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Old 08-09-2007, 10:58 AM   #1
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I'm baffled that there are people who think ROH has more physcology then WWE, there are maybe one or two guys in ROH who had good physcology, and most aren't there anymore, and it's for a reason.
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Old 08-09-2007, 11:01 AM   #2
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I think what Alienoid was saying is that most WWE matches follow the same script, face gets a shine, gets beat up, does his comeback sequence, go home.

In ROH you have more or a back and forth match, that goes against the grain of what is expected of a normal standard WWE style match, but in general terms is more realistic as a fight, as no one guys tends to get offence for 10 minutes at a time without winning
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Back and forth is all good, if you know how to work, that's the problem in ROH and why their matches are so long and boring at time, becuase they dont even have basic physcology down .
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Old 08-09-2007, 11:40 AM   #4
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no, there's a difference between being groggy and "out of it" and then you get hit with a closeline, dropkick, etc... If a monster like Kane hits you with a chokeslam, powerslam, etc.. I expect the guy to be out of it for a little. This then byes Kane some time to go to the top rope.

But then there's guys who stand there and who you can tell are getting ready for a move. It's stupid and not logical at all.
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Both Dave and IC hit what I was saying.

You CAN have a match that's nearly all spots. Some Dragongate matches are a great example. The crowd loves them. However, watching 5 or 6 matches like that in a row.. Hell, watching 2 or 3 matches like that in a row, can be overkill. It's a matter of how much the crowd is into it. If the crowd loves a crazy spot match, and pops like crazy for it, put it on the card. But if you do one match after the match, the crowd will get bored of them, especially when you have to work so hard to top the previous spot.

That's the one thing Dragongate can do amazing well. Build spots. They can make the next spot even better, without making it utterly retarded. Also, I love their silly 8 man holds and suplexs.
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Also, I love their silly 8 man holds and suplexs.
That is what is ruining wrestling :foc: ...I wish there was an angerier face.
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That is what is ruining wrestling :foc: ...I wish there was an angerier face.
You probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the DG comedy matches. They aren't meant to be taken seriously. I'm pretty sure when you see an 8 man arm wringer, with the referee besting all the wrestlers, it's not to be taken seriously.

When TNA does an 8 man superplex powerbomb backdrop for a spot, it's retarded.

When guys in Dragongate do their wacky shit, it's meant to be funny.
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Old 08-09-2007, 02:46 PM   #8
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You probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the DG comedy matches. They aren't meant to be taken seriously. I'm pretty sure when you see an 8 man arm wringer, with the referee besting all the wrestlers, it's not to be taken seriously.

When TNA does an 8 man superplex powerbomb backdrop for a spot, it's retarded.

When guys in Dragongate do their wacky shit, it's meant to be funny.
You probably have no idea what I'm talking about then.

Anyhow, I think we can both agree White Zombie rules.
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Old 08-09-2007, 06:30 PM   #9
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You probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about the DG comedy matches. They aren't meant to be taken seriously. I'm pretty sure when you see an 8 man arm wringer, with the referee besting all the wrestlers, it's not to be taken seriously.

When TNA does an 8 man superplex powerbomb backdrop for a spot, it's retarded.

When guys in Dragongate do their wacky shit, it's meant to be funny.
I'm going to agree with BDC and say that that is one thing that is killing wrestling. Even with "comedy" matches, matches should NEVER so openly and obviously expose the business.

There's "haha" funny and then there's "this shit's obviously fake, even if it's funny" funny. Unfortunately there's a fine line there and a lot of indy wrestlers/promotions walk it and cross it too often.

And there's a HUGE difference between an over the top outside the ring gimmick and a match.
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I'm going to agree with BDC and say that that is one thing that is killing wrestling. Even with "comedy" matches, matches should NEVER so openly and obviously expose the business.

There's "haha" funny and then there's "this shit's obviously fake, even if it's funny" funny. Unfortunately there's a fine line there and a lot of indy wrestlers/promotions walk it and cross it too often.

And there's a HUGE difference between an over the top outside the ring gimmick and a match.
I guess I can somewhat agree with that, well the bit about "this shit's obviously fake, even if it's funny" funny. I think it is a bit extreme to be saying that this is killing wrestling, though.

If you think of professional wresting as a sport (and you have to if you are to take it completely seriously), then just think of comedy matches as the mascots getting on the field during half-time and mucking around in a "game" between the two.

Comedy matches should be taken on a different level to other matches. The idea isn't so much about winning and losing, as it is putting on the best show, getting the paycheck, and being the funniest so you hopefully get another booking.

What I wouldn't mind seeing, is a comedy wrestler in a promotion like Dragon Gate (where they actually have an "Open the Owarai Gate Championship," which is a comedy championship) get called out by a serious wrestler for "not taking his sport seriously." The comedy wrestler the trains to become a serious competitor, and begins a program with the serious wrestler. It would help the comedy guy get a proper foot in the business, and it would put where comedy lies in the business into perspective.
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I'm going to agree with BDC and say that that is one thing that is killing wrestling. Even with "comedy" matches, matches should NEVER so openly and obviously expose the business.

There's "haha" funny and then there's "this shit's obviously fake, even if it's funny" funny. Unfortunately there's a fine line there and a lot of indy wrestlers/promotions walk it and cross it too often.

And there's a HUGE difference between an over the top outside the ring gimmick and a match.
Unfortunately, like with movies, some people have a hardon for really stupid shit, and will turn a blind eye.
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Yes, I agree totally. White Zombie does rule.
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Yes. But really, that whole CD is amazing, and I love the intro to I Am Legend.
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Yes. But really, that whole CD is amazing, and I love the intro to I Am Legend.
Yes. And Make/Let them Die Slowly kinda sucks.
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Soul Crusher isn't that great either from what Ive heard... Their early stuff sounds really... Meh quality wise.
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I agree totally. Do you agree one of the best things they did was break up after Astrocreep? I mean Rob's stuff post White Zombie sucks in comparison. Also, I hate when people just lump it all together the way people sometime lump Misfits and Danzig together.
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I agree totally. Do you agree one of the best things they did was break up after Astrocreep? I mean Rob's stuff post White Zombie sucks in comparison. Also, I hate when people just lump it all together the way people sometime lump Misfits and Danzig together.
You know, I'm not sure... I totally agree that Rob's stuff post Zombie sucks in comparrison, and to be honest, his last CD was just bad. So in a sense, I think them breaking up preserved White Zombie as a really good bad, who hit their stride and quit before they went down hill.

At the same time though, I wonder if White Zombie could have put a bit of a leash on Rob, keeping the monster and horror movie overtones to a acceptable level, kept it a little heavier, and put out at least one more good cd. That'd really just depend on how much influence the rest of the band had over the music though. Granted we'll never know.. Rob himself though took the horror/movie theme farther than I think White Zombie ever would of, and the quality went down because of it.
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He would selling an injury for months even on interviews. Just look how he takes on Kevin Nash at SS 95.. even the finish is realistic. Also the first time someone went thru the announcer table (apparently)

He works Kevin Nash's legs , bites him, rake in the eyes..loses all the fist fights.. he ties kevin nash to the fucking ring post and attacks him from different angles.

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Shut the fuck up. This is about psychology or white zombie. Not just saying bret hart. Hart had decent psychology, but saying Bart Farkin' Fart doesn't prove anything. douche bag.
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Howabout Kurt FREAKIN' Angle?
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