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Old 04-09-2006, 10:44 AM   #41
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Are you seriously asking who Ted DiBiase is? Seriously?

My answer to the original question...NO ONE. At least no new champions for like, god, 5 years. Do you realise that from 1963 until 1992 there was only 16 World Champions in WWE history...and currently on the active WWE Roster we have 16 former WWE crowned World Champions. No one sees the problem with this? I know there are a lot of people who deserve it, but there have always been a lot of people who deserve it who never got it. As unfair as it was, them not getting it continued to make the belt that much more treasured. When Benoit and Jericho would fued for the IC Title, with everyone (marks and smarts alike) knowing full well they could be World Champs, it not only made the World Title something everyone should always be driving for, but it made the undercard look credible. Too many former World Champs hanging around the midcard shockingly makes not only the World Titles look useless, but also deminishes interest in the undercard itself. Who cares if JBL or Benoit are US Champs, both are former World Champs, it's a step down for both of them, and because of that there is less interest. The only titles I think former World Champs should fight for (a few exceptions to be made) are the Tag Titles. I don't care what anyone says, I have no problem with Super Teams.
Sports change. Home run races weren't always a part of baseball. Hundred point games weren't always part of basketball. Hell, the Shot clock wasn't even part.

Why should our sports entertainment be different? MOre championship reigns? Wow. Shocking. Because WWE never progressed either.
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Old 04-09-2006, 01:37 PM   #42
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Old 04-09-2006, 03:11 PM   #44
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Sports change. Home run races weren't always a part of baseball. Hundred point games weren't always part of basketball. Hell, the Shot clock wasn't even part.

Why should our sports entertainment be different? MOre championship reigns? Wow. Shocking. Because WWE never progressed either.
Sports do change, hell pro wrestling changes faster then most. I have no problem with more championship reigns. Hell, I think having title changes ads something. But I don't think that every single guy who gets a decent sized pop should walk away with the title belt. Randy Orton, Dave Batista, Rey Mysterio, and even one of my personal favorite wrestlers JBL shouldn't have had the reigns they did. None of them were at "World Title" level when they won the belt. We accepted they were World Champ material because WWE told us they were, but do you realise there were 8 former World Champions on RAW this week? EIGHT! (Cena, HHH, Edge, Show, Kane, Flair, Vince, & HBK) Then we have only 19 other people to appear on RAW (Kenny, Mikey, Mitch, Nicky, Jonny, Lita, RVD, Masters, Master's Jobber, Carlito, Shane, Mickie, Candice, Torrie, Trish, Chavo, Shelton, Umanga, and the Cuban guy)

So let's break that down, 19 non-Former World Champs, 5 are women, 5 are in a brand new stable debut, 1 was a jobber, 1 was a manager. That means for men who have been around for more then 3 months there are only 7 men who appeared on RAW who wern't a former World Champ. SEVEN men who havn't held the World Title vs. the EIGHT who are former World Champs. But yeah, I can definatly see how it's so incredible and important to become a World Champion...not because it's a rare honor like it once was, now it's just a mater of needing to win the WWE or World Belt because let's face it, everyone is doing it.
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Old 04-09-2006, 03:18 PM   #45
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Sports do change, hell pro wrestling changes faster then most. I have no problem with more championship reigns. Hell, I think having title changes ads something. But I don't think that every single guy who gets a decent sized pop should walk away with the title belt. Randy Orton, Dave Batista, Rey Mysterio, and even one of my personal favorite wrestlers JBL shouldn't have had the reigns they did. None of them were at "World Title" level when they won the belt. We accepted they were World Champ material because WWE told us they were, but do you realise there were 8 former World Champions on RAW this week? EIGHT! (Cena, HHH, Edge, Show, Kane, Flair, Vince, & HBK) Then we have only 19 other people to appear on RAW (Kenny, Mikey, Mitch, Nicky, Jonny, Lita, RVD, Masters, Master's Jobber, Carlito, Shane, Mickie, Candice, Torrie, Trish, Chavo, Shelton, Umanga, and the Cuban guy)

So let's break that down, 19 non-Former World Champs, 5 are women, 5 are in a brand new stable debut, 1 was a jobber, 1 was a manager. That means for men who have been around for more then 3 months there are only 7 men who appeared on RAW who wern't a former World Champ. SEVEN men who havn't held the World Title vs. the EIGHT who are former World Champs. But yeah, I can definatly see how it's so incredible and important to become a World Champion...not because it's a rare honor like it once was, now it's just a mater of needing to win the WWE or World Belt because let's face it, everyone is doing it.
I do agree with you, but a lot of these guys were champs when the WWF/E was a lot bigger than it is now, hence an influx of champions. It was also a time where the fans expected a high turnover. Now, tossing the belt on anyone with a pop is a bad thing, but I really think we do need the title on a few new people over the next couple of years, simply because long title reigns don't seem to work well with the casuals. Mostly. They seemed to eat up Batista's, and while I'd like to see some mroe title reigns in length, WWE has groomed people to expect frequent changes. They did it because they thought they could substitute "surprise" for good booking, but they still did it.

