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Old 11-11-2007, 07:36 PM   #1
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And I mean, really, you can chalk it up to that strawman assertion that I think he couldn't possibly be putting effort into it, but that's basically ignoring what I said in the first place.

Cena's a football player. I'm assuming he has, in fact, busted his ass since high school. There's a finite cap on anyone's natural ability, and one expects that someone who is in his prime and busting his ass will probably cap before 25 or so, realistically. Why? It physically becomes harder after your mid twenties to maintain what you have, let alone to get more cut and larger muscles on a larger touring schedule.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:20 PM   #2
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Narc has made some really good points here. We may never know whether Cena has roided or not but I do remember reading about him as Prototype and seeing photos about 6 or 7 years ago and he looked a lot more like someone on steroids back then.

KK - the argument about Eddie and Hurricane not having the 'roid belly' or other characteristics that Narc mentioned is retarded. Come on, you should know that every drug affects every single person in a different way. There's always exceptions, every wrestler was not taking the same drug and steroids affect bigger guys and smaller guys a lot differently.

Narc just ignore KK's underhanded comments. His worst weapon is accusing you of doing the very things he does himself (underhanded, childish comments; replying with an offensive quip when he can't think of a decent reply). You've made a lot of sense here Narc.

Oh and finally, if there is one person in this thread who I know has absolutely no credibility when it comes to talking about physical exercise, 'busting your ass', training or whatever - it's the big fat lazy Kane Knight who probably could barely run the length of himself or lift his own fat head out of his ass.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:20 PM   #3
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Narc has made some really good points here. We may never know whether Cena has roided or not but I do remember reading about him as Prototype and seeing photos about 6 or 7 years ago and he looked a lot more like someone on steroids back then.

KK - the argument about Eddie and Hurricane not having the 'roid belly' or other characteristics that Narc mentioned is retarded. Come on, you should know that every drug affects every single person in a different way. There's always exceptions, every wrestler was not taking the same drug and steroids affect bigger guys and smaller guys a lot differently.

Narc just ignore KK's underhanded comments. His worst weapon is accusing you of doing the very things he does himself (underhanded, childish comments; replying with an offensive quip when he can't think of a decent reply). You've made a lot of sense here Narc.

Oh and finally, if there is one person in this thread who I know has absolutely no credibility when it comes to talking about physical exercise, 'busting your ass', training or whatever - it's the big fat lazy Kane Knight who probably could barely run the length of himself or lift his own fat head out of his ass.
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:21 PM   #4
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just so everyone sees that
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:27 PM   #5
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Cena just had a muscle tear which happens to people who take steriods.
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Old 11-12-2007, 02:25 PM   #6
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Cena just had a muscle tear which happens to people who take steriods.
Dude, one of my bosses (at an accounting firm mind you) tore a muscle in his leg while rafting or something when he was tossed out and landed funny. He doesn't do 'roids (and if he does, he needs to get his money back).
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Old 11-11-2007, 08:29 PM   #7
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It also happens to people... just people.
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Cena has a muscle - which happens to people who take steroids.

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Old 11-11-2007, 08:41 PM   #9
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Cena has the busiest schedule of like any WWE champion ever.

There isn't enough hours in the day for Cena to keep a body like that without performance enhancing drugs.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:39 PM   #10
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Cena has the busiest schedule of like any WWE champion ever.

There isn't enough hours in the day for Cena to keep a body like that without performance enhancing drugs.
Good try, though.
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Old 11-11-2007, 10:32 PM   #11
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:20 AM   #12
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I hope he isn't a liar about this.
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Old 11-12-2007, 12:18 PM   #13
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I hope he isn't a liar about this.
Don't worry, only hosses do steroids. It's true. People like Brock Lesnar do it, not people like Cena, Edge, the Hurricane, or Eddie and Chavo.

(Hey, everyone else is making retarded strawmen, I wanted in).

