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Old 02-08-2007, 12:38 PM   #41
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The falling from high places from Sabu, and the drug abuse from RVD?
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Nah. All the spots RVD & Sabu did as a team Jeff incorporated into his matchs and then took credit for them. The see-saw spot for example. As well as the poetry in motion being origionated by Sabu (singles with chair, tag off RVD's back.) Their are other (many in fact) but that's enough.
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That's true, never really thought of it that way. But I still don't think Jeff Hardy sucks
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:42 PM   #43
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On a side note I think Kennedy saw one of my matches. That reverse Figure Four he did at the rumble I've been doing a variation of for years and to the best of my knowledge I have never seen anyone do it. Then at this house show I went to he did it EXACTLY like I do (ankle lock added in and everything.) I was sooooooooooooooo mad.
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Old 02-08-2007, 12:43 PM   #44
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Lets just say he's no Adrian Adonis
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:11 PM   #45
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Nah. All the spots RVD & Sabu did as a team Jeff incorporated into his matchs and then took credit for them. The see-saw spot for example. As well as the poetry in motion being origionated by Sabu (singles with chair, tag off RVD's back.) Their are other (many in fact) but that's enough.
Yeah, I know. Plus, it's not like Sabu is straight edge himself.
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:24 PM   #46
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:29 PM   #47
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I don't think that I've cared about Jeff Hardy since some time around 2001.
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He's good at drawing new fans in, I mean, the chances are that if you are new to wrestling you probably don't care about technical matchups or solid wrestling. You just wanna be entertained, I've gotta give credit to Jeff Hardy, not many people can get as much out of a 20 foot ladder, 4 tables and countless chairs like he can. In fact he would be my number one pick for a dream TLC match (if ever there was one)
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:30 PM   #48
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Which only supports the idea that he is trash...remember: liking someone doesn't stop them from being trash.
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He's certainly made himself synonymous with ladder match
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Which only supports the idea that he is trash...remember: liking someone doesn't stop them from being trash.
Just depends what you think of as trash though, I suppose.
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:34 PM   #51
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Trash isn't an opinion though. People who don't know what garbage wrestling is seem to think it's an opinion though...
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:54 PM   #52
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Trash isn't an opinion though. People who don't know what garbage wrestling is seem to think it's an opinion though...
Well, marks dont think of the spots that jeff hardy pulls off as trash. But 'smarks' have seen it all before and don't care for the lack of talent it takes to fall off a ladder.

I just think it makes a break from the norm. I wouldn't want those kinda matches flooding WWE but I would probably lose interest if it was just grappling and submission moves too.

However, I don't think we need to argue about which one takes the most talent to perform.
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Old 02-08-2007, 01:57 PM   #53
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I always turn the channel if Hardy isn't in a ladder match or gimmick match.
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I always turn the channel if Hardy isn't in a ladder match or gimmick match.
Yeah, agreed, without the ladder he is kinda useless. Although some of his matches back with the hardy boyz were definatley watchable.
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He's good at drawing new fans in, I mean, the chances are that if you are new to wrestling you probably don't care about technical matchups or solid wrestling. You just wanna be entertained, I've gotta give credit to Jeff Hardy, not many people can get as much out of a 20 foot ladder, 4 tables and countless chairs like he can. In fact he would be my number one pick for a dream TLC match (if ever there was one)
The same can be said of good wrestlers. Your Austins, your Triple Hs, your Snitskys...
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Old 02-08-2007, 02:19 PM   #56
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Well, marks dont think of the spots that jeff hardy pulls off as trash. But 'smarks' have seen it all before and don't care for the lack of talent it takes to fall off a ladder.

I just think it makes a break from the norm. I wouldn't want those kinda matches flooding WWE but I would probably lose interest if it was just grappling and submission moves too.

However, I don't think we need to argue about which one takes the most talent to perform.
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Just depends what you think of as trash though, I suppose.
These make me think of a hobo. Well, he might be hungry enough to call the meat loaf in the trash food, but it doesn't make it, you know...NOT trash.
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Btw kk and destor, i never said 'Good wrestler' I just said his theme music means he doesn't suck. Though he is decent in the ring to...I agree with the person who mentioned the 'buzz' thing though, i get that sense to.
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Jeff reminds you of Sabu because he stole his entire style from a combination of Sabu adn RVD.

