ratings were there because they had a sense of direction back then [attitude era]. now wwe is so desparate to find a superstar with mass market appeal (the next Rock) that anytime they have a breakout character (which is what John Cena was) they immediately turn him face, sugar coat him, and shove him down our throats - and maybe have him cut an album. John Cena is just the very embodiment of this trend, and that is why he is being booed. the fans are IMO not booing John Cena, they're booing the wwe.

[Mr. Nerfect]

I almost feel bad. I was oneof the first guys to say "Cena shouldn't be the main guy", but I have never said the guy sucks.

Cena can wrestle. See him in his OVW days, or his early WWE days and you have your evidence. It's just his current moveset lacks any depth. The worst thing about it is that Cena's simple moveset looks cheesy and uneffective. His punches look like an extra in The Ringer's and his shoulder block doesn't look like it could knock one of the kids who cheer Cena down. The F-U is a pathetic finishing move, and I am just waiting for one of the commentators to shoot on it calling it an "elevated fireman's carry slam". The STFU is a great move for Cena, as it highlights his wrestling skill, and it allows him to show some believable passion, but the way he executes it has been "Cena'd" and now it looks pathetically tacky.

This is not Cena's fault. Management has toned Cena down and told him to basically act shit in the ring. People have become ignorant to the fact Cena can wrestle, and it is hurting him in the long run, because even if he has a good match these days, people see him as being carried. Even I was thinking "Jericho's saving this thing" at Summerslam 2005. Cena is far too young to be toned down. He might actually forget how to have a good match.

That brings me to the next point, his character. Anyone who thinks gay and poop jokes are the way to get Cena over is a fucking moron. The same goes for anyone who thinks a white guy from the Boston area coming out, trying to be passed off as being cool, saying something very roughly like "I never give up! I fight until the end!" is an effective way to get a guy over as a face in this day and age. If Cena wrote his own material, and cut his own promos, hitting the points he wanted to hit, and styling the feuds he took part in, it would be seem whether or not he was the guy to be in the top position. In my honest opinion, Cena has not even had a shot to determine whether or not he can carry the company, because he has been a tool of the writers for some time now.

Next I want to mention how much I hate the special treatment he gets. I hate the way they wait several seconds for his entrance theme to play, trying to build "drama" for "the star of the show's appearance". I hate the way the commentators mention his popularity. I hate the way Jonathan Coachman got in trouble for bringing up duelling chants (which were as equally for Cena as they were for Angle) during a John Cena vs. Kurt Angle match. I almost spat out my drink one night when Cena was about to come out with his drawn out entrance and Joey Styles was like "the place is about to become unglued for the WWE Champion..." and then he got about a third of the audience cheering, a third just clapping and a third booing their asses off. It frustrates me that there is some kind of veil covering Cena's popularity, and the WWE won't even let their HEEL commentators mention it. Isn't Cena supposed to be real recognising real? Let him recognise the reactions he gets.

I fear that it may be too late for Cena's reign. I fear that if the WWE keeps the belt on him, people will tune out. And while having him go a further distance as Champion could be interesting in the long run, It might do more damage to Cena than good. Cena can't wrestle a good match in some people's eyes, and even though that is not true, it is being solidified as fact to the point where I don't think some people don't care if he can, it's just so fun to accept that statement.

I am going to say this one more time...I think Cena needs to lose the WWE Championship at New Year's Revolution. If don't think Cena should main event WrestleMania again. It may seem like a waste of the last year, but I think Cena should have an "establishment match" on the undercard. John Cena vs. The Rock? I can see that being good.

Another point (I'm ranting, I know) worth mentioning is that the WWE hasn't established their talent correctly in the past. The WWE Championship was kept away from Chris Jericho for so long that when he finally became WWE Champion, no one cared. Kurt Angle was always made to look a tier below Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock & Triple H, so when he was a top face, no one bought it. Angle beat Hulk Hogan at one stage, but no one cared at the time. I really think Angle's win over Shawn Michaels at WrestleMania 21 has done wonders for him.