I'd put good money on Cena doing steroids, honestly. I mean, I know he'll never get fired from WWE for it, but neither will Triple H. I'm sure he even has a prescription and everything. I mean, presumably Edge and Orton and Hurrican and Chavo passed screenings, like John Cena did. After the Signature Pharmacy scandal, any argument of "I passed, so I'm not on them" becomes a dishonest one. If you're on them, and have a prescription, you'll pass. Look at the massive ammount Benoit was prescribed. There were too many people in the Signature Pharmacy scandal to be a statistical anomaly. And all those folks who denied taking drugs before being proven to be taking them are a decent example of the level of bullshit in any such argument.

(But they were all hosses, so Cena can't be on drugs!)
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I just don't want to find out he lies. I be happy if he say he do them before if he did. Just no lies is what I mean.
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I just don't want to find out he lies. I be happy if he say he do them before if he did. Just no lies is what I mean.
What the fuck is the matter with this guy?

Learn proper english... fuck
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What the fuck is the matter with this guy?

Learn proper english... fuck

I just don't want to find out he lies. I be happy if he say he do them before if he did. Just no lies is what I mean.

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I just don't want to find out he lies. I'd be happy if he said he's done them before, if he had. Justno lies is what I mean.
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Old 11-12-2007, 02:17 PM   #17
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I just don't want to find out he lies. I be happy if he say he do them before if he did. Just no lies is what I mean.
Everybody lies.

(Normally I'd cite this as a House line, but since he's probably on after your bed time...).

No, but seriously, I would put good money on it. If we had a way to go out and clinically test Cena, I'd actually lay down cash that he's lying through his teeth.
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Everybody lies.

(Normally I'd cite this as a House line, but since he's probably on after your bed time...).

No, but seriously, I would put good money on it. If we had a way to go out and clinically test Cena, I'd actually lay down cash that he's lying through his teeth.
you lie.



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everybody rite?
I never lie.

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Now who's copping out, KK? Nobody ever said that only hosses take steroids, you said that. I pointed out that the bigger men are more likely to show the typical symptoms of people that are abusing roids. Because if you've already taken one shorcut, what's the harm in taking a few hundred more right? I'm not saying that all big men are steroid abusers, but surely you can agree that Sid and Hogan were most likely abusing performance enhancing drugs a bit more than a guy like Edge that took them after a pretty drastic neck surgery.

I'm not saying that I don't believe Cena ever took roids because he isn't a hoss, I'm saying I don't think he did roids because there is absolutely no reason to believe that he did. This "drastic change" from early 2005 to late 2005 seems completely fabricated and made up considering you haven't found it neccesary to provide any sort of proof thus far. Interviews with his old trainers indicate that he was a complete gym rat, and worked out an average of about 10 hours a day. An old documentary where Cena was in UPW showed him going to the grocery store buying like 6 gallons of milk, 7 cartons of eggs, countless packs of chicken breast, and whatever else FOR THE WEEK. The dude knows how to eat like a guy that wants to bulk. He was a bodybuilder years before his WWE tenure in which he was just as big or bigger than he is right now. Once again, I won't say that Cena didn't take them but I will say that I just don't think he did. No reason to believe that he did other than the fact that you don't want to believe that he's superman.
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Now who's copping out, KK? Nobody ever said that only hosses take steroids, you said that.
LMFAO!

Seriously, LMFAO!
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I'm not saying that all big men are steroid abusers, but surely you can agree that Sid and Hogan were most likely abusing performance enhancing drugs a bit more than a guy like Edge that took them after a pretty drastic neck surgery.
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All those roids must have went straight from his neck to his abs.
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Meaning that you turned what I said into saying that only big men roid. Honestly, you can take things out of context all you'd like. The facts remain the same. I don't mind at all that you're 'CNNing" me in an arguement that you're clearly losing. It's kind of cute.
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Meaning that you turned what I said into saying that only big men roid. Honestly, you can take things out of context all you'd like. The facts remain the same. I don't mind at all that you're 'CNNing" me in an arguement that you're clearly losing. It's kind of cute.
Meaning you ignored the comments I actually made in favor of arguing the one I even deliberately labeled as a strawman. Meaning you're bitching about me doing something you've frequently done yourself. Meaning you're talking about "winning" or "losing" an argument on an internet message board.

You really can't discuss the matter, that's why you ignored the serious argument and attacked the joke argument. You've got nothing, beyond ELVIS DIDN'T DO NO DRUGS, and so you're going after what you can, instead of what you can't. What you can do is attack the ridiculousness of a deliberately ridiculous argument which was marked as such. What you can't seem to do is argue the other dozen or so paragraphs up there.

