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Old 04-09-2006, 01:44 AM   #1
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No offense, but that's like saying "I've killed fewer JEws than Hitler" or "Our torture isn't as bad as Saddam Hussein's."

Really, better than WWE isn't saying much.
Better than TNA?

Better than...shit, I think that's it.

Mainstream wrestling sucks at the moment.
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Old 04-08-2006, 04:18 PM   #2
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Brock's contract said he can't be a part of any company that might be viewed as a threat to WWE...which includes, as previously mentioned, any fight sport, or any wrestling promotion that might have a chance to hurt WWE's image and or ratings until 2010. Brock Lesnar filled a lawsuit against Vince McMahon and World Wrestling Entertainment to have the no-compete clause removed from his contract in February of 2005. Then in July of 2005 Brock Lesnar met with Vince McMahon to try and work out a deal to resign him. Brock was reported asking for a contract that made Hogan's WCW contract look like Funaki's. Vince more or less told him to get the hell out of his office. The lawsuit when to court and somehow, someone, somehwere convinced a judge that competing in Japan possed no threat to WWE. Which is true, just shocking that he was able to get the thumbs up on it. So Brock went to Japan, has wrestled and won the IWGP Title at a NJPW PPV event. Vince McMahon then tried in early December of 2005 to have the courts at least temporarly prevent Brock Lesnar from competing in Japan, when he realised in late December he really didn't have a chance of convincing the judge to chance his mind, he withdrew his counter suit.

Yeah, sure sounds like McMahon and Lesnar are just seconds away from a long embrace and a nice fat juicy contract being handed out.
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Old 04-09-2006, 01:47 AM   #3
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Nah, I kinda like TNA. They need more time to make their shows really work and stick in the minds of viewers.

BTW, Australia's getting them from May onwards. I know instead of ordering WWE PPVs (which I am ashamed to say that I do), I'll be ordering some TNA goodness.

In a perfect world Brock Lesnar, The Rock & Chris Jericho would all make appearances for TNA and really threaten the WWE's position as the top promotion in the world.
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Old 04-09-2006, 02:18 AM   #4
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I'm gonna be ordering the TNA PPV's to

And I'm still not sure why your all giving Alienoid so much shit atm.
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Old 04-09-2006, 09:35 PM   #5
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And I'm still not sure why your all giving Alienoid so much shit atm.
I won a mid-card Royal Rumble, then unbelieveably got too close to a World Title...

TNA is going to be fantastic. I've always wanted to watch a TNA PPV. The first we get is Sacrifice, I think. Here's hoping it's good. I get the feeling we will get Christian Cage vs. Samoa Joe. That is must watch. I might also get Judgment Day if they have some TLC awesomeness between MNM, Paul London & Brian Kendrick, The Mexicools and Jamie Noble & Kid Kash. I guess Backlash will need to be sacrificed this year. Shame on WWE for putty on shitty PPVs.
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Old 04-09-2006, 09:40 PM   #6
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I would welcome Brock Lesnar back with open arms. Lesnar is fantastic in the ring, and he has that "big star" feel to him. To be perfectly honest, he and Batista are really the only two "megastars" the WWE has created since the brand split.

To be perfectly honest, RAW is the better place for Lesnar at the moment. Lesnar vs. Edge, Lesnar vs. Triple H & Lesnar vs. HBK are three main event programs which the WWE hasn't even come close to delivering. That could lock Brock up for a good year or so, if done right. There is so much for this guy to do in the WWE it isn't funny.

The WWE should swallow their pride, and offer this guy a spot on the roster, just keep him away from the WWE Title until he has proven his worth to the company. His fourth WWE Title win could be huge.
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Old 04-09-2006, 10:23 AM   #7
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Nah, I kinda like TNA. They need more time to make their shows really work and stick in the minds of viewers.

BTW, Australia's getting them from May onwards. I know instead of ordering WWE PPVs (which I am ashamed to say that I do), I'll be ordering some TNA goodness.

In a perfect world Brock Lesnar, The Rock & Chris Jericho would all make appearances for TNA and really threaten the WWE's position as the top promotion in the world.
TNA is hit or miss, but it's still got a lot WWE doesn't.
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:29 PM   #8
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Brock and Goldberg are the same. Both showed up as a monster, handed the world and asked "is that all"? They both got too much too soon which in turn made their ego's the size of texas. Thinking they were above the wrestling world they turned their back on it. Only to realise they suck at everything else and then come crawling back asking for more money than Bill Gates. Warrior also fits in here too. I hope Brock doesn't come back. If he does I want Vince to make him a laughing stock like Big Show loosing to everyone on the roster.
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:31 PM   #9
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Brock and Goldberg are the same.
Except for the fact that Brock can actually, you know, "wrestle"...

And I'm not talking about amateur wrestling, either...
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Except for the fact that Brock can actually, you know, "wrestle"...

And I'm not talking about amateur wrestling, either...
because good workers carried BOTH Brock and Goldberg. Brock couldn't wrestle but all the top guys put him over. This was apparant at wm xx. neither had a good worker to put them over hence the most disappointing match in wm history. goldberg had all of wcw put him over. his best matches were aginst veterans that made him look awesome, same goes for brock. how could he "wrestle" better than goldberg? because he could botch a shooting star? the jackhammer was a more awe-inspiring move than the f-5. seeing the Giant getting jackhammered was worth a lot more than getting f-5'd.
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Old 04-09-2006, 03:41 PM   #11
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because good workers carried BOTH Brock and Goldberg. Brock couldn't wrestle but all the top guys put him over. This was apparant at wm xx. neither had a good worker to put them over hence the most disappointing match in wm history. goldberg had all of wcw put him over. his best matches were aginst veterans that made him look awesome, same goes for brock. how could he "wrestle" better than goldberg? because he could botch a shooting star? the jackhammer was a more awe-inspiring move than the f-5. seeing the Giant getting jackhammered was worth a lot more than getting f-5'd.
Brock could be amazing in the ring. He was not only talented technically, but fast and agile. Had he not nearly killed himself with that botch at Mania, people'd be worshipping his ass for that AMAZING spot.

I will, however, give you the finishers argument, with one exception. Seeing Brock F-% someone big owns the jackhammer on someone big.

He's agile, talented, and a strong storyteller. Goldberg was boring, sloppy, and more dangerous than 100 botched SSPs.
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are you referring to the kick to bret? why does everyone bring that up? Austin would still be wrestling if brets brother hadn't broken his neck. accidents are a part of wrestling, PERIOD. does it mean they meant to do it? absolutely not. its called an accident for a reason. Steve Austin ended Ricky the Dragon Steamboat's career. Sting ended Rick Rudes career. one wrestler makes one mistake and he can never live it down, unlike all the above mentioned.
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Brock and Goldberg are the same. Both showed up as a monster, handed the world and asked "is that all"? They both got too much too soon which in turn made their ego's the size of texas. Thinking they were above the wrestling world they turned their back on it.
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because good workers carried BOTH Brock and Goldberg. Brock couldn't wrestle but all the top guys put him over. This was apparant at wm xx. neither had a good worker to put them over hence the most disappointing match in wm history.
There's a lot wrong with these statements.

First off, in Goldberg's defense, he didn't just get a shitty attitiude overnight. In WCW, he developed his attitude over the course of months and months of shitty booking and backstage politics that ended up turning pretty much everyone in the company into a bunch of petty assholes. Nobody wanted to be there, and it seemed like the writers were going out of their way to bury EVERYONE. From all accounts, he was actually a pretty decent guy until he realized that people like Nash & Hogan were cutting his legs out from under him; in a situation where its every man for himself, of course you're going to become selfish.

In WWE, he was misused. Badly. Now whether or not the WWE should've signed him in the first place might be a question, but its obvious that for whatever reason, they decided to bury him pretty much as soon as he got out the gate. Once again, he developed the bad attitude after dealing with backstage politics.

Brock did indeed get too much too soon and his attitiude and delusions of being in the NFL were prett ridiculous, but your ideas of his ring work are way off. He had good programs with John Cena and Big Show; neither man can really carry anyone. He consistently got the Undertaker's best stuff; not even 'name' wrestlers can get Mark to step it up these days.

And even if you want to say that he got carried to great matches by Eddie, Angle, and Benoit, etc...the fact that he can be taken to that level and can actually go move for move with that level of talent puts him years ahead of most American 'monster' type wrestlers. Lesnar was a huge talent. A complete dickhead, but a huge talent.

As for the last match at WM XX, the fact that you would even bring that up as an example of either man's work is pretty stupid. Neither were giving any kind of effort whatsoever, neither were coming back to the company so they didn't give a shit, and Goldberg hadn't even been on TV in weeks.

Its an example of their attitude and professionalism, but its in no way an example of their ring work. So saying that match was shitty because no one was there to carry the match was just dumb. The match was shitty because they made no effort. Prett obvious.
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How the fuck does a five year no compete clause fly in legal terms? Surely it curtails the guys ability to feed his family? Or would have at least if he hadn't gone to Japan
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How the fuck does a five year no compete clause fly in legal terms? Surely it curtails the guys ability to feed his family? Or would have at least if he hadn't gone to Japan
He signed it. He figured he was going to be in the NFL.

Apparently he never thought of freezing the contract. That way, he would have still been signed to the WWE, but he would be losing whatever money he would have made those years he was out.
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No, Goldberg was pretty sloppy in the ring. He never looked very good in the ring, which is why he's most known for wrestling 160-something 5 minute squash matches.
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goldbergs squash matches were belevable and exciting. I'd rather see a 5 min goldberg match over a 15 min MALE CHEERLEADER match.
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Lesnar's matches were believable and exciting without endangering his opponents.

I love how you switch from Lesnar to MALE CHEERLEADERS. Weak. I'd rather not watch either, but what does that have to do with Goldberg vs Lesnar? nothing. Which is about what you've got to argue with.
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Just because they were believeable and exciting doesn't mean he wasn't sloppy.

What are you, Vermaat?
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I don't think Brets mind or heart was in wrestling at that time anymore. I hated seeing him hate wrestling. I think HE ended his career. what else could he have done?
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you're onto me.

For years, I have kept this a secret, but I was there that night, and Bret said, "I want to end it all." He ran right into Goldberg's foot, and then tried to frame the poor Jew. Why? Canadians are Godfless and vindictive.
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How in the fuck did we start with a thread about Brock Lesnar and wind up talking about the end of Bret Hart's career?
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How in the fuck did we start with a thread about Brock Lesnar and wind up talking about the end of Bret Hart's career?
Same reason he's now trashing the Spirit Squad.

Because hiws argument is too retarded for even him to bother with.
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Same reason he's now trashing the Spirit Squad.

Because hiws argument is too retarded for even him to bother with.
But you must admit that his arguments are INNOVATIVE and NEW!
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How in the fuck did we start with a thread about Brock Lesnar and wind up talking about the end of Bret Hart's career?
because people for whatever reason want that piece of shit to come back. I stated he and billy goldberg were very similar. both took the golden goose and went home. then, like always, people defend lestner and berate goldberg. I liked both of them in their eras but the way they said "I don't need this bullshit" after getting handed everything there is to give makes me hate both of them. Brock probably worse because he chose to take his ball and go home. Goldberg was brought in to fail. wcw talent has never ever ever been put over. how many WORLD titles has booker t won since he joined wwe? Benoit won a title just to shut people up and now hes back to where he was for 15 years. if brock came back he would leave again and again and again then they would come up with a "self-distruction" video.
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Old 04-09-2006, 08:55 PM   #27
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because people for whatever reason want that piece of shit to come back.
YOU BROUGHT IT UP! KK never mentioned Hart, and I wouldn't read Goldberg being sloppy as "OMFG HE KILLED BRET HART". The fact is that Goldberg IS sloppy and is a horrible wrestler and a one trick pony. It's been proven that no one can book him successfully without him being an unstoppable monster. WCW couldn't pull it off and neither could the WWE.

Oh, and your world title argument is moot with Goldberg because, you know, he won a WORLD title when he was in the WWE.
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Old 04-09-2006, 09:03 PM   #28
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YOU BROUGHT IT UP! KK never mentioned Hart, and I wouldn't read Goldberg being sloppy as "OMFG HE KILLED BRET HART". The fact is that Goldberg IS sloppy and is a horrible wrestler and a one trick pony. It's been proven that no one can book him successfully without him being an unstoppable monster. WCW couldn't pull it off and neither could the WWE.

Oh, and your world title argument is moot with Goldberg because, you know, he won a WORLD title when he was in the WWE.
wcw DID pull it off until Nash booked himself to win the title via taser.
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wcw DID pull it off until Nash booked himself to win the title via taser.
What? I said they can't book him WITHOUT being an unstoppable monster. THAT WAS HIS FIRST FUCKING LOSS AFTER THE STREAK!
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Simply put, Lesnar was the most gifted and athletic big man I've ever seen step foot in a ring. His athleticism and presence was awesome.

I'd welcome him back. If he messes up again, then to hell with him, but the first time is understandable. I'd love for him to put this crap behind him and hopefully decide to return one day.
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