My proposal is really to slow it down somewhat. The first way to do that is make the US and IC championships more important, and have them actually stand for #1 contendership. Stuff like that. But we can't really go back in a huge leap, and there's another complication.

Many of the former champions on the active roster, which is what really makes it look bad, are past their prime. Now, that's not the only problem, but it is a huge part of the issue.

What I'd really like to see is a couple good strong champions with some believable contenders challenging frequently. Unfortunately, WWE done changed the game on us, and think a feud only really works if a title changes hands, etc.
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I would like to see guys who WWE have already deamed World Title worthy get more then one go with the belt. Guys like Benoit, JBL, Mysterio, Orton, Edge, Batista...instead of giving them one run and hanging them up for the rest of time...why not give them a second, thrid, maybe even a fourth run before we start handing out new "Former World Champion" cards to everyone else. Too many guys have held the World Titles, I and realise it is doubly difficult now because of the Brand Extension so we have two of them floating around, but not everyone who is a credible Upper-Mid Carder needs to get the belt. I think in order to be a World Champion you should have solid mic and in ring skills...a few exceptions to be made...no one will ever call The Rock a great inside of the ropes, but he deserved the World Title, equally so, Chris Benoit isn't going to floor too many people with a promo, but he deserves it. I don't think someone like Shelton should hold the belt until his mic work inproves, when Orton held the World Title his in ring work was still too sloppy, Batista's mic skills imprpved (by some act of god) but when he won the belt, he couldn't cut a promo to save his life. Would it have killed them to maybe have Batista focus on mic work until SummerSlam til they gave him the belt? No, but they jumped the gun...and it lowers the bar to be a World Champion.

I think that's the biggest problem with the WWE Main Event picture, instead of the next guys to come along being better then the ones before them, they lower the bar just a little to allow this guy to be World Champ, then the next guy comes along and they lower the bar just a little more, until we end up with a migit mexican who can't cut a promo, is more or less a living punching bag, pulls meaningless flippy moves out of his ass and who's only marketable quality is riding the coatails of his friend's death winning the Title in a Mania Main Event. Where do we go from here? Hell whenever Funaki wrestles he gets a good pop, let's throw it on him.

The very least WWE could do, it take the guys they ALREADY made Champ, and continue to have them be Main Eventers...have them win the belts back. We don't need year long reigns, if you have two guys fueding for 4 or 5 months, you can have someone drop the belt in the first month, continue the fued for another 3 months, and then in the last month have him get his belt back...it keeps the belt moving, it doesn't get stale, and we don't end up with a new flavor of the year coming along and becoming the next "Former World Champ" in an already crowded pool.
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Old 04-09-2006, 11:00 PM   #48
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Yeah I think when the wwe gave the belts to Cena and Bats it lowered the cred of the belts a hell of alot.
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Old 04-09-2006, 11:07 PM   #49
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Old 04-09-2006, 11:12 PM   #50
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I would like to see guys who WWE have already deamed World Title worthy get more then one go with the belt. Guys like Benoit, JBL, Mysterio, Orton, Edge, Batista...
Part of the problem is, a lot of these guys shouldn't get the belt again.

JBL, though I've praised the character, was a shit draw. Even against Eddie. Mysterio's a terrible Main Eventer. Edge, I think they realised was a mistake. Orton's too busy being punished every five minutes, being Taker's bitch, etc.

Most of their "established champs" are junk. Whether on their own merit or because they were treated like crap. Revisiting any of the above is either a bd idea or won't happen, with the exception of Batista.

Hell, I don't see Benoit getting the strap back anytime soon, to be frank. Orton'll be lucky if he makes it to the Main Event again at this rate, JBL can't draw, I'd sooner see wrestling go bankrupt than see Edge as champion again, and Mysterio's the biggest joke since the concept of a black champion.
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Old 04-09-2006, 11:16 PM   #51
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I have no clue why people don't get why Batista was given the title when he did?

Boggles my mind.
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Old 04-09-2006, 11:26 PM   #52
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Old 04-10-2006, 06:06 AM   #53
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I have no clue why people don't get why Batista was given the title when he did?