Meaning, LMFAO!
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What you can't do KK, is simply provide evidence for what you're trying to state as fact. It's a bit hard to get into a legitimate discussion with somebody that says outlandish things with no proof. You accuse me of ignoring other paragraphs that you've previously posted, I accuse you of ignoring that fact that you have yet to provide anything to this arguement that isn't simply an opinion. Until you do so, I will continue to ignore what you have to say because it holds no relevance.

So seriously, LMFAO!11111
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Yeah, not to mention the dates on the signature pharmacy deal didn't coincide with his "rehab."

Not to mention most wrestlers don't bulk up that much, having returned from injury.

Though I'm sure the counter argument is "I don't see any difference."
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There is clearly a signifigant difference. I believe my arguement was that guys like Edge haven't abused them as much as guys like Hogan and Sid. Which is entirely true. Of course Edge did steroids, there's no doubt about it. I don't think it's fair to assume that all of his muscle gains came from steroids because he very well could've done some of it the old fashioned way. Same with Cena.

Your arguement regarding Edge is a bit dull though, Wadding. If you're already taking roids to rehabilitate from an injury then why wouldn't you take full advantage of the effects? Of course he's going to work out more than just his neck.
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There is clearly a signifigant difference. I believe my arguement was that guys like Edge haven't abused them as much as guys like Hogan and Sid. Which is entirely true. Of course Edge did steroids, there's no doubt about it. I don't think it's fair to assume that all of his muscle gains came from steroids because he very well could've done some of it the old fashioned way. Same with Cena.

Your arguement regarding Edge is a bit dull though, Wadding. If you're already taking roids to rehabilitate from an injury then why wouldn't you take full advantage of the effects? Of course he's going to work out more than just his neck.
Well, good thing I dont have an argument then. Just a point about how you're using the EXACT SAME argument. And so, if my argument is weak, yours is...
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Arguing use versus abuse is another strawman, Narc.
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HAHA

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KK everyone can see it, just fuck off now please.
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John Cena, US champion.


John Cena, World Champion.


LLLLLLLEEEEEET's get ready to shut the fuck up!

You can make the "there is no noticeable difference" argument for Edge above, can you not? The apparent visible difference is insignificant, if present at all. But guess who's still on fucking steroids? The Gregory Helms argument was never really refuted, either--the changes aren't noticeable, but obviously, he still fucking did steroids. Just because the changes aren't totally wtf obvious doesn't mean it's not happening.

Am I saying Cena's on roids? No. I'm saying that it's absolutely fucking dense to call the idea "outlandish." It's not a crazy fucking concept--John Cena has progressively worked into a more and more demanding, time consuming schedule with little to no physical alterations in his physique, except for arguably getting bigger. This makes hardly any fucking sense.

Is it possible that John Cena is really some sort of Herculean hero who is willing to work a ridiculous schedule, be depended on as the forefront of the company week in and week out, make major appearances to promote his company and those of his sponsors/sign autographs etc., and still take the time out of his insane schedule to maintain the shape he had when he was still a pup in OVW, back when all he really had to do was show up to the same fucking venue once a week? Yeah, I guess it's possible.

Is it also possible that he's taking steroids? Short answer for a simpler scenario : Yes.

Now I'm going to wait for someone to tell me I chose bad pictures, or some other sissy bullshit.
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John Cena, US champion.


John Cena, World Champion.


LLLLLLLEEEEEET's get ready to shut the fuck up!

You can make the "there is no noticeable difference" argument for Edge above, can you not? The apparent visible difference is insignificant, if present at all. But guess who's still on fucking steroids? The Gregory Helms argument was never really refuted, either--the changes aren't noticeable, but obviously, he still fucking did steroids. Just because the changes aren't totally wtf obvious doesn't mean it's not happening.

Am I saying Cena's on roids? No. I'm saying that it's absolutely fucking dense to call the idea "outlandish." It's not a crazy fucking concept--John Cena has progressively worked into a more and more demanding, time consuming schedule with little to no physical alterations in his physique, except for arguably getting bigger. This makes hardly any fucking sense.

