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Old 09-03-2007, 09:03 PM   #41
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I also remember this. You are an awesome poster, I like you.
Yeah, but I love him so back off
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:09 PM   #42
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No, I'm asking if four years is really so short, compared to many others that have been to the top of the WWE's card.
Which is utterly retarded or completely dishonest. Are you a con or a moron, Pep?
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:21 PM   #43
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HHH is way bigger then i remember..
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Old 09-03-2007, 09:22 PM   #44
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Which is utterly retarded or completely dishonest. Are you a con or a moron, Pep?
I'm failing to see what you're trying to say.
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Old 09-03-2007, 11:38 PM   #45
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so he does swing that way after all
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Old 09-04-2007, 05:54 PM   #46
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HHH is way bigger then i remember..
I almost wish I didn't neg rep you on an earlier post...so I could've done it again. Anywho..time to spread some rep.
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Old 09-04-2007, 07:05 PM   #47
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why be mean? .. it is true.. he is bigger than b4..
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Old 09-04-2007, 09:01 PM   #48
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:17 AM   #49
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He's how I view Hunter...

Michaels and the Kliq put him on the map, Foley and The Rock got him massively over, and Stephanie made him 4_lyfe. HOWEVER, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone, anyone who can work a match like he can. I mean seriously, most MotY contenders from 1999-2004 involved HHH. And let's be honest, everyone, everywhere who has ever been really over to a true international level owes a couple of people for getting them to that spot. I think Hunter is perfectly right in demanding some of the new boys shut up and step up their game significantly before they begin to bitch about not moving up fast enough or not getting used enough.
I agree with the first sentence. Triple H seems to be under the impression that he made himself, though. That's just bullshit. I can't remember his exact quote, but something popped up last year about him trying to keep Mick Foley out of the WWE for some reason that reflected ironically on the fact that Foley busted his ass into making Triple H something. I mean, the guy just sounds like a dick.

Triple H is not a bad wrestler by any means. In fact, he is a great wrestler. I think you are heavily overrating him, though. Of course the guy was in a lot of the MOTY candidates...the guy had the WWE in a vise until 2004, which is the final year you mentioned. I mean, I know you don't buy into the "guys are held down" thing, but honestly, how many people had the opportunity to wrestle in epic matches Triple H was not involved in during the years you mentioned? Especially since the brand split? Of course he has a lot of MOTY candidates to his name. Val Venis, Stevie Richards, Billy Gunn, Hardcore Holly or any competent wrestler could have done the exact same thing if they fucked the boss' daughter, and got placed in the same position as Triple H in 1999/2000. Triple H is not at the top because of his wrestling ability. He is at the top because people bent over backwards to get him to where he is.

I think the best case you make for Triple H is that it was him started nailing Stephanie, which was a brilliant career move. If you can credit a guy for being a snake in the grass, and politicking his way to the top, then go for gold with Triple H. I personally think it is damn hypocritical for Triple H to then turn around and say "earn your way." Triple H certainly wasn't stupid with his career moves (like a certain Randy Orton), but the guy certainly didn't "earn his way."

Another thing Triple H has going for him, is that he played his role well enough. He was accepted as a top heel. Some guys would get to where he is, and fail completely. Triple H is not at the top because of his talent, but when he got there, he used his talent. He could have just fucked Stephanie and become complacent. Triple H is a politician first, however, and a great wrestler second, and statements like his just reinforce that.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:44 AM   #50
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My point is he does know, so him telling people to quit whining about how they should be in the main event five minutes after they debut is perfectly fair. As for "stories from guys who worked in the WWE", I honestly feel these all have to be taken with a grain of salt. Plenty of stories I've read from guys that have left the WWE have not spoken ill of "The Game". Professional wrestlers should almost never be seen as completely honest.
I disagree. Triple H telling them to sleep with a McMahon, get powerful friends, and be willing to suck is perfectly fair. Triple H is not a Chris Benoit. It took Benoit fifteen years to win his first World Championship, and that's if you count his WCW Title reign, which was completely political. His next World Title win came in 2004, putting at the time he spent "paying his dues" at around nineteen years.

Randy Orton only made his debut four years before winning his World Championship. Triple H is one of Orton's biggest advocates, if you believe what you hear (and what we are seeing supports that). Now, looking at the young guys who have complained about where they are, the only one I can think of is Carlito, who made his debut in 1999. I'm not sure which month, but Carlito is actually the more experience of the two. Hell, Carlito is actually more experienced than the current WWE Champion. The former ECW Champion made his in-ring debut in 2003. Carlito beats that by the same duration it took Triple H to pay his dues in the WWE.

It also makes no sense for Triple H to tell guys to work their way to the top, when 1) He himself owes his career to other people, and 2) The guy he wants to beat John Cena for the WWE Championship, and John Cena himself, are less experienced than the guys whining. If Triple H's point is that guys should work to the top, the WWE itself is the hypocritical answer to that. John Cena, Randy Orton, Bobby Lashley and Brock Lesnar all made their debuts in the 2000's. They aren't all that old, are they? Everybody should be held to the same standard, in my opinion, and that clearly isn't happening.
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Old 09-07-2007, 11:39 AM   #51
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You're discrediting Triple H's work, because your dislike for the man can't let you see it. The "He owes his career to other people." line is so ridiculous, because the argument can be made that every wrestling superstar "owes his career to other people".
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