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Old 03-30-2008, 11:52 PM   #1121
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They recoverd nicely.
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Old 03-30-2008, 11:56 PM   #1122
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Oh yeah, yeah don't get me wrong, everyone makes mistakes, and the crowd didn't really seem to pick up on it too much. But it's just one of those little things you notice I guess.
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Just got back from my friends house, and WOW I can say I feel that I got a very good show. Just some quick thoughts on some matches...

MiTB was my fav of all the MiTB, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a huge Punk fan, but I just felt the match was great because of all the athleticism and unpredicfulness.

Triple Threat I'm glad didn't close the show. When they said it was coming on I was about 85% confident Orton would retain which made me very happy. Thought it was great how the whole room I was in errupted when the kick hit trips's schnoze. Orton retaining made me a happy panda.

Edge Taker...wow, great match. Though I hated the finish, it was still a very good contest for the two. Thought Edge had it a few times which made me get very excited and stand up, but still very good match and nice way to close the show.

HBK Flair....Its hard to say. This was my MOTN. It was great in all ways. HBK brought the best out of Flair. Since I have not seen Flairs prime work, this match is my favorite one now. Before this it was the RAW match with Trips when they celebrated Flair with the belt off air. Just unreal. Crowd was hott, had the great big match feel, and the finish just kicked all kinds of ass.

I was very satisfied with this years 'Maina. It really did deliever.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:03 AM   #1124
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Also did you guys hear that FUCKIN DUBBED IN POP FOR PUNK WHEN HE WON!? Such BULL!.....
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:10 AM   #1125
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:11 AM   #1126
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I mean NO ONE in the crowd was cheering, was it his hometown?
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That was a really great show.

MITB was probably the strongest of them all thus far. I'm a big fan of Punk winning. Genius really. He can milk that all year for his push. It was less predictable than Jeff would have been and the match really didn't miss Jeff.
Matt doing the run in was great, and by costing MVP that gives new legs to that fued, and saves face for MVP as the up and coming star who "should have" won, as he will say.
Jericho winning would be nice for a Jerimark like me and others, but hes already over and it accomplishes nothing for him. He can get a title shot and make the step up anyways. He's already got the IC title. Punk is a wiser choice.

The belfast brawl had a few great moments, was a great opener and a decent match. Stiff as hell and well done, but I wish it would have gotten a bit more brutal and gone more into brawling and less hardcore. No complaints otherwise though

Flair vs Michaels. Absolutely perfect. Prematch, match, post match. Perfect. Just amazing. All I have to say.

Mayweather vs Big Show entertained the hell out of me. It was much better than I thought it'd be. I thought it was actually pretty great for what it was, and a nice bit of entertainment and liveup to hype where a trainwreck could have been. People need to calm down and enjoy wrestling shows.

Kane squash was good enough for me.

Bunnymania. Honest to god, it was okay. I mean come on people, you need diversity on your card. Yea, it was a piss break but they did an okay job out there. And Santino and Snoop were both fun. FAR FAR better than the usual diva faire and pillow fights and shit. I also didn't mind looking at Maryse and every other divas ass and tits

Triple Threat. Pleased that it went in the middle. Shocking finish. I like it. Nice to see theres still a suprise ending in the world of wrestling. It accomplishes something. It puts Orton way over as a heel and gives him a WM win, which Cena and HHH already have plenty of. As good as it could have been. Solid match too, for the record.

Edge/Taker. Wow. Thats a main event. They really had me going. I thought Edge would do it, but I'm okay with the ending. What a great match. Long too, but worth every minute. Thats a WM main event.


Great great show. It wasn't the best Mania ever but I think it was up there and much better than I thought it could be and an excellent excellent show with a lot of great moments. Far better than the past few years. People need to chill out about things. If you're going to bitch about that show then you should probably just stop watching wrestling because you will never be pleased unless you get a time machine and go back to 2001.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:13 AM   #1128
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I thought the Edge/Undertaker match was well developed. Since Undertaker came back from injury last year, and especially since the Royal Rumble, they've really been trying to get over the "evolution of the Undertaker". This match really put things in perspective, with Edge playing the role of the younger, more aggressive, brash champion trying to put away the Old Lion that is the Undertaker.

Edge consistently had all of Taker's signature moves scouted and consistently countered or kicked out of everything Taker is known for. However, in the end, it was Taker's "evolution" that won it for him, pulling out a gogoplata for the submission win.

