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Old 04-18-2006, 07:46 PM   #41
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I truely cannot see how anyone can say Batista is better than AJ Styles. I mean even if 'spot monkey' is some kind of insult, which is weird. VERY WEIRD. Batista is still Green and over-pushed (I would like to state for the record i like the guy)

AJ is solid and was just getting Batista back for another unfair comment. AJ is specatcular and nowhere NEAR as bad as Jeff Hardy,the matches i've seen of AJ's are always well put together and smooth. I can however see that hes far too specialised at the moment. (although saying that he can work with abyss very well)

I don't blame AJ for not wanna sign with WWE, he wouldn't be able to work the way that shows him best. and to be honest the only reason to sign with the WWE right now is more money, coz under the current situation, Nobody's being used right.
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:24 PM   #42
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Old 04-18-2006, 08:30 PM   #43
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Also, I'm unsure why "spot Monkey" would actually be a good thing.
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Old 04-19-2006, 01:08 AM   #44
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Don't even pretend that Jeff Hardy is anywhere in the same league as AJ Styles. Jeff is a sloppy wrestler that shows zero psycology, and has never been in a four star match that didn't involve his brother in his life.
See: Jeff Hardy vs. Chris Jericho - No Way Out 2002

See: Jeff Hardy vs. The Undertaker - RAW 2001 - Ladder Match

See: Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles - TNA Debut Match

See: Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss - Full Metal Mayhem Match

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Batista, as others have said, doesn't really have much to talk about.

Batista, while he's got charisma, and he's great as a brawling wrestler, is no more a wrestler than the spot monkey.
Batista, while not the best TECHNICAL wrestler, is however, the better of the two. AJ Styles is a "spot monkey".

At least Batista sticks to the power aspect. It works for him, so, why mess with a good thing? Granted, his in-ring work needs improvement, but, that'll happen the day guys like AJ & Rey Mysterio stop depending on high spots instead of solid in-ring mat wrestling.....

And for the record, I like both as wrestlers. I'd like to see AJ concentrate more on ring psychology & mat wrestling and Batista for more mat wrestling. Chances of either happening are slim, and we know a Chris Benoit neither guy will ever be.
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"A monkey, Wes? God, you people aren't even trying anymore!"

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Old 04-19-2006, 09:10 AM   #48
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See: Jeff Hardy vs. Chris Jericho - No Way Out 2002

See: Jeff Hardy vs. The Undertaker - RAW 2001 - Ladder Match

See: Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles - TNA Debut Match

See: Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss - Full Metal Mayhem Match

See: Jeff Hardy vs. Monty Brown - Genesis 2006
LOL, I missed Show Off Saying that.

He's half right though. Jeff's a sloppy wrestler who shows no psychology, and that's pretty much EXACTLY why he's in the same league as AJ Styles.

But LMAO at the fact that more matches have been provided in the defense of Jeff HArdy than of AJ Styles.
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Old 04-19-2006, 09:22 AM   #49
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Batista, while not the best TECHNICAL wrestler, is however, the better of the two. AJ Styles is a "spot monkey".

At least Batista sticks to the power aspect. It works for him, so, why mess with a good thing? Granted, his in-ring work needs improvement, but, that'll happen the day guys like AJ & Rey Mysterio stop depending on high spots instead of solid in-ring mat wrestling.....

And for the record, I like both as wrestlers. I'd like to see AJ concentrate more on ring psychology & mat wrestling and Batista for more mat wrestling. Chances of either happening are slim, and we know a Chris Benoit neither guy will ever be.
Batista's "power" aspect, however, rarely has a lack of any sort of psychology. On the other hand, that doesn't actually make him any better, since he's spent a lot of time being very sloppy (The "green" comments really do apply). So you get a sloppy power wrestler with good charisma and moderate ring psychology, or a spot monkey who's at least accurate, but has almost nonexistant ring psychology and still not much in the technical skills department.
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LOL, I missed Show Off Saying that.

He's half right though. Jeff's a sloppy wrestler who shows no psychology, and that's pretty much EXACTLY why he's in the same league as AJ Styles.

But LMAO at the fact that more matches have been provided in the defense of Jeff HArdy than of AJ Styles.
You requested specifically that the AJ Styles matches be against "someone other than an already-solid performers". So if we're going to go with that criteria for Hardy you can strike Jericho, Undertaker and arguably Abyss off that list. So AJ is actually ahead
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You requested specifically that the AJ Styles matches be against "someone other than an already-solid performers". So if we're going to go with that criteria for Hardy you can strike Jericho, Undertaker and arguably Abyss off that list. So AJ is actually ahead
Styles had two. Two mentions, and one was his "latter" matches, and the other was a nonspecific "Abyss."

I'm not marking Taker off the list, and I won't count Abyss, because I asked for matches and consider him to be a solid worker.

I mean, he doesn't fling himself off of high places, which is apparently the only good definition of a worker, but...
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God damn, the guy came back on him after Batista called him a "spot monkey". WTF would YOU do? I'm sure people (who have dignity and respect for themselves and their workplace) would have done the same damn thing. STFU about that portion of it.

As far as the wrestling aspect...both have their pros and cons and trust, like someone mentioned before, neither can talk like they are big shots.
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God damn, the guy came back on him after Batista called him a "spot monkey". WTF would YOU do? I'm sure people (who have dignity and respect for themselves and their workplace) would have done the same damn thing. STFU about that portion of it.
It was a pretty stupid shot though.

LOL HE CANT KEEP FROM HURTING HIMSELF.

Injuries are a fact of the matter of the business.

