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Old 02-22-2010, 09:25 AM   #41
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I was really hoping that the Shawn & Triple H locker room conversations would continue to Elimination Chamber. Perhaps they would have if they weren't so steadfast on Trips Vs Sheamus.

I would have had Trips continue being the voice of reason, constantly telling Shawn that he would find a way to fight Undertaker at Wrestlemania. Shawn continues with the paranoia that he would have.

Triple H would have won the WWE Championship.

Edge does his "I'm deciding tomorrow night" in the RAW locker room where Trips is doing his post-match routine with Shawn in the locker room. Edge weighs the pros and cons of Taker and Trips. He tells Trips that he doesn't have as much reason to fight him as he would the Undertaker. HBK begs him not to, but Edge says that we'll see but he wants his Wrestlemania revenge on Undertaker as well.

That leads up to the finish that we had to the pay-per-view that played out. I wouldn't change a thing about the finish. That was nicely executed.

Edge would have opened RAW announces that he wants Jericho at Wrestlemania. Undertaker comes to the ring and demands his rematch. Teddy Long comes out and apologises to Taker but Edge made up his mind and as the winner of the Royal Rumble he has preference in who he faces at Mania. He's going to have to wait for his rematch. Taker flips out and demands Shawn Michaels.

DX goes to the ring and Triple H offers Undertaker the DX challenge. At Wrestlemania for the WWE Championship he can take on Triple H and Shawn in a triple threat match. Taker accepts the offer.

Triple H senses that Shawn wants to beat Taker so bad that he will take Triple H's title - the only reason that Trips granted Shawn's wish with the offer was on the proviso that Trips would retain the title, but DX would beat Taker.

Taker and Shawn build from what Shawn did and their past history. So theres an anxiety at all times between Trips and Shawn with the angst between Shawn and Taker. Trips wants to retain so they play that into him against Taker.

Comes time for their match at Mania. Triple H is laid out outside of the ring following the announce table bump that he took from Taker. Shawn is in Hells gate for longer than anyone has ever been in it, but his will to defeat the Undertaker stops him from tapping out. He somehow makes it to the ropes as Trips reenters the ring. Triple H and Taker brawl for a minute before Trips gets the pedigree set up. Taker counters and tombstones Triple H. One, two, three. Winner and new WWE Champion - The Undertaker. Just as Taker is celebrating post match HBK regains consciousness. He looks at Taker celebrating and then he looks at Trips defeated. Then he passes out again.

Taker loses the title to Triple H in their rematch at the following pay-per-view. Shawn gets his time off and they sell it that Taker crushed his larynx and other related injuries with the Hells Gate.

Shawn comes back at MITB to screw Triple H out of the title. They have a huge non-title match at Summerslam over the fact that Triple H cost Shawn his opportunity at defeating the Undertaker.

It would have been a great way to have the DX split and a good way for Shawn to take his time off and have something build while he's away - kinda like Edge and Jericho was building while Edge was off without having to be mentioned more than a handful of times.
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Old 02-22-2010, 09:28 AM   #42
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I'm REALLY excited that HBK will be playing essentially full-out heel during his buildup with Taker this time. Gonna be incredible.

Shame he'll probably return in August as a squeaky-clean babyface as though nothing happened.
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Old 02-22-2010, 11:59 AM   #43
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Here's my take....and you may thank me for it

WWE Title match: Batista vs Cena

WHC Match: Jericho vs Edge

Taker vs HBK

Punk vs Mysterio

HHH vs Sheamus

Bret vs Vince (somehow with the whole "leg injury" thing I think vince will make this a submission/I Quit type match)

Tag Team Title Match: Showmiz vs MVP & Henry

MITB: McIntyre vs Morrison vs R-Truth vs Christian vs Kane vs Matt Hardy
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:00 PM   #44
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:10 PM   #45
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Dude, Triple H uses anabolic steroids.
Anybody involved, or hell, has even had a passing interest in natural and/or professional bodybuilding can see that somebody his size, let alone keeping in mind his age and schedule, is on roids.
Please give me scientific proof of this opinion. Just because you and every other cynical asshole doesn't have the heart, determination, spirit, work ethic, and attitude of "The Game" Triple H to get that kind of body doesn't mean anybody with that physique is on steroids. Triple H has actually lost a lot of muscle tone over the years, and "The King of Kings" is even somewhat chubby. I suggest you quit presenting opinion as fact, and claiming to have a knowledge of something you do not. I will contact Paul Levesque and let him know of your slanderous and libelous claims. May KLIQ have mercy on your soul, sir!
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:23 PM   #46
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:44 PM   #47
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Well here is my attempt...