Brilliant storytelling. I haven't seen a match structured like this (in mainstream US wrestling) for a long time.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:14 AM   #1129
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lol, HeroesWelcome, our thoughts are almost identical
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:23 AM   #1130
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I mean NO ONE in the crowd was cheering, was it his hometown?

Nope, he is from Chicago, IL.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:25 AM   #1131
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"Nobody likes Punk because I don't" is pretty much all thats going on there, don't get worked up over it
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:26 AM   #1132
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I mean NO ONE in the crowd was cheering, was it his hometown?
This is by far the biggest TRAVESTY in Wrestlemania HISTORY! UGH!!!
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:26 AM   #1133
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Not worked up at all, I find it rather funny to be honest.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:29 AM   #1134
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I find it funny how the bitching will NEVER end.

-Cena doesn't win or main event
-CM Punk wins gets a huge push
-Jericho makes his return to Wrestlemania
-Matt Hardy does a run in
-Tons of huge spots in a ladder match
-Edge looks like a complete badass and Takers streak still stays intact
-Edge main events Wrestlemania
-Batista doesn't go anywhere near the main event
-Kane gets another title run
-Smackdown goes on last in a great main event
-Flair and Michaels mix it up and he goes out like a god

These are the things smarks on here ask for all the time, for the past year and half I've been here. From what I've observed, this show reads as the answer to the average poster on heres wet dreams. And yet they still bitch.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:30 AM   #1135
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Not worked up at all, I find it rather funny to be honest.
I was kidding. I agree with you guys. Some people here just don't like him, and think it's a lie that anybody else does (including WWE management)
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:36 AM   #1136
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I haven't watched a whole WWE show in a while because, frankly, it's been pretty awful what I have seen.

But I watched this with some friends tonight and was really impressed. Obviously, the diva match was shit. The Show/Mayweather finish blew (although the match itself wasn't as much of a train wreck as I expected). But other than that, it was a good show.

Flair/Michaels was perfect. Absolutely perfect. Both men got in all of their high spots (although, looking back, did Flair do his face-first flop?), and the emotion in both men at the finish was amazing. That shot way up my list of favorite Mania matches ever.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:43 AM   #1137
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Flair/Michaels is a match of the year candidate. It was brilliant. The wrestling was great, the storytelling was better. Michaels was perfect. His facials before the final SCM made the show.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:47 AM   #1138
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It will go down as one of the all time great match ups. Been a long time since we saw a Flair classic. I'm so thrilled to have seen it. I'm honestly still blown away. But I dont think the idea of never seeing another Flair match has sat in. Its gonna be weird.
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Old 03-31-2008, 12:50 AM   #1139
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I'm just sitting here thinking about the match over and over. Def one of my own personal top 5 'Mania matches ever.
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To be fair, Flair has done shit for a while, and he was gone for quite sometime believed to never return and nobody seemed to care.

Not saying that towards you Destor, I know you're a big fan of his and always have been so it's different for you. But I think a lot of people are hamming it up for the moment. Which is fine too, I mean, what an amazing way to go out.

It's just much more sad because he's going out on a high note with a bang and a hyped up dream career ending moment. If he just dissapeared off television or quit or got injured and hung it up most people wouldn't react as much.

To me, I care either way. I'm so happy with how his career ended this weekend though. It had to happen, and it couldn't have happened any better. I would have hated to see him just fade out on Smackdown and go away unheralded after a financial squabble with Vince. Props to Flair on THE career, props to Michaels for that match, props to WWE for making it all happen.
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Wrestling isn't wrestling without Ric Flair. he's been going since I started waching, he's been on top since I started watching. And now he's hanging up the boots. it weird.
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I'm just sitting here thinking about the match over and over. Def one of my own personal top 5 'Mania matches ever.
I want to watch it right now so badly. It's def top 5. But for storytelling and moments, and emotion and all of that, it could be number 1
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It'll be posted for download in the morning. I'll hunt a link down then.
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I got so nervous when Michaels took that odd bump on the table and appeared to crack his damn ribs. Not just for his health, but mainly for the match. I got afraid that he wouldn't be able to continue on, or at least not 100% and bad luck would ruin the night for them and Flair's retirement.

