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View Poll Results: Heartbreak Kid or The Hitman?
Shawn Michaels 43 58.11%
Bret Hart 31 41.89%
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:17 AM   #41
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Old 12-12-2007, 06:51 AM   #42
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As much as it pains me to say it, HBK for me. When I think back to my markish youth, Bret was a god to me, and because of the way he was marketed towards Kids, I never paid that much attention to heels (which Shawn was for most of the early 90's).

I say HBK because he can reinvent himself and appeal to new fans and old alike. Pretty much like the Undertaker.

Bret just seems whiny, and to reinforce my "reinvention theory", I remember watching the documentary called "Hitman Hart: Wrestling with shadows" or something like that. Bret was whining saying that his character had been screwed so he couldn't stay with WWE even if they could offer him money. Saying he was a face in Canada and a heel in America...blah blah blah...and he could never go back to being a face in America.

Sorry Bret, but if guys like Christian, Test, Regal and Storm can go from Un-American to being loved by the people of the States, then you too should be capable of such a feat and stop whining!
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Old 12-12-2007, 10:15 AM   #43
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Old 12-12-2007, 11:49 AM   #44
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I watched Wrestling with Shadows again the other day.

"All I can do is punch Vince in the face, and then let it go" - ROFL. Okay Bret

I actually can't help but laugh at how much of a miserable cunt his wife was, and how HHH is literally holding back laughing when she's yelling at him.
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Old 12-12-2007, 12:02 PM   #45
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I actually can't help but laugh at how much of a miserable cunt his wife was, and how HHH is literally holding back laughing when she's yelling at him.
That never happened so don't lie.
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Old 12-12-2007, 12:21 PM   #47
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I'm going to guess it goes without saying, but I voted Michaels. The reasons are overwhelming but I throw some out there...

1) Shawn Michaels probably has more 5 star matches than...well...anyone and everyone...combined...times two. The fact of the matter is I can't really think of even 5 matches that I would give 5 stars to that didn't have Michaels in them.

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2) The Heartbreak Kid is possibly one of the most interesting characters in history. I mean think about the evolution from The Rockers, to then uber heel cocky prick, to being face icon good ol boy from Texas, hilarious rebel of DX, worn down but not out return, to once again returning to being the Show Stealer. I mean honestly, he's got the Texas country boy vibe, he's got the top of the world model vibe, he's been dominate and he's been at the end of his rope. He's done it all, and he's done it as himself. One of the best characters ever.

3) Face...heel...he does both better than basically anyone else and he can switch it back and forth in the blink of an eye.

4) Is he is a complete prick without a soul? Is he a reformed good Christian now? Maybe, just maybe, he's somewhere in between. He's human, and I can't think of too many other wrestlers who have been more open and honest about their humanity than him. In character or out, he's been open about the fact that he's made mistakes and he's done a lot of great things. Haven't we all? The difference is that I don't think he shys away from being open about either...

5) He's the reason I kept watching WWE after Flair left. For personal reasons, that's worth a lot.

6) You ask me, with no Shawn Michaels, there would have been no Stone Cold and no Rocky. Michaels style of out there colorful antics mixed with totally legit bad ass paved the way for guys like Rock and Austin to not be kissing babies face or evil evil heel.

7) Degeneration X. A couple of chapters in the Michaels' legacy, yet probably bigger than 99.9% of all other wrestler's entire lives.

8) I've heard it said, and I can see where this came from, nWo was basically trying to capture HBK's character in a gang like mentality.

9) WrestleMania XIV - Between him, Austin blowing up bigger than any wrestler had ever dreamed of (yes bigger than Hogan), Tyson, the match, the anticipation, his injury he worked through...honestly I'm blown away every single time I see that match. If I had to define my being a fan of pro wrestling into one match, it would probably be Mania XIV.

10) Bret Hart is a complete bitch. I hate him, I hate his fans, I hate the fact that at one time I actually thought he was decent.
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Old 12-12-2007, 12:49 PM   #48
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But...But...Without lies, the argument against Bret has nearly nothing!
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Old 12-12-2007, 12:52 PM   #49
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That never happened so don't lie.
Uh, yeah it did. She was going on and on about what goes around comes around. And how he shouldn't lie cause she knew he was in on it. It's in the freakin' movie.
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:28 PM   #50
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:50 PM   #51
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Uh, yeah it did. She was going on and on about what goes around comes around. And how he shouldn't lie cause she knew he was in on it. It's in the freakin' movie.
hahah I know. The one I watch less than 12 hours ago. And he's clearly looking away, not very guilty but holding back a smirk. Then she makes references to it "you guys can go back to the hotel and have a good laugh, have a few beers"
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:59 PM   #52
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But...But...Without lies, the argument against Bret has nearly nothing!
That's the thing, Bret feels justified in his thinking and actions, and maybe he's not wrong, but he's not right either. He's delusional.
He thought that the WWE conspired against him because he was getting too powerful, and that Shawn had nothing to do with it.

He's more professional and honorable than Hogan. But in many ways he suffers from the same complex. He truly believes in being the Hitman and being this character and everything going his way on screen.
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:04 PM   #53
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That's the thing, Bret feels justified in his thinking and actions, and maybe he's not wrong, but he's not right either. He's delusional.
Those in glass houses....
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Old 12-12-2007, 02:05 PM   #54
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He's more professional and honorable than Hogan. But in many ways he suffers from the same complex. He truly believes in being the Hitman and being this character and everything going his way on screen.


