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Old 05-16-2004, 11:22 AM   #81
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Probably,hence the "yet".
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Sucks that Shearer isn't in the team.
For England definitely yes.

For Newcaslte definitely not
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If Kirkland could go 5 minutes without breaking something id definatly have him in the squad ahead of Robinson. He's big and athletic. He's got a big presence. He's better than Robinson.
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Oh and I would be well pissed off if Owen doesn't start even if I generally don't think he's that good - he proves me wrong most of the time .
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Rooney will definetly be going.

I think it's just Vieira and Henry who we'll need to be weary of as we have players just as good as Gallas and Pires imo.
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rio ferdinand was by far england's best player at the world cup, then we signed him. that was pