Another Radio Jerk Rips Wrestling Fans...

[Londoner]

That's not the point though the one, it was mentioned earlier that his Radio show seems to have a lot of listeners, so saying such things infront of a large audience doesnt give a good impression about Eddie.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by TL That's not the point though the one, it was mentioned earlier that his Radio show seems to have a lot of listeners, so saying such things infront of a large audience doesnt give a good impression about Eddie.

And all you do by pissing and moaning about it is give him more attention, REWARDING him for taking the low road AGAIN.

[PureHatred]

The reactions by some people in this thread pretty much prove his point: wrestling fans have a hard time having an objective discussion about steroid abuse, especially when you bring up their favorite guys.

Here, I'll take out the inflammatory rhetoric he uses to get people to call his show and translate what he said a few months ago after Eddie died:

"Boy, it seems like every few months a wreslter dies young because of something having to do with drug or steroid abuse. That can't be a coincidence. There must be something wrong with the business. Somebody should look into that."

And a few days ago::

"Dam, wrestlers sure are big. Much bigger than NFL athletes. if congress is going to look into bnaseball and football, maybe they should also look into pro-wrestling. Because, damn, they sure are big."

Now, if you can get through all that without getting emotionally scarred, I think everyone will see that he's making some legit points.

[Kane Knight]

I don't think anyone was crying because he said "somebody shoudl look into that." I'd be willing to bet money they were reacting to the rhetoric.

So isn't your scathing insight kind of moot?

"Hey, if I take out all the offensive points, you have no reason to take offense. This proves the point that wrestling fans can't have an intellectual discussion on the issue of steroids, even though one wasn't really presented."

[PureHatred]

I don't think most of the people who responded to this thread even bothered to try to read what was said. So your right, they responded to the rhetoric.

But the first time he brought up Eddie a few months back, all he did was bring up the possibility that Eddie's death had something to do with his past drug abuse and the fact that a lot of wrestlers die of similar causes and wrestling fans responded by shutting down ESPN radio. So maybe if there had been more discussion initially than he wouldn't have started the discussion by completely trashing all wrestling fans this time.

Everyone on this board -especially THIS board - has used rhetoric to trash one aspect of the product or another. Christ, people are regularly flamed on this board with worse terms than 'booger eater.' We could probably do a search in any thread Vermaat started and find worse things said to him.

So while it would be easy to dismiss everything he said entirely because of the way he said it, I think it would be far more useful to actually listen to what he was saying: Eddie's death was fucked up. A lot of wrestlers seem to die in the same way. Maybe someone (Congress, since they're looking anyway) should look into the steroid problem in wrestling.

I think its far more useful to look at that issue instead of 'boycotting every post that has Eddie's name in it' or calling him a nobody than no one listens to anyway and sending ESPN an e-mail.

[Kane Knight]

Vermaat is anathema to reasonable discussion. You're digging.

[Kane Knight]

Also, Cowherd, among other things, asked "who cares that [eddie] died" and criticised it for not being newsworthy at all.

So are you lying, or simply glossing over the fact that he didn't merely address a reasonable discussion topic?

[Kane Knight]

Seriously.

Because while I understand that he may not be a fan of fake wrestling or Eddie Gurerro or any of that shit, asking "who cares" if someone died is far beyond simply saying we need to look into why so many wrestlers drop dead so young.

In fact, several people brought up the notion that this needed to be looked at and it was no wonder he died. Several people including folks on here, the online community in general, etc.

Cowherd, on the other hand, took it a step further. Kind of the difference between the stance that "America's foreign policy has lead to inevitable attacks against their own citizens" and Cat Stevens' line that the folks who died on 9-11 deserved it because they're Americans.

One is a discussion point, the other is inflammatory bullshit.

While I think people pissing and moaning about him only serves to reward him for his actions, I think trying to misrepresent what he said is not only horribly dishonest, it quite frankly is hypocritical that you would do that, while accusing people of not actually listening to what he's saying (And thus responding to the rhetoric), not to mention complaining abou the unreasonable reaction when your reaction (Falsification) is clearly not reasonable.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Also, Cowherd, among other things, asked "who cares that [eddie] died" and criticised it for not being newsworthy at all. So are you lying, or simply glossing over the fact that he didn't merely address a reasonable discussion topic?

I'm not lying. And I realize that he put it that way. But he was also saying it wasn't newsworthy because it seem slike every year a wrestler seems to die in his hotel room due to overdoes/heart failure/suicide, etc. He said it wasn't noteworthy because it happens all the time.

He also compared wrestling to the porn industry because it seems like in both, having some sort of emotional issue or chemical dependency was almost a prerequisite. And like with wrestlers, it seems like just about every month you can find a story of a porn star dying of dubious causes. Its not a news item for porn stars m why should it be with wrestlers?

Not the most human way of putting things, but he had a point. It seems like every year a handful of wreslters die due to some shady circumstances. He's a non-fan coming form the viewpoints of most media outlets that wrestling is a white trash sport with performers that are one step below doing softcore porn on Cinemax. he';s saying things in order to stir upa shit-storm.

But in all that outrage I think fans lost sight of the fact that he made some good points: Wrestling has a problem. Wrestler obviously don't lead the healthiest lives. Wrestlers seem to have a suspiciosly short lifespan. Maybe someone should look into steroids in wrestling.

If the onyl issue we're talking about is HOW he stated his case, then fine, he used inflammatory terms in order to generate a response. But I wasn't reading a lot of "Well, he's as asshole, but I get his point" responses. Not this time. Not before.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Seriously. Because while I understand that he may not be a fan of fake wrestling or Eddie Gurerro or any of that shit, asking "who cares" if someone died is far beyond simply saying we need to look into why so many wrestlers drop dead so young. In fact, several people brought up the notion that this needed to be looked at and it was no wonder he died. Several people including folks on here, the online community in general, etc. Cowherd, on the other hand, took it a step further. Kind of the difference between the stance that "America's foreign policy has lead to inevitable attacks against their own citizens" and Cat Stevens' line that the folks who died on 9-11 deserved it because they're Americans. One is a discussion point, the other is inflammatory bullshit. While I think people pissing and moaning about him only serves to reward him for his actions, I think trying to misrepresent what he said is not only horribly dishonest, it quite frankly is hypocritical that you would do that, while accusing people of not actually listening to what he's saying (And thus responding to the rhetoric), not to mention complaining abou the unreasonable reaction when your reaction (Falsification) is clearly not reasonable.

I'm not trying to misrepresent what he said. But I actually heard that show. And the way he said it and the way it came off when he was quoted were really different. He still sounded like an asshole. But one was him driving home the point that wrestlers, for what he called 'obvious' reasons, have short life spans. And the other made it seem like he was taking personal shots at Eddie himself.

He was attacking the industry. And on that subject it deserves to be attacked.

[weather vane]

Who gives a fuck about this guy? Making fun of wrestling fans is way too easy. He isn't doing anything special.

[Kane Knight]

You may not be trying to, but you are misrepresenting what he said, and now you're backtracking to justify what he said that didn't fit within the original purview.

[PureHatred]

I would have to kind of go over the whole show and how that whole "Who cares?" comment came about to explain what I meant. I'm going to get back to this.

[Savio]

Originally Posted by Wikipedia He pursued a Bachelor of Arts degree in Radio and Television from Eastern Washington University before dropping out prior to graduation. Although he has claimed to have graduated from EWU, it has been confirmed on air by his staff that he never earned a degree. It is thought by many that Cowherd attended USC due to his obsession with the institution. Accordingly, listeners will note his strongly anti-intellectual rants and disdain for people he considers too sophisticated or overly educated (e-mailers with an .edu suffix, for example, are ridiculed) or who are pursuing careers that are not business-related.

[Schoenauer]

Hmmm... what caused the bastard to drop out?

[Pinnacle Charisma]

I thought this was going to about some radio host ripping into the boogyman from the use of the word ""Boogereaters

[TerranRich]

Originally Posted by Spilchuk Who gives a fuck about this guy? Making fun of wrestling fans is way too easy. He isn't doing anything special.

Bingo. WGASA? (Who Gives A Shit Anyway?) So he's making fun of wrestling fans. Wow, that's creative and tough to do.

Here, let me help: Wrestling fans are poo poo heads and mama's boys! See? That was already more original than that Cow Herd guy.

[Batsu]

Who gives a crap about Colin Cowherd?
Other than the colon that birthed him?

[Kane Knight]

I think it says something about wrestling that this gets such attention. I mean, wrestling really isn't as "niche" a market as we often assume.

[Londoner]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight And all you do by pissing and moaning about it is give him more attention, REWARDING him for taking the low road AGAIN.

Er, why did you single me out here?I wasn't complaining, i was just explaining the situation to someone else in this thread and how i see it.I don't think explaining my opinion on an internet forum gives him that much attention.

And by the way, yes i did read it all.

[Kane Knight]

You do know that "you can refer to one or more people, right?

did I say anything that singles you out specifically, or...

[Londoner]

Alright forget the singling me out bit, maybe that's just me over-reacting a bit there.

[Kane Knight]

It's more a "Attention gives them what they want" thing.

Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh get more attention from the side they piss off, than the folks they actually appeal to.

In this case, he's appealing to people for more attention, like the last time. And if wrestling fans react, it creates the controversy he was looking for.

Of course, PH was still wrong but...

[Londoner]

I wasn't really reacting to what he was saying, i only pointed out that he reached a new low by commenting on Eddie, and well, if thats what he was trying to achieve then fair enough.I wouldn't say that's anything to be proud of though.I'm not pissed off btw, i can say my opinion without being pissed off you know.

[Kane Knight]

Again, name the part of the post where I singled you out.

[Londoner]

Again, look at the post where i said 'forget it, i was just over-reacting'.