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Those in glass houses....
...should not throw stones. I'm not delusional about anything. Bret Hart is lame and makes me sick. Fuck family values too. Shawn might be an asshole, but who cares. It's about who's a better performer and entertainer, and for me that's Shawn. And based on general criteria for judging greatness he should be the winner too.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:19 PM   #56
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Doesnt it bother some of you to know you love a fucking closet fag who got his shit kicked in by a couple cheerleaders in some gay bar? They were dressed like fuckin marines to boot, yowza.

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Shawn. Most of people's complaints about Bret are bullshit, but Shawn's still a stellar performer.
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Uh, yeah it did. She was going on and on about what goes around comes around. And how he shouldn't lie cause she knew he was in on it. It's in the freakin' movie.
But HHH had a look of a deer caught in the headlights. He was clearly not laughing
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:35 PM   #59
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HHH was scared shitless basically. A midcarder trying to pull something like that at the time? Not only would he have gotten his ass kicked by Bret, but you've got the remaining members of the Foundation there, and a lockerroom of guys who were legit pissed off about what happened. HHH is a talented sneak, but that's about all I will ever give him credit for being talented at.
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But HHH had a look of a deer caught in the headlights. He was clearly not laughing
I disagree. It always to me looked like he was amused by the entire thing, and doing an admitedly bad job of pretending to not know what was going on. But then again it's been years since I subjected myself to watching WwS.
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Zen, can I ask, I mean I know you're completely delusional about Bret legit toughness, I just want to hear your thoughts on if Bret would have ever gone in MMA...
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Fuck HBK, Bret Hart is by far better than Shawn Michaels in every possible way. As for anybody who criticises Bret Hart's promo skills, granted they were never the best, but he had enough emotion in his promos to make them feel real. HBK is shit at promos and bores the fuck out of me. His voice is also fucking annoying.
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Old 12-12-2007, 05:03 PM   #63
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Doesnt it bother some of you to know you love a fucking closet fag who got his shit kicked in by a couple cheerleaders in some gay bar? They were dressed like fuckin marines to boot, yowza.
Wrestling is a Queen's club. It will always involve fags getting beat up or beating people, because it's inherently gay. It attracts fags the same way it attracts drug abusers.

Anyone who's bothered is probably as big a closet case as Zen.
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Hart made wrestling look much more real than hbk ever did.It was Bret who made Austin.Hbk didnt want to job to Austin.Bret was a far more respectful champion than Hbk.Oh n bret kicked HBKS ass legit!
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Zen, can I ask, I mean I know you're completely delusional about Bret legit toughness, I just want to hear your thoughts on if Bret would have ever gone in MMA...
Doubt it.

But just because you dont do mma doesnt mean you arent tough either.

Bret was a pretty good amateur wrestler before he went pro, and when you learn alot from a shooter and badass like Stu, it's gonna rub off on you.

Hey, I'm not gonna lie, I wouldnt talk shit to Shawn's face, nor most any wrestler not named Spike Dudley, but yeah..Shawn had a good cry every now and then whenever Bret and his bunch started picking on him.

And in a legit fight, yes, Bret would plaster HBK. He'd plaster a lot of guys. Shawn didnt need to feel any shame for that.
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He did plaster him...
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But HHH had a look of a deer caught in the headlights. He was clearly not laughing
At least one person here saw it then.
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I disagree. It always to me looked like he was amused by the entire thing, and doing an admitedly bad job of pretending to not know what was going on. But then again it's been years since I subjected myself to watching WwS.
About time you watched it again then. Tool.
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yea, definately not laughing. I watched it just now
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About time you watched it again then. Tool.
Nah dude, I watched it today and I don't know about how worried he looks. He looks like a high schooler being yelled at by a substitute teacher. I think he could have easily started laughing.
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Obviously Rob is gonna stick to his guns, and Zen probably won't even see the same youtube as everyone else.
But I agree with Tovo.
Everyone else can be their own judge.





lol at 1:54
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Yeah, he wasn't going to laugh...
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He has his head buried and looking down..he can barely look at Julie while she is scolding him. "I swear to god I didnt.."

He has LOD nearby, two guys that'd smack the shit out of him anyway if they knew about the whole thing.
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I knew this shit would start up all over again.

So many people being faggoty bitches rn. Except TOVO, he's being a hetero bitch.
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Oh and I'd just like throw out there...

DX > Rockers > Bret & Jim

Just uh, well you know.

And hey Funky, the entire reason this thread was made was so that all this can take place here and not EVERYWHERE ELSE. Honestly it's getting old having Bret/Shawn be somehow brought into every thread. I think it's best we have one thread for this, and if ever people start up with it elsewhere direct them here so it doesn't spam the entire damn forum.
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Bret Hart is the fucking mantis. I just enjoy Shawns Feuds and in Ring work more.
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Oh and I'd just like throw out there...

DX > Rockers > Bret & Jim

Just uh, well you know.

And hey Funky, the entire reason this thread was made was so that all this can take place here and not EVERYWHERE ELSE. Honestly it's getting old having Bret/Shawn be somehow brought into every thread. I think it's best we have one thread for this, and if ever people start up with it elsewhere direct them here so it doesn't spam the entire damn forum.
Yeah, but it just gives terrible posters like McGyver a chance to rant.
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