Anyway, my point is, the WWE let guys like Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock get away without creating stars in their way out. They were top guys until their final day, and I really think it would benefit the way the WWE can market their top guys if The Rock came back and lost cleanly to John Cena or cleanly to Randy Orton. It's not helping that the WWE's only other top superstars from the past generation, The Undertaker and Triple H (I honestly consider Shawn Michaels a rung below these guys, personally) are constantly going over guys. Granted, I can understand that with Triple H, he is still a full-timer, and he has done a lot of jobs in the past. The Undertaker, however, has beaten Randy Orton in their feud. He won where it really mattered, in the beginning and the end. It's almost sad that the WWE still sees more money in The Undertaker than they do one of their future superstars, who they are trying to push to the moon.

The WWE's poor decisions in the past regarding their top circle of talent has left us with a future of superstars that can't "live off the legends" so to speak, and instead have to pave their own way, which is made exceedingly difficult by the WWE's constant censorship and editting of their characters. I maintain the belief that John Cena and Randy Orton should still be competing for the WWE Intercontinental Championship and WWE United States Championship respectively. They have been pushed to the moon with no backstage pull to control their characters' developments, too young to stand up for themselves and it is all because the WWE couldn't have their hat on Chris Jericho or Chris Benoit because they lost so much to the previous ring of top guys.

So all in all, this is the WWE's fault. They push guys as the second coming, despite not giving us any evidence other than their "popularity" which often dies down when people realise that. Believe it or not, I think marks are more away of the support Cena is getting from management, and how there is a veil protecting his image. The WWE either needs to ditch the veil, or have another guy stand in the spotlight.

It is really a shame, because Cena is a great performer and a great guy. The WWE can't blame this on Cena, only on their impulse to act on a hot character by taking out the hot and replacing it with "overrated". Everything Cena does or says is exaggerated by the WWE, and we have no reason to accept these exaggerations other than we are told to. It's like seeing a movie with plot-holes and being told that what we are seeing makes more sense than any other well made film.

[Nark Order]

I thought that the whole reason that they moved him to RAW was so he could be more like himself and so his "I don't care about anybody" gimmick could continue without UPN putting the sting on them? They were sort of going that direction the day he debuted when he took it to Christian and Goatboy but it all went downhill from there. If they would've had him continue with th rebeliousness and the diss raps, I think it could've actually worked out. It's too late now though.

[Russenmafia]

Cena's character is what is killing him. Guys with limited movesets can get over (ie JBL). I mean calling the STF the STFU makes my blood boil, its so lame.

[McLegend]

Yeah it has nothing to do with his wrestling abilty it's all his character. The Whitemeat baby face died the day Hogan turned heel.

[Pinnacle Charisma]

Originally Posted by snakeboss . John Cena is just doing what he's told, he tries his best to be entertaining, it'a the writers who've made him keep the belt this long, it's the writers who now write his raps, it's the writers that made him WWE champion when they knew he had a limited move set. Look, let's face it, Vince McMahon wants Cena as champion, Cena's going to stay champion. Just imagine if you were Cena and you come out to promote a really dangerous match you're going to be in, and they boo you because your boss wants you as champion. I really think the fans need to give Cena a break, I know they want to make a point, that they want a new champion, but it's obvious Vince couldn't care less about the fans. (see Tim White's second suicide) I think people need to give Cena a break...

Fuck off that is crap. I know it may be hard for some noobs to understand but not everything that is crap with the wwe is entirely Vince and the creative teams fault sometime it’s the talents fault.

A big reason why John Cena is getting booed is because John Cena has performed at a satisfactory level. Ill give you a few examples of why Cena is partially responsible for the boos he is getting.

Most fans agree that one of the reasons Cena has lost his popularity is that he is a shit wrestler. Cast your minds back to 2004 there was reports that Cena was getting heat backstage because he never turned up to smackdown wrestling classes held by Angle and Undertaker. Although it was not compulsory management strongily advised him to but he didn’t partly coz he was over and at the stage and didn’t feel like he needed it. Cena also continues to be lazy on the mic and the ring. He says the same crap and I know the wwe book it but surely Cena can go up to the writers and say what he wants to say. He is the champion im sure he can has some leeway with the writers but no because Cena has been laconic since he won the us title.

