Football Talk 2005-2006 (Soccer)

[Danny Electric]

Ok, your're one-nil down with about ten minutes to go so you bring on...Owen Hargreaves.
Fuck off Sven.

[Wengerland]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning How bad does it make Wales look though? Still, nothing can be said really. Incompetence of the highest order. Are you worried yet Wengerland

Yes

Cant' defend that, it was shit. I'm not going to demand that Sven be sacked but everyone's made their minds up anyway. Hopefully Curbishley gets the job when Sven gets sacked. We're in a good position still though.

Against Wales i wasn't concerned because we created chances and finishing was all that was lacking at times, tonight we didn't create any clear cut chances and got what we deserved. Northern Ireland closed us down whereas Wales stayed back and let us have possession, and the players didn't like it, which is difficult to take.

[Team Sheep]

I think Stuart Pearce should be the next England manager.

[Cactus Sid]

ENG-ER-LAND NA NA NA ENG-ER-LAND NA NA NA

Beautiful.....just beautiful

[Astley316]

They have to sack the swede, when the captain questions a substituion you know theres something not quite right espically when that captains the quite man beckham, look what wrighty was saying on the post game, everytime there were instructions to give it was McClaren,

[Danny Electric]

Oh and anoother great decision in taking off Wright-Phillips for Mr I want to be Cristano Ronaldo in doing stepovers all the fucking time.

[Team Sheep]

I can just imagine what the English pubs were like tonight.

[Danny Electric]

Time and time again Sven has shown that when it comes to certain matches he has no tactical sense.

[Wengerland]

SWP did bugger all but give it away, to be fair. In saying that no-one had a good, or even average, game.

I wouldn't mind Pearce taking over at some stage, but probably in the future. I mean he's only had 14 league games as a manager or something. I suppose Allardyce will be a main contender and is successful, just through playing shit football.

Anyway, Leicester are, and always will be, a bigger concern for me, so whatever happens will happen really. RBF's said before 'the players don't care about representing England so why should i bother supporting them as passionately' or something like that, i feel the same after that.

[Wengerland]

The Northern Irish fans were immense aswell, some of the best support i've ever heard.

[Astley316]

Originally Posted by Wengerland . I suppose Allardyce will be a main contender and is successful, just through playing shit football.

you obviously dont see the whites that much then, sure they can get down and scrappy, but bolton also play some good football,

[Danny Electric]

Wright-Phillips was at least getting behind teh defence and causing them problems.

[Team Sheep]

I think all he means is that they can escape with a 1-0 victory or something after playing poorly on occasions. I'm sure he didn't mean that Bolton play crap every week.

[Astley316]

then i apologise if i misunderstood his comment

[Wengerland]

Originally Posted by Team Sheep I think all he means is that they can escape with a 1-0 victory or something after playing poorly on occasions. I'm sure he didn't mean that Bolton play crap every week.

Actually that was what i meant i don't see them every week to be fair but whenever i have they've just hoofed it up to Davies and gone from there. I'm sure Allardyce wouldn't have been moaning about Chelsea playing "long pass" if he didn't appreciate that his team were quite direct.

One thing he'd do if he was in charge was instill some passion in the players, personally i believe if they're pulling on the Three Lions then them playing with passion should be a given, but clearly not.

[Team Sheep]

I wasn't ripping on you or anything, just saying like.

[Astley316]

again, i apologise, i just hear so many people at working calling the whites, when they dont see them play, but yeah, like boltons tactics or not, he's got all these players playing there heart out for the reebok faithful everyweek, when all they were orignally viewed as was mercenries, i dont perticualr want to see my team without there manager, but i think he'd do better then any of the other options, but then again this is the fa, and we all know they wont do jack

[Wengerland]

I don't want to get into an argument about how Bolton play football but that is my opinion, they can play football and like i say, do play it around if Davies doesn't win the aerial challenge but when they played Everton it was horrible to watch and both sides contributed to that.

