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Old 04-03-2006, 08:02 PM   #41
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RVD and Rey were tag team champs before RVD got injured. RVD returns at the Rumble and him and Rey team up with one another. Rey inadvertantly eliminates RVD from the Rumble. Rey goes on to win the Rumble, and then win the title at WM. RVD wins an open MITB contract for a title shot of his choice.. .
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Old 04-03-2006, 10:27 PM   #42
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Everybody says he has it all, but Vince is holding him back and toning him down.
Be fair, even in his earlier days on Smackdown he showed off more than 5 moves. Hell, even in his more rercent days, he had the Throwback in his arsenal, and that was fucking sweet.

He can be a solid worker, but the major point is he isn't. I don't care if it's Vince, Cena, the ghost of Eddie, JEsus, or Hitler's alien clone-lovechild holding him down...For whatever reason, he kinda...Well, sucks.
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Old 04-04-2006, 12:57 AM   #43
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According to John Cena, much of the toning down was his doing (Including not rapping anymore). He's not really busting his ass if he's only giving it the "Calloway try" (Made famous for Undertaker turning into a redneck biker because Mark didn't want to actually entertain the fans anymore).

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Oh? Out of curiousity, when was this said?
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Old 04-04-2006, 03:11 AM   #44
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Oh? Out of curiousity, when was this said?
It was some interview recently. John Cena just cut his last threads with a lot of wrestling fans by saying that. Cena has shown talent when he needs to, and most of us simply believed the WWE tried to turn him into a safer thug-type character and started writing all his scripts for him, etc. We gave Cena the benefit of the doubt, and now he's gone and shattered that.

The WWE missed a potential mark out moment by not having RVD come down and win the WWE Title to close the show. Speaking of RVD and John Cena, now that both men are 3-0, I would love to see them join The Undertaker and Edge in a Fatal Fourway "One Streak Remains" Match at WrestleMania 23. That would be sweet. Plus, assuming RVD wins the WWE Title by then, it would have four former WWE Champions going at it. That match could pop the buyrate.
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Old 04-04-2006, 10:00 AM   #45
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Oh? Out of curiousity, when was this said?
IT's been posted both in this forum and in the headlines forum, so go take a look.

He's also said that he's not going to pander to the fans who are booing him.

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It was some interview recently. John Cena just cut his last threads with a lot of wrestling fans by saying that. Cena has shown talent when he needs to, and most of us simply believed the WWE tried to turn him into a safer thug-type character and started writing all his scripts for him, etc. We gave Cena the benefit of the doubt, and now he's gone and shattered that.
Yeah. Pretty much he's delivered an F-U to any fan who was still holding out any hope of him improving again. I've defended Cena for over a year, because he clearly CAN be better, but now I just can't.

He's only where he's at because he showed a lot of promise, a lot of talent, and now, there's no reason to give a shit about him.
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Old 04-04-2006, 02:37 PM   #46
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C'mon JamesSteele, Hogan might be bad, but even you have got to admit he isn't CENA bad.

Back to the topic at hand, I don't think RAW has been to bad lately. Every week, I get to watch John Cena get booed by thousands of people, even when he gets the upset win. Especially when he gets the upset win. And if he doesn't win, then its fun to watch him bleed, and place bets on how much he bleeds. You just wanna tune in each week to see how close he is to going completely insane.
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Old 04-04-2006, 02:52 PM   #47
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Yeah. Pretty much he's delivered an F-U to any fan who was still holding out any hope of him improving again. I've defended Cena for over a year, because he clearly CAN be better, but now I just can't.

He's only where he's at because he showed a lot of promise, a lot of talent, and now, there's no reason to give a shit about him.
Well, it's official. Cena will be sent to Smackdown to join the lazy Cruiserweight division.

What a bitch. Cena gets over as a character who raps, then releases a rap album that thousands of fans spend their hard earned money on......then, says FUCK YOU I'm not doing it anymore. Is that the loyalty he's trying to claim as "real" now? Any Cena fan out there who buys that new shirt should be slapped in the face with a giant black dildo.
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Old 04-04-2006, 03:14 PM   #48
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Fan- Why don't you rap anymore Cena?

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Old 04-04-2006, 04:16 PM   #50
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Old 04-04-2006, 05:25 PM   #53
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IT's been posted both in this forum and in the headlines forum, so go take a look.