Cena has always been lazy in the ring. I have a lot of examples but one that pops up in my mind was when he was fueding with Angle and Tomko was fighting Cena. The commentators made a big deal about Cena having the affects of a concussion by Angle earlier on. Pity Cena completely forgot to sell the affects of a concussion.

Let me state the booking of Cena has been horrible and unimaginative but its not the primary reason Cena is not over anymore. He may be a great guy off screen, friendly, polite etc etc but it doesn’t hide that the fact that he is too soft to stand up to the writers and take control of his future. I hope that the fans keep booing the shit out of Cena and hopefully Cena will take notice stop being a sooky little bitch and step up and make a decent champion out of himself

[FourFifty]

As a fan I'm going to bash who ever in the hell I want to for what ever reasons sound good to me. I don't like Cena, and if I were at an event where I could cheer or boo him, I would boo him.
I'm sure as a person he's a good guy. If I saw him on the street I'd be thrilled and hope to at least say hi to him. However, the John Cena gimmick is what I don't I like. He was better as a heel and I'd cream myself if he stopped making gay and poop jokes, went back to freestyling instead of talking about the chain gang, and turned heel.

[Shadow]

Originally Posted by Rob When you are the WWE champion, you have creative pull. Cena can't blame the writers. Aside from his wrestling ability (unfortunately), he is doing absolutely nothing the same to what he did to get over in the first place. I saw this heading downhill at Mania 20 when he was in the ring marking like a bitch because he was getting a MSG pop. He has never been the same since. No spark, no edge, no snap. He is just stale.

How old is Cena? 25ish? He's a very young man. Would you try to throw some ideas to a writing team, as inept as they are, when you've been given the one thing alot of people would kill to have? No. Cena, outside the ring, is a very humble and courtous young man. He belives the people on the writing team are his betters and know more than him so he'll go along with whatever the hell they think is best for him.

[Deceit]

I hope in some way this turns out to be somewhat like the Rock's heel turn that made him into a star. It might be far fetched, but if they turn him heel correctly after all of this happening, Cena could get huge.

[addy2hotty]

I used to be a Cena mark, but with all the merchandise and the continual stream of T-Shirts and jewellery, I think the (older) fans are looking at him in the same sense that they do at a music star who does the same. A sell-out. Kids and women love him of course, but the older/majority fanbase do not, and thats because their ability to see a wrestler's standard is slightly less tinted.

Angle is one of the best ever, and the fans know that. They know that Cena going over Angle again and again and again is not particularly realistic, and not only that, this reign has got incredibly boring due to the poor feud with Angle.

Many used to see Cena as the natural successor to The Rock, but seriously, the guy has half the charisma, half the ability in the ring (and thats saying something) and just doesn't have that LOOK, well to me anyway.

People knew that 'The Rock' was Dwayne Johnson cut loose. People know that Cena is no rapper, he doesn't come from the 'Mean Streets' of West Newbury, Mass. like he seems to say he does, and despite what he might say in his songs etc, it seems particularly unbelievable that he's always been a rapper.

Cena's gimmick is killing him with the audience, I say take the rapping away, turn him heel and let him say something reasonably close to what HE'D really say in his promos. Keep 'You Cant See Me' if you have to, but drop some of these crap moves like the Five Knuckle Shuffle (which is god awful, and looks even less effective than the Peoples Elbow) and the STFU. Cena is no submission wrestler, he's a brawler - book him that way for godsake.

Cena will be champ until this film he's in flops badly. Then I can see him slumping down the mid-card into Benoit/Jericho territory.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by Shadow How old is Cena? 25ish? He's a very young man. Would you try to throw some ideas to a writing team, as inept as they are, when you've been given the one thing alot of people would kill to have? No. Cena, outside the ring, is a very humble and courtous young man. He belives the people on the writing team are his betters and know more than him so he'll go along with whatever the hell they think is best for him.

To be fair, he still has some room with which to work.

Humble or not, he has knowledge of the problem and the abillity to take some initiaitve.