World Heavyweight Title Match
Jericho vs Edge

WWE Championship
Batista w/Vince McMahon vs John Cena w/Bret Hart

The Undertaker vs Shawn Michaels vs Triple H

Randy Orton w/Bob Orton vs Cody Rhodes w/Dusty Rhodes vs Ted Diabiase w/Ted Diabiase

Hair vs Mask
CM Punk vs Rey Mysterio

Sheamus vs Kofi Kingston

WWE Unified Tag Team Title Match
Big Show and Miz vs Mark Henry and MVP (Daniel Bryan costs Miz the match!)

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
Drew Mcyntyre vs John Morrison vs Christain vs William Regal

I don't know what they will do with the Unified Tag Titles or the IC title but those matches would make me perfectly happy.
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Old 02-22-2010, 02:02 PM   #48
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Tag Team match for the WWE title...Bret makes Vince submit, Batista loses title, and Bret retires as champion.
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Old 02-22-2010, 02:55 PM   #49
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For Michaels vs Taker, how about HBK refuses to give up and loses to Taker by being choked out or something ala Austin vs Bret from WM 13? This way Taker keeps the streak going, HBK didnt technically lose and he can take some time off after Mania.
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Old 02-22-2010, 02:58 PM   #50
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I think putting Triple H in the HBK/Taker match would make it a lot better. There is no way they can straight up out perform last years match, although maybe I am wrong Taker was on fire last night.
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Old 02-22-2010, 03:00 PM   #51
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Some sort of unification match between the Women's and Divas titles
I believe unifying the championships is the way to go. It would be just like with the tag-belts, where the champion could go on any show to defend the title. If RAW can’t dedicate enough time to their women, there’s no other choice.

I don’t have a problem with divas being on RAW and wrestling, but if they’re not going to give them any storylines or time, then just have there be one champion.
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:29 PM   #52
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MITB Qualifiers are tonight...sweet! The match is still on
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Old 02-22-2010, 07:56 PM   #53
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I wouldn't be surprised if Triple H wins MITB this year and then cashes in on the same night. Triple H has been relatively quiet this past year. I wouldn't be surprised if Triple H defeated Sheamus, Orton, Rhodes, Dibiase, and Kingston at MITB, and then cashed in after Cena defeated Batista.
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Old 02-22-2010, 08:51 PM   #54
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WWE Championship: John Cena w/ Bret Hart vs. Batista w/ Mr. McMahon

World Heavyweight Championship: Edge vs. Chris Jericho

The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels

Mask vs. Hair: Rey Mysterio vs. CM Punk

Randy Orton w/ Bob Orton vs. Cody Rhodes w/ Dusty Rhodes vs. Ted DiBiase w/ Ted DiBiase
Sounds like what they're going for, with Triple H and Sheamus looking likely to happen.

Looks like a stacked card, probably one of the best Mania cards in a while, especially when they fill out the undercard.
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:15 PM   #55
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Please give me scientific proof of this opinion. Just because you and every other cynical asshole doesn't have the heart, determination, spirit, work ethic, and attitude of "The Game" Triple H to get that kind of body doesn't mean anybody with that physique is on steroids. Triple H has actually lost a lot of muscle tone over the years, and "The King of Kings" is even somewhat chubby. I suggest you quit presenting opinion as fact, and claiming to have a knowledge of something you do not. I will contact Paul Levesque and let him know of your slanderous and libelous claims. May KLIQ have mercy on your soul, sir!
I'm not an H fan but I agree completely. It's not like he's ripped out of his mind. If you compare him to his 2001 physique, you would see there's some weight gain and less definition. I'm not saying he wasn't on roids at one time or another, but I highly doubt at this current junction he's juicing.
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Fuck it. If any non-title match in WM history has ever deserved to go on last, it's Taker/HBK. Hope they do that.
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Fuck it. If any non-title match in WM history has ever deserved to go on last, it's Taker/HBK. Hope they do that.
This.