He's also said that he's not going to pander to the fans who are booing him.
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I'm ususally not such a lazy piec eof shit, but I did a search on the headlines board and couldn't find it. Could someone link me, please?
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Just so everyone is clear, Cena isn't botching an STF when he performs the STFU, he's performing a poor looking STS.
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Old 04-04-2006, 06:07 PM   #55
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Old 04-04-2006, 06:21 PM   #57
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I'm ususally not such a lazy piec eof shit, but I did a search on the headlines board and couldn't find it. Could someone link me, please?

If TPWW wasn't being slower than Eugene in a spelling bee, I'd probably have it for you. As it is, I'm waiting for the GODDAMN forum to load.

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alright, here's the thread with the article on Cena rapping...

http://tpww.net/forums/showthread.php?t=44090
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Old 04-04-2006, 06:23 PM   #58
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It also solidly reinforced his hip-hop gimmick, although Cena maintains he has been deliberately trying to downplay that side of his ring character over the past several months.
"I specifically wanted to stop rapping every week on TV. I wanted to stop wearing the jersey every week and start wearing my own merchandise. The only real hip-hop, real urban feel that I have about my swagger is the fact that I wear Reebok sneakers and baggy jean shorts. The rest of what you see is John Cena. I'm a ballcap, T-shirt-wearing type of dude who tells it like it is. I've had my (butt) kicked before, but I've never said no to a fight. Through the long way, and that's just the way WWE works, I had to really go heavy hip hop and heavy urban. Don't get me wrong. I love hip-hop music. But it's not 100 percent of my focus. I love sports entertainment just as much as hip hop. But first and foremost, I want to be remembered as a professional wrestler, not a rapper."
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Old 04-04-2006, 06:24 PM   #59
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This one's just totally LOL

"I create all my own merchandise, and I try to get across the concept of what I am going through at that point and time. My latest T-shirt says 'Hustle, Loyalty, Respect.' That's telling those people who hate me that I don't care if you buy the shirt, because the people who buy it and are going to wear it with pride are the people who knew me as Prototype and knew me from way back when. As long as you have something that you can hold on to, people will attach themselves to that."


BEcause anyone who followed him as the Prototype is buying his weak ass wigger shit.
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I don't know whether Cena is officially trying to turn heel in the eyes of the targetted demographic, or if he truly believes what he is saying.

John, Prototype wrestled. Prototype got us behind him when he was facing Kurt Angle. Prototype had all the potential in the world. When you first became "The Dr" we cheered you. We liked you, and then we thought the WWE fucked you up, then you come out and say you fucked yourself up.

It's really hard to respect that man right now...
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I don't know whether Cena is officially trying to turn heel in the eyes of the targetted demographic, or if he truly believes what he is saying.

John, Prototype wrestled. Prototype got us behind him when he was facing Kurt Angle. Prototype had all the potential in the world. When you first became "The Dr" we cheered you. We liked you, and then we thought the WWE fucked you up, then you come out and say you fucked yourself up.

It's really hard to respect that man right now...
The real problem is, he's getting me to hate him in an offscreen way. I don't care about his character. Many people do, in the form of X-Pac heat. He's failing if he's trying to be a face, but he's failing even harder if he's trying to be a heel.
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I enjoyed the hell out of it actualy and I agree with the idea of WWE abgling for a whole new type of alignment not clearly defnied as face, heel, tweener or even anti Hero.

And lets be honest you cant tell me that wasnt a hot crowd because every single crowd member was into that match from start to finish.
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I enjoyed the hell out of it actualy and I agree with the idea of WWE abgling for a whole new type of alignment not clearly defnied as face, heel, tweener or even anti Hero.

And lets be honest you cant tell me that wasnt a hot crowd because every single crowd member was into that match from start to finish.


Bringing in a new, no-draw, alignment that transcends X-Pac heat.
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"Cena heat" might be the new "X-Pac Heat".

Disappointing as it is; I'm kind of indifferent to Cena not doing freestyles anymore, because that could have been grating if Cena was still doing that some 3 years after the fact, and made him one dimensional.

His current evolution of his gimmick...from over the top carciature "white rap dude" to "just plain ass John Cena with a hiphop lilt" is fine. It's the way most gimmicks nowadays should be, not cartoonish bullshit that WWE somehow manages to get over with every now and then, but too much of it makes the product just seem the kind of gay it was before Bret, Stone Cold, and HBK made WWE programming seem a bit more believable again.