People could have said Leicester played terrible football when we were in the premiership, even under O'Neill, i'd have accepted that cause i recognise that we weren't pretty to watch then and Adams just plays hoofball.

[Danny Electric]

What Sam has done at Bolton is amazing.

[Astley316]

me either, and yeah ill admit against everton we went back to route one, but agains Newcastle the next game, we out played them

[Wengerland]

Originally Posted by Astley316 me either, and yeah ill admit against everton we went back to route one, but agains Newcastle the next game, we out played them

That's fair enough and i apologise for generalising if it's not always the case. Whether i have liked the football or not is irrelevent considering the success Big Sam has had at Bolton. I'm not sure whether he'd want the England job with Bolton in Europe though.

I wouldn't want McLaren really, he's on the staff now and it isn't helping and Doink doesn't seem to like him and i read elsewhere that Boro fans preferred Robson's style of football, if not results.

Sod it, just bring back Sir Bobby

[Astley316]

EL TEL!!!!!!

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by Wengerland Sod it, just bring back Sir Bobby

I said it first

Somebody start a campaign. He'd get half the names wrong and Kieron Dyer wouldn't get much of a look in, but is that so wrong? When was the last time we got to a major semi final before Italia 90 fercrissakes?

[Wengerland]

Actually i don't know why i didn't mention him for it earlier, but Martin O'Neill. The England job is by no means a proper full time one so he could look after his wife still and i can't see one of the jobs he was after becoming available in the near future. Not English as such but at least he's British and as good as the main English candidates.

[Maluco]

Just back from the game boys, and I know it must be gutting for you, but is the single greatest moment in any of our supporting lives, crowd was electric and we actually felt we deserved it.

From an objective, Sven has no idea, Lawrie Sanchez outmanouvred him tonight by using our players where they are best at playing, England forced players out of position and quite frankly got out played at times

[Ogen]

I didn't want to go to Germany anyway full of fucking nazis.

[yianni]

Well we got out of fucking jail hardcore against Kazakhstan last night.

[toxic rooster]

Originally Posted by Astley316 you obviously dont see the whites that much then, sure they can get down and scrappy, but bolton also play some good football,

Are you related to Wengerland somehow?

[packt up]

All those people calling for Svens sacking: don't be so fucking stupid.

1) It would cost SHITLOADS to sack him on his current contract so no go for FA
2) Do you really think sacking the manager with two games to go is going to give the new manager enough time to do anything
3) Although the formation failed spectacularly it also has to be said that all the players yesterday apart from Robinson and Beckham played VERY poorly

I'm not saying he's good but I would say that he is still by far the best available. People forget that it would have been 7 competitive wins in a row if we won last night. And I know its the manner of defeat that is shocking and abysmal but what are the alternatives. It was a historically shambolic result there's no denying that but if we win our next to games and qualify none of you will give a shit.

Till we lose in the quarters and WC again.

[packt up]

Also Bolton do play shit football barring Okocha and Diouf. Shit but effective

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Originally Posted by packt up All those people calling for Svens sacking: don't be so fucking stupid. 1) It would cost SHITLOADS to sack him on his current contract so no go for FA 2) Do you really think sacking the manager with two games to go is going to give the new manager enough time to do anything 3) Although the formation failed spectacularly it also has to be said that all the players yesterday apart from Robinson and Beckham played VERY poorly I'm not saying he's good but I would say that he is still by far the best available. People forget that it would have been 7 competitive wins in a row if we won last night. And I know its the manner of defeat that is shocking and abysmal but what are the alternatives. It was a historically shambolic result there's no denying that but if we win our next to games and qualify none of you will give a shit. Till we lose in the quarters and WC again.

I'm not especially calling for his head but

1) Take it out of the player's wages for being so inept

2) This isn't Ron Atkinson coming in with a couple months left to try and avoid relegation, it's the fucking most talented England team in at least 20 years. They shouldn't need much coaching or motivation, just someone to pick the team and get them playing to their strengths. Do you really think there's anyone who would be considered who wouldn't have any idea at all about how to do that?