Is it possible that John Cena is really some sort of Herculean hero who is willing to work a ridiculous schedule, be depended on as the forefront of the company week in and week out, make major appearances to promote his company and those of his sponsors/sign autographs etc., and still take the time out of his insane schedule to maintain the shape he had when he was still a pup in OVW, back when all he really had to do was show up to the same fucking venue once a week? Yeah, I guess it's possible.

Is it also possible that he's taking steroids? Short answer for a simpler scenario : Yes.

Now I'm going to wait for someone to tell me I chose bad pictures, or some other sissy bullshit.
Dude are you on crack? Look at the definitive features of his torso. HE IS THE SAME SIZE! His neck, his arms, his forearms everything is the same size!

The only difference is that one photo is shot professionally with lighting from above casting shadow down over the muscles on his body and thus make them appear more defined. It's photography 101.

The photo has been toned and he has a better tan job. Apart from that he's the same size!

I'm not saying he hasn't taken steroids but... fuck!
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The only difference is that one photo is shot professionally with lighting from above casting shadow down over the muscles on his body and thus make them appear more defined. It's photography 101.
How kind of you to demonstrate. =] Instead of addressing anything I actually said, you seem to have just looked at the pictures. Yay, pictures! When I have more time, I'll be sure to Google some more fucking pictures--in ring this time, so I can demonstrate the difference in muscle definition without the "OMG, THEY USED DIFFERENT LIGHTING IN THIS PROMOTIONAL IMAGE VS THIS PROMOTIONAL IMAGE" argument.
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For some reason, I'm laughing at John Cena's underwear band showing in both pictures. I know it's the fashion, but for some reason....
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I am not hear to defend Cena but y do u guys think that the schedual is too hard for everybody? I no that some guy got family and that it it tough or that they are older now and don't like it no more. Some young guys that got no family and are still excited about the job I don't think find the schedual hard.
I say I hope Cena not lying about the facts and why we say he is? -This country is innocent before guilty-
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Yes you are. U r thear 2 defend Cena.

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Alienoid argument. Nobody's saying the schedule it too hard for everybody.

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I no that some guy got family and that it it tough or that they are older now and don't like it no more. Some young guys that got no family and are still excited about the job I don't think find the schedual hard.
A lot of people talk about it being hard, even the new, young guys. Nobody's saying it's too hard, but then, most wrestlers don't also do the promotional shit Cena does.

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Umm...They're not facts.

I also never said conclusively Cena does steroids, though I'd bet money on it. There's a logical process behind that, namely that the man increased his schedule and still got a better physique, even though he says he's been busting his ass since he was in school. You don't see that kind of progression logically.

The problem is, we don't have facts.

WWE is under investigation because they may have defrauded their shareholders with the wellness policy. It's a fact that people who were doing steroids were on their roster, even though McMahon and other people claimed thorough testing.

Cena says he's never done steroids and uses these same tests as proof. You know, the ones that Regal (Who claimed he never did steroids) and company passed. Passing those tests does not prove that you're not on steroids, it at best proves that you're not on illegal steroids. IF you want to know how well the Wellness policy works, as Nancy Benoit.

Oh, right.

She's fucking dead.

Because a psychotic motherfucker who has passed the Wellness Policy's screenings, who was in line to be ECW champion, killed her and her son before hanging himself. And while his brain was damaged, which was probably the primary culprit, he had steroids in his system, and had been receiving them regularly.

The Wellness Policy is complete shit. The screening is so worthless that it let more than a dozen people through, and those are JUST the ones caught in the signature scandal.

Cena has toed the line on this Policy completely. He's been the company boy all the way, and in doing so, he's a liar. Does that prove he's on steroids? No. But he is a liar. Nor does his argument contain any facts pertinent to proving he doesn't do steroids.

Nor have I indicated he should go to jail. "Innocent until proven guilty" is not a shield from speculation or investigation. When someone wants to lynch the motherfucker for being a lying, two-face, steroid user, we'll talk.
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Hey Avenger. Did the lighting give him bigger arms and better defined abs? Better curves?

Seriously, as gay as that last part sounds, light is fucking amazing. It works miracles.
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