Kinda a selfish thought seeing as someones ribs and possible collapsed lung were on the line, but I was really looking forward to the moment. Thankfully it seems everyones okay and the whole scenario went down without a hitch
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It will go down as one of the all time great match ups. Been a long time since we saw a Flair classic. I'm so thrilled to have seen it. I'm honestly still blown away. But I dont think the idea of never seeing another Flair match has sat in. Its gonna be weird.
Def a Flair classic. Probably his best work in his modern WWE run, followed by along with his Taker match at WM 18. This obviously tops that, but that's the last Flair classic I can think of besides this.
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honestly I thought the same thing. I didn't give two shits about HBKs well being. I wanted to Flair to get the sent off he deserved. And thats all I cared about.
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Def a Flair classic. Probably his best work in his modern WWE run, followed by along with his Taker match at WM 18. This obviously tops that, but that's the last Flair classic I can think of besides this.
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Oh yeah. It's just in my eyes he's nothing compared to how much Flair means to me.
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But I def cared about Flairs last match. I knew one thing for sure, given the circumstances cracked rib or no cracked rib HBK was finishing that match and giving it his all.
He's no stranger to working through pain for the good of the show.
And you know he wouldn't a) let Flair down in his last match. b) let people down for Wrestlemania period, c) let people down at all

but enough HBK.

Lets talk about how good Flair was. Honestly, I think Flair carried him for a while there while he got his wind back
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Oh yeah. It's just in my eyes he's nothing compared to how much Flair means to me.
You know, I started watching wrestling in 1996 when I was in 5th grade. To me, HBK is probably like Flair is to you for "lifelong favorite" type reasons. I've seen his prime and he's just fuckin amazing. I usually say HBK is the best ever.

But as I've matured and educated myself as a wrestling fan over the years, I realize and appreciate Flair as THE man and the greatest ever. I'm glad I can appreciate his final match on this level. If this happened 5 years ago, I wouldn't feel about the way I do now. He's the best and I'm glad he got the best sendoff possible.
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I went into the match totally expected HBK to carry Flair every step of the way, but I was shocked to see Flair show up. Now I don't think Flair coud've done it with out HBK, but flair was on tonight in a big way. He wanted it and REALLY rose to the occasion in a way that no 58 year old man should be able to. They put together one hell of a specticle and I can honsetly say didn't have to be carried like everyone (myslef especially) expected.
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You know, I started watching wrestling in 1996 when I was in 5th grade. To me, HBK is probably like Flair is to you for "lifelong favorite" type reasons. I've seen his prime and he's just fuckin amazing. I usually say HBK is the best ever.

But as I've matured and educated myself as a wrestling fan over the years, I realize and appreciate Flair as THE man and the greatest ever. He's the best and I'm glad he got the best sendoff possible.
HBK is an all time great. There aren't many wrestlers who will ever even approach his level, let alone stand beside him. Even fewer still are those who are his superior, but Ric Flair is one such performer.

HBK is deserving of one hell of a send off when the day comes there's no denying that though.

PS-fuck Hogan (just throwing that out there)
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I honestly went into it knowing both men would be on. I just knew Flair was gonna operate off adrenaline and do amazing things out there knowing it was his last dance. But he still suprised me. I love the storytelling here.

I got Goosebumps when he got up and asked for it, and HBK did it apolegetically
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HBK is an all time great. There aren't many wrestlers who will ever even approach his level, let alone stand beside him. Even fewer still are those who are his superior, but Ric Flair is one such performer.

HBK is deserving of one hell of a send off when the day comes there's no denying that though.

PS-fuck Hogan (just throwing that out there)

I think it's awesome that Flair passed the torch to him as "the man". Of course Flair will always be "the man", but I loved that he bestowed that honor on "the kid" instead of retiring with it. His whole career was based on that motto and how good he made people look. I just hope someday theres someone deserving of being the third heir to this.


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I love when JR talks about the greatest ever. He always says "Ric Flair. Shawn Michaels. Everybody else"

Of course I understand and respect (and even agree in many ways with) you putting Flair above Michaels as opposed to beside or in the same grouping, but I find JRs view on it to be pretty much mine.

I know one thing, what a duo to do a match of that magnitude
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As far as someone that can elevate any oppenent to the match of their lives...dunno. Doesn't seem like anyone on the horiaen can do that. And HBK probably doesn't have the years left in him the Flair had.
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I actually loved what I coined there. "The man" meets "the kid".
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