It's fucking about time for people to catch that. In TNA jeff went as far as doing arabian facebuster's in the ring. I like jeff and I think Sabu is fucking amazing, but Sabu is more original. Destor is right when he says he copied RVD and Sabu, look at ANY Hardy Boyz match. Hm... Lets see, using partner to jump off of into corner hmm I remember that move was called air sabu with rvd as the partner to jump off of. Or the stereo leg drops that sabu and rvd were famous for. But back to Jeff's in ring talent. In TNA he was awesome and good like back in the day with all the tlc matches. Now its the same old shit in all of his matches.... Think about it...
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Jeff Hardy, trash or not, > both WWE world champions right now
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Btw kk and destor, i never said 'Good wrestler' I just said his theme music means he doesn't suck. Though he is decent in the ring to...I agree with the person who mentioned the 'buzz' thing though, i get that sense to.
And I thought the statement was so fucking stupid, I opted to mock it.
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Old 02-08-2007, 05:28 PM   #61
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Jeff Hardy, trash or not, > both WWE world champions right now
The phraase "No. Just No." Is so inadequate right now.
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QUOTE***>Stealing from a legend is one thing, steeling from a guy still needing to make a living is another. Like Punk steeling KENTA's combo, that's just disrespectful as shows a total lack of creativity. While incorporating one of the all time greats moves is a tribute.

Pretty big difference really. Ric Flair will still be Ric Flair despite who does what. Sabu is less likely to get a contract if they already "have one of those" on thier roster.<***QUOTE

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ok I think were getting a little ahead of ourselfs here. Isnt the reason we watch wrestling in the first place, is to be entertained?
If you arnt "entertained" by Jeff thats your problem.
I am entertained by him. So thats all that matters to me.
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Old 02-08-2007, 05:50 PM   #63
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Weak.
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Way weak. If you cant even do the quote thing... I know I am not even close to being vetern in the TPWW forums, but still. I dont know how current jeff hardy can be entertaining. I dont blame him in the WWE, now because they make him lame. But still he isnt original. Even the swanton came from the senton...
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Way weak. If you cant even do the quote thing... I know I am not even close to being vetern in the TPWW forums, but still. I dont know how current jeff hardy can be entertaining. I dont blame him in the WWE, now because they make him lame. But still he isnt original. Even the swanton came from the senton...
Yeah, last time I saw you quote someone you didn't do it properly either.

As far as the Swanton crack goes, Taker uses the Tombstone, but OMG THAT CAME FROM DA PILEDRIVER! Randy Orton uses the RKO, but OMG THAT COMES FROM THA NECKBREAKER! Edge uses the Impaler, but OMG THAT COMES FROM THE DDT!

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ok I think were getting a little ahead of ourselfs here. Isnt the reason we watch wrestling in the first place, is to be entertained?
If you arnt "entertained" by Jeff thats your problem.
I am entertained by him. So thats all that matters to me.
I watch wrestling to be entertained. Watching some spot monkey rip off another spot monkey diminishes both spot monkeys to me.

Sure, you can say plagiarism is good as longs as you're entertained, but it doesn't make Jeff any better than Vanilla Ice.
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I could give a fuck about the quote tags. It's the whole everyone has a right to their opinions bullshit that's weak. If you aren't going to propose a decent argument as to why I'm wrong, then fuck off. I don't care who you like. If you don't like what I'm saying, thats cool, debate me. If you want to blow Jeff HArdy go somewhere else and do it or at least give a fucking REASON as to why you like his cock in your mouth.

That or shut the fuck up.
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:14 PM   #70
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Dont exactly get where your going with this one, but ok...
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:31 PM   #71
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At least I have a legitimate excuse for liking Jeff Hardy.

The man supplies my pot.
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Old 02-08-2007, 06:33 PM   #72
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If you can admit to liking trash, then thats great. I watch CZW. Yeah I do. But I know it's trash. I don't try to defend it as otherwise. And it's no different for AJ "faggot" Styles fans. Don't lie to yourself and it's all good.

But Jeff Hardy is trash.
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Old 02-08-2007, 11:57 PM   #73
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Actually I think I just did debate you. I said my opinion at the END of my point. So if you want a debate I just gave it to you.

Its funny how you would make fun of me for stating an obv debate to which YOU dont debate ME on.

You say you want to argue with my point of view. Then do it. Dont smeer shit all over what is a possible candidate for a good argument.
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Old 02-09-2007, 01:45 AM   #74
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And I thought the statement was so fucking stupid, I opted to mock it.

And in the process of mocking it, you make yourself look stupid, well done man!
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Old 02-09-2007, 01:47 AM   #75
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But Jeff Hardy is trash.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree then eh?
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Old 02-09-2007, 10:28 AM   #76
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And in the process of mocking it, you make yourself look stupid, well done man!
Only to you, the guy who didn't understand he was being mocked. So whatever.
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