Plus, no matter how great a match Edge v Jericho can be, nor how much heat a Batista w/ Vince v Cena w/Hart match could get, neither could really go on after Taker/HBK and really get a chance to shine. Just like HHH/Jericho had a tough time following Hogan/Rock at Mania 18.
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Fuck it. If any non-title match in WM history has ever deserved to go on last, it's Taker/HBK. Hope they do that.
Bam Bam vs L.T. I rest my case
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Old 02-23-2010, 02:15 AM   #59
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I actually find myself hoping that they do The Brothers of Destruction vs. D-Generation X at WrestleMania. I just can't get into the idea of Triple H vs. Sheamus without the WWE Championship being involved. Never thought I would say this, but Triple H should be the WWE Champion right now. It would have made sense for him to win it, be pushed even further as "The Destroyer" in Elimination Chambers for next year, and do a return match against Sheamus for WrestleMania. Sheamus could have won the WWE Title for the second time there, and continued his monster push.
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I'm going to Mania, and I hope Bret and Vince go one on one. I know its wrestling, and they'll figure it out...but the "broken leg" is going to be hard to explain...who can come back from a broken leg in 5 weeks? I hated the car crash angle. I hope they figure out a good way to do that match.
Wouldn't it be crazy if Cena and Bret were the ones that set the whole thing up? Just to make Bret look hurt?
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Wouldn't it be crazy if Cena and Bret were the ones that set the whole thing up? Just to make Bret look hurt?
That would be clever, and make Cena and Bret look like less "pure." A rougher image to Cena, in particular, would be much welcomed by me.
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:16 PM   #63
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I think on paper, the obvious results are as follows:

Cena def. Batista
Edge def. Jericho
Shawn Michaels def. Undertaker
Bret def. Vince
Triple H def. Sheamus
Orton def. Rhodes & Dibiase
Rey Mysterio def. CM Punk
The Miz & Big Show def. R Truth and John Morrison
Drew McIntyre wins MITB
Heel females defeat face females.

However - if that were to happen, then that would mean 7 out of the 10 matches would be won by faces. Furthermore - most of those heel victories would be in the most meaningless matches.

So - what gives? I think the following matches are obvious:
  • Cena will defeat Batista.
  • ShowMiz defeat R-Truth & John Morrison
  • Heel Females defeat Face Females
Cena will defeat Batista since Cena is a hero amongst the targeted children demographic. Kids 12 and under want to see their hero win, and they will most likely get that. The fact that Batista has been getting the better of Cena all this time also pretty much confirms that.

The heel females are also far more over then the Face females. They win here as well. This match will also help the WWE keep their 'face/heel' win-loss ratio more even. ShowMiz will also defeat R-Truth and John Morrison for the same reasons.

The following match is not completely obvious, but I think it's 90% probable that...
  • Triple H defeats Sheamus
Triple H simply has too much seniority and legacy to be buried at Mania in what is essentially a semi-meaningless match. Sheamus has been built up to be almost unbeatable, and I think the WWE will give Triple H the "accolade" of being the 1st one to cleanly defeat Sheamus.


I'd say the following result is around 85-89% probable:
  • Orton defeats Rhodes & Dibiase.
Again - the fact that Orton has been owned by Legacy on so many occassions, implies that Orton will have the last laugh here. I don't think the WWE would have had Legacy defeat Orton on RAW if this wasn't there plan.

So that leaves the "score" between heels and faces at 3-2. The rest of the matches are...

-Bret vs. Vince
-Jericho vs. Edge
-HBK vs. Undertaker
-MITB
-Punk vs. Rhodes

Now since Batista/Cena, Edge/Jericho, HBK/Taker are all "main-event calibre" matches, I don't think the WWE will have all 3 faces go over here. However - despite the fact that HBK cut a slightly heelish promo on RAW last Monday, I think more fans want HBK to get the win. So in that sense, I think more people will pull of HBK. On top of that, Austin 'burying' HBK on RAW also kind of implies that HBK will "beat the odds" and defeat Taker.