3) Up to now Robinson playing well has been a given, mostly cause we've been playing sub-standard teams but still. Beckham played well because there was no-one around him all game. If they tried that against, say, Eire, Keane would've (in footballing terms) raped him all night. Also to a certain extent how are Lampard and Gerrard meant to get into the game when he pings the ball over their heads all night?

[packt up]

1) lol if that happened that would be great
2) Who do you propose to do this exactly? If its so simple how come Mcclaren hasn't stepped in and sorted it out? International teams don't get much time to train together - if a new person comes in do they even have a friendly to try stuff out? (I don't think they do but I don't really know)
3) Indeed. Beckham I think has been shit for England for ages. Drop him back and he pings em around great but as you said Lampard and Gerrard suffer. The formation is shit no doubt and doesn't help but if Lampard and Gerrard need Beckham to pass to them just to do something in the game then they are playing shite too.

[The Mask]

i didn't think players got paid by the FA for internationals

[packt up]

I don't think they do I think MMM was just implyin some sort of FA imposed fine or something. *shrug*

[Chavo Classic]

Embarrassed to be an England football fan. Simple as

[Doink]

Originally Posted by packt up I don't think they do I think MMM was just implyin some sort of FA imposed fine or something. *shrug*

Do you seriously think these players are playing for the good of their country and for an 'england cap' to put with their collection ?

Get real, the FA prob have to pay the clubs to release the players, they defo pay the players and then they will give them win bounes etc on top of that.

The game is too money orientated now-a-days and the players yet again show they dont give a damn, its not like Robson, Butcher, Pearce & Moore are playing anymore, yes they will have recieved a cash bonus for playing but all those guys would bleed for the cause and do anything to make sure England got a result. You name me one player like that now?

Mclaren is not the man for the job, Sven SHOULD be sacked as this will give the new guy time to assess what he has and has the time to pick the side that actually gives a fuck and wants to win. IMO if Sven stays, we will be lucky to get past the group stages, should we even make it that far.

Rooney is a child who really really needs to grow up, so fuck you werent getting the ball and playing out of position. ROONEY you are paid to play football, if the manager puts you in goal, you play there.

[packt up]

Actually Doink the clubs pay the players wages whenever they are playing internationals. Have you never heard a manager complain something along the lines of "x got injured playing internationals. This is an outrage because we pay his wages!" etc etc.

From the economist:

"But perhaps the biggest example of the anti-commercial impulses that run through the game is the World Cup itself. Football clubs around the world have to lend billions of dollars-worth of talent to their national sides, free of charge. The clubs will pay the players' wages throughout the tournament, and have to accept that their precious stars may return exhausted or even injured."

http://www.economist.com/surveys/sho...issue=20020601

[Doink]

the players will recieve a financial benifit from playing for their country, the clubs stil pay the wages as the players are on contracts so the club cant stop a payment because the player is on international duty, the only thing a club can do is refuse to release the player.

Do you honestly think that a player is going to travel half way across the world off his own back and play for his country? seriously what is in it for the player unless there is a financial offer for him?

the clubs are pissed off as they run the risk of the player being injured for which they will get no compensation if he is.

[toxic rooster]

Something about REPRESENTING YOUR COUNTRY perhaps?

[packt up]

Everyone wants to represent their country I should hope. The reasons for that are personal but I would like to think that everyone just wants to have the honour of putting on an England shirt. Its like when Chris Sutton refused to play for the England B Team the stupid prick. The thing is when playing for your country money shouldn't be the motivating factor. Club football is a totally different thing.

The only financial benefit I can see players getting is some sort of performance bonus like "win the world cup and we'll give you some money". Just playing for their country raises their profile hugely and is enough of a "financial" bonus.