Whether you're Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, injuries happen. Especially when you perform as regularly as Batista.

What did I expect him to do?

Maybe come back with a "zinger" that didn't sound so retarded.
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Styles had two. Two mentions, and one was his "latter" matches, and the other was a nonspecific "Abyss."

I'm not marking Taker off the list, and I won't count Abyss, because I asked for matches and consider him to be a solid worker.

I mean, he doesn't fling himself off of high places, which is apparently the only good definition of a worker, but...
Yeah I remember that scaffold dive Steve Austin took a few years ago...

Anyway, I named the shows those latter matches were on (and I used latter in the sense of their place in a feud) but here is some additional info.

ROH Homecoming Philadelphia PA 23rd July 2005 vs Jimmy Rave
ROH Glory By Honor IV Lake Grove NY 17th September 2005 vs Jimmy Rave

Other than that it's purely subjective. Who is to qualify whether guys such as Austin Aries, Roderick Strong, Homicide, Paul London, Bryan Danielson and Low Ki are/were good workers at the time the match happened? Most of them had decent matches with Styles in the last few years when neither he nor they were as developed as they are now. In a similar vein, I don't think Taker of 2001 was as broken down as he is now, nor incapable of having a decent big man/little man match. Hell, you could argue Jimmy Rave was capable at the time, he certainly is now as he's come a long way. Maybe the bookers actually have brains and don't think it's a good idea to use bad workers...?

I'm not denying AJ is overly reliant on some of his aerial stuff btw. But not every match is about selling an arm/leg/ribs/back/whatever, and his stuff for the most part (now, anyway) is crisp, looks good, and he can bump pretty well. He's nowhere near as bad as some people in this thread have made out.
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But AJ sells well. He might not sustain in like 10 minutes later, but at the point of Impact(no pun intended) on a move he sells pretty well. Seriously.

Watch the next time he gets a move done to him he sells it like death.
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But AJ sells well. He might not sustain in like 10 minutes later, but at the point of Impact(no pun intended) on a move he sells pretty well. Seriously.

Watch the next time he gets a move done to him he sells it like death.
He also doesn't sell it 5 seconds later, which makes it look dumb and cartoony.
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When he first started he was bad, but he's grown leaps and bonds since then

Besides if you look up "spot monkey" you'll find a picture of Sonjay Dutt
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When he first started he was bad, but he's grown leaps and bonds since then

Besides if you look up "spot monkey" you'll find a picture of Sonjay Dutt
HE is better, I will certainly give him that.
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See: Jeff Hardy vs. Chris Jericho - No Way Out 2002

See: Jeff Hardy vs. The Undertaker - RAW 2001 - Ladder Match

See: Jeff Hardy vs. AJ Styles - TNA Debut Match

See: Jeff Hardy vs. Abyss - Full Metal Mayhem Match

See: Jeff Hardy vs. Monty Brown - Genesis 2006

The only one worth a damn on that list was the Undertaker match.
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Styles doesn't wrestle, he just flips around the ring....just like a monkey. Honestly, if I wanted to see someone jump and flip around like Styles, then I would go to a circus. (I'm sure another TPWWer, said that a couple of months ago)
Yeah, it was probably me. I hate that faggot AJ Styles.
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Ironic, since AJ Styles also hates faggots, as he calls them.
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Ironic, since AJ Styles also hates faggots, as he calls them.
I hate faggots too.
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Old 04-23-2006, 03:09 PM   #66
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Fags? I hate 'em!
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Old 04-23-2006, 05:25 PM   #67
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yeah you can see it well

"Styles knocked out by that chair!!"
one minute later....
"Styles nipped up! Styles Clash!"

sorry but i agree my dog could sell a match better....

Do you REALLY have any idea what you're talking about? Or are you just going along with what the higher ranking posters are saying about AJ Styles' selling abilities? Because that shit right there is just ridiculous. "My dog could sell a match better"?


AJ Styles can work. He implements psychology, mat wrestling, high flying AND high impact into a style (no fucking pun) that is uniquely his own.

You want a list of great AJ Styles matches?

~AJ Styles vs. Low Ki vs. Psychosis vs. Jerry Lynn - First X-Division Championship Round Robin Match - 6/26/02

~AJ Styles vs. Jerry Lynn - 11/06/02

~Flying Elvises vs. AJ Styles/Low Ki/Jerry Lynn - 6/19/02

~Amazing Red vs. AJ Styles - 12/11/03

~AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels vs. Samoa Joe - X Title - Unbreakable 05

~AJ Styles vs. Petey Williams - X Title - Genesis 05

~AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels - X Title Iron Man Match - Bound For Glory 05


Actually WATCH the matches and see what he does, when he does it, and why. If you understand anything about psychology (I've heard countless people babble about someone "not using psychology in their matches," and then when asking them what psychology is, they don't know how to describe it) then you will see that AJ Styles implements it in his matches.
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Old 04-23-2006, 05:54 PM   #68
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wow i see that theres alot of WWE fanboys on here... for an equal opportunity forum try www.TRRwrestling.tk that site is way better.. no one goes off when someonne thinks differently.

PS-- AJ Styles is amazing, and the Pounce is on the same level as the Destroyer because the Destroyer is jus a glorified Sunset Flip.. so yea check your info before u start bitchin
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PS-- AJ Styles is amazing, and the Pounce is on the same level as the Destroyer because the Destroyer is jus a glorified Sunset Flip.. so yea check your info before u start bitchin
The main difference between those two moves is that the Canadian Destroyer looks good.
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