However - since HBK is rumoured to be taking time off after Mania, I don't think the WWE will have HBK defeat Taker and then have him be off of TV for so long.....and kill whatever momentum HBK would have had.

Since Taker's streak is something ridiculously unique, I don't see the WWE getting rid of it....ever. Taker's streak will be a part of his legacy, and the WWE will keep Taker's streak in-tact as a way of paying tribute....to a guy that never once "sold out" to WCW. HBK is already a huge legend, and doesn't need a win over Taker to add to his legacy.


So - Taker defeats HBK.

Face-heel score: 3-2-1 (3 wins, 2 losses, 1 neutral).

Since it's a 12 and under demographic and 'good' needs to 'evil' on more occassions, I also believe that Edge will defeat Jericho.

Face-heel score: 4-2-1.

So that leaves

-Bret vs. Vince
-CM Punk vs. Rey Mysterio
-MITB

Now - since Edge has defeated Jericho, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the WWE might use this as a pretext to build towards an Edge/Christian match-feud down the road. Edge and Christian won't necessarily be enemies....and no one would be heel....but it would just be between two guys looking to achieve greatness....and I think that's how it might go down.

The 3 guys that are most likely to win are: Christian, Drew McIntyre, and Kofi Kingston. However - I don't think Kofi is quite ready to be a main-event face and I think the WWE recognizes that. That leaves Christian and Drew McIntyre.

Although it would be awesome to see Christian win MITB and then 'cash in' against Edge on the same night, I think the WWE are far more focused on building up Drew McIntyre. Given how Drew has had to 'pay his dues' a little lately, I think McIntyre will be the one to win MITB. At some point down the road, McIntyre will cash in against Edge...or even Cena.

Prediction: Drew McIntyre wins MITB:

Face-heel score: 4-3-1

That leaves Punk/Mysterio and Vince/Bret.

While Punk will definitely go over Mysterio at some point, I don't think he'll go over Mysterio at Mania.....due to the fact that it involves family. The WWE will give Mysterio the win so he looks like a hero amongst his family. However - Punk will go over at some point.....I just don't think it will be here.

Prediction: Mysterio defeats Punk

Face-Heel-Score: 5-3-1

That leaves Bret-Vince.

On paper, it looks obvious that Bret will go over....which is why I don't think he will. Vince looked a little TOO confident on RAW when he told Bret that he was screwed.

Vince has jobbed to many legends in past years (i.e. Flair, Hogan, HBK). I think this is the year that Vince actually wins.

Since Bret has been rumored to be in the WWE even after Mania, I think the WWE will play upon the angle of "Bret finally getting his revenge on Vince." My guess is that at Wrestlemania, the Hart Dynasty and/or Drew McIntyre, end up costing Bret his match against Vince.

Prediction: Vince defeats Bret! (Face-Heel score = 5-4-1).
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Heyman's final conclusions:

-Cena def. Batista
-Undertaker def. HBK
-Edge def. Jericho
-Triple H def. Sheamus
-ShowMiz def. Morrison&R-Truth
-Mysterio def. Punk
-McIntyre wins MITB
-Heel Females win
-Vince def. Bret
-Orton def. Rhodes & Dibiase
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Definitely.

I think the biggest ones that I could be wrong on, are Jericho/Edge and MITB. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Jericho defeat Edge and then continue his "spear spear spear" speech to the fans after Mania'. However - I think it would be far more detrimental to Edge's character, if he were to job. The WWE are trying hard to get Edge over as a face and I think a loss here would be a major set back. Jericho on the other hand, will still be way over as an established heel....whether he wins or not.

Given the lack of reactions that Drew McIntyre garners, I also wouldn't be surprised to see Christian or Kofi win MITB (the latter being the more likely). Historically however, the WWE (namely Vince) has been extremely stubborn when it comes to pushing certain guys. Vince has invested a lot of time into Drew Mac, and so that's why I think it could manifest at Mania'.

I might be over thinking the Bret/Vince scenario, but I think it just seems too obvious that 'Bret will win.' Vince also looked 'way' too confident when he said, "You're screwed" on RAW. My guess is that someone will (successfully) interefere on his behalf...and cost Hart the match.
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