What sucks about Cena is his lack of edge in the ring, and elsewhere. If he wants to be remembered as a pro wrestler, he needs to work on his in-ring. Rock got the hint that some of his boos were coming from the fact that sticking things up someone's candy ass had worn thin and everyone knew that his matches were punch, punch, BOOT, DDT....SPINE BUSTER, People's Elbow (and maybe a Rock Bottom). So every now and then, The Rock would do something like, "Fuck you guys, I'm doing a Figure Four." or ..."Kiss The People's Ass, here's a Fisherman's Suplex". Cena has done none of that. His matches have become pisspoor interpretations of Rock 2000 matches... PUNCH, PUNCH, PUNCH, wave the hand in the face, Five Knuckle Shuffle... and F-U (or STFU). It's funny that in SmackDown versus Raw, Cena has the "Cena Underhook", though I've not even seen Cena do that in a long time.

I just hate that the STF-U has no buildup whatsoever. He just locks it on, and someone's supposed to tap. I guess that might work in UFC-style fighting, but in WWE (and ironically, moreso in WWE videogames made after 2002) you have to build a submission like that up.

To be fair, they've done that with Chris Benoit (especially with the Sharpshooter) and Kurt Angle, two submission-finisher users, too. But with a guy like Cena, he needs to take more "care" of himself.

Out of the ring... where's the fire? It's like Cena has become complacent. He's got natural charisma, but he doesn't get pissed off the way he used to (the "Kurt Angle imitates John Cena" bit was brilliant, the way Cena came up all fired up). Every now and then he'll say something entertaining but he hasn't been consistent lately. And when he does, people complain that he does too much poop and gay jokes (personally, I thought his "Ooohhhhhh, the poopoothepoopoothepoopoo" routine on SmackDown against Kenzo Suzuki was hilarious). He showed this at the Hall of Fame, where, when the crowd was heavily booing him, he went along and won (some of) them over with his hilarious imitation of an NFL Films exposition on The Fridge.

Cena just seems so complacent. I hope they turn this complacency into a sort of slick heel gimmick. But...who knows.

I just want to see Cena go back and live up to his potential. (And if he does have the power to un-lame his F-U again, he should do it.)
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I just hate that the STF-U has no buildup whatsoever. He just locks it on, and someone's supposed to tap. I guess that might work in UFC-style fighting, but in WWE (and ironically, moreso in WWE videogames made after 2002) you have to build a submission like that up.
Answering this from a completely kayfabe standpoint:

The STFU is not an STF, which is a stepover toehold facelock, it is a version of the STS, which is a stepover toehold sleeper. So, much like a regular sleeper hold, one does not have to isolate one part of an opponet's body. Instead, its a move that'll take you out no matter when it's applied.


From a non-kayfabe POV, I somewhat agree. When a wrestler works over a body part leading up to a submission finisher, its adds alot to the story of the match.
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Old 04-05-2006, 01:34 PM   #67
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I'm aware of that move being a sleeper after seeing Cena lock it in a few times, but yeah...

the announcers do nothing to sell the "STF-U" as a credible finisher. It's just BAM!!! and there it goes...Tap out.

like SmackDown 2: Know Your Role.
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Old 04-05-2006, 01:41 PM   #68
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Well, it's supposed to come out of nowhere, and be instant death. Much like many submissions have been in the past.

Did Foley work over someone's tongue before the Mandible Claw/Mister Socko/etc?

Most of Tazz's uses of the Tazzmission in the WWF were out of knowhere.

Did the Rock really work the legs before performing the WSE (Worst Sharpshooter Ever)?
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Old 04-05-2006, 02:56 PM   #69
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No, and that's why the WSE sucked.

The Mandible Claw always seemed like a "OMGGETYOURHANDOUTOFMYMOUTH" move, the sock even made it more so.

Good point about Tazz though, he was notorious for the INSTA-SUBMISSION, even in ECW....

...what I should have said was that with Cena, the addition of such a move to his arsenal just makes him seem more and more the generic/"invincible" superman babyface...
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...He doesn't even do that backdrop-into-a-powerbomb move anymore...
Er? He did it at WrestleMania 22, no?
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