Boggles my mind.

I get why Bats is champ. He was over as hell but most of the wwe's fans are retards and even when he was over he lowered the cred of the belt because lets face it the man isnt that talented.
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Right and HHH winning it like 5 million times in the span of two years didn't hurt the cred of the title at all.
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Right and HHH winning it like 5 million times in the span of two years didn't hurt the cred of the title at all.

Not really he made the show boring but at least he was talented (one of the most talented on the roster) and he did show us how much he wanted the belt.
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Bobcore Holly... This man should have been a champion YEARS ago. Let him remain a likeable asshole, and give him some credible wins. as much as you hate to admit it, he is over HARD in most markets, and is decent in the ring, not great, but decent. THe man has paid his dues...
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Bobcore Holly... This man should have been a champion YEARS ago. Let him remain a likeable asshole, and give him some credible wins. as much as you hate to admit it, he is over HARD in most markets, and is decent in the ring, not great, but decent. THe man has paid his dues...


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Bobcore Holly... This man should have been a champion YEARS ago. Let him remain a likeable asshole, and give him some credible wins. as much as you hate to admit it, he is over HARD in most markets, and is decent in the ring, not great, but decent. THe man has paid his dues...
Why was "hard" capatilized? Don't answer that.
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I gotta agree. Folks with comedy gimmicks will never be legit title contenders, as their gimmick will always overshadow their talent.
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Old 04-14-2006, 02:32 AM   #64
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Mr. Cannon that's not wise. Let's see... my pick?
RVD. Given where the roster is right now, RVD could potentially be the last great WWE champion if they do it right.
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Old 04-14-2006, 05:14 PM   #66
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I would say RVD, but I really don't like this WWE version of him. I'm a big RVD mark and as much as it pains me to say it...I don't buy the current WWE/RVD as being a credible champ. He basically has the same match everytime, using the same few spots everytime. (Sound familiar?)

The question I have is that, let's say for argument's sake that RVD does win the Title at ONS and does it in a hardcore style that exhibits shades of old "ECW" RVD...how is WWE going to handle this? Are they going to allow RVD to maintain this style as champ or handcuff him again once he's back on Raw or Smackdown? This is why I don't think RVD will win the title with his MITB match. WWE will have to take the handcuffs off him and I don't think that'll happen. And worse, if they do allow him to win it in a more "hardcore/creative" style, but make him go back to the current watered down version, fans are probably gonna be pissed off.

So that leaves, unfortunately, the reality that if RVD does win the Title it will be just to increase the buy-rate for the upcoming ONS PPV...but he'll have it as long as Edge. That just doesn't sit right with me. Why they don't turn the guy loose is beyond me. Break in a new style of WWE champ and let him run with the ball for a while for christ sakes. The guy's still massively over now...imagine how over he'll be if they just let him be himself in the ring.

Here's a question for you guys. When was the last time the WWE/Heavyweight Title changed hands on Raw? WOW, there's a wacky concept.
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Old 04-14-2006, 05:21 PM   #67
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Old 04-14-2006, 05:41 PM   #68
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Here's a question for you guys. When was the last time the WWE/Heavyweight Title changed hands on Raw? WOW, there's a wacky concept.
Most recent televised title changes...

WWE Championship: Brock Lesnar defeated Kurt Angle in a 60 Minute Iron Man Match on the September 18th of 2003 edition of SmackDown (recorded September 16).

World Heavyweight Championship: Kurt Angle won a Battle Royal for the vacant World Heavyweight Championship on the January 12th of 2006 edition of SmackDown (recorded January 10).

Now if you were asking specifically for RAW Title changes...

The World Heavyweight Championship was originally awarded to Triple H on RAW (Sept. 2, 2002) and then later on the title was vacated by Vince McMahon on December 6, 2004...but it has never changed hands on an edition on RAW...unless you're one of those foolish people who think it is the WCW Title, then in that case Booker T won the WCW Title off of Kurt Angle on the July 30, 2001 edition of RAW...

The last time the WWE Championship changed hands on RAW was when Steve Austin defeated Kurt Angle on October 8, 2001.

Anyone think it's weird that Kurt Angle is involved in every single one of those?
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Old 04-14-2006, 07:25 PM   #69
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Old 04-15-2006, 01:54 AM   #70
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Bobcore Holly... This man should have been a champion YEARS ago. Let him remain a likeable asshole, and give him some credible wins. as much as you hate to admit it, he is over HARD in most markets, and is decent in the ring, not great, but decent. THe man has paid his dues...
How the hell can you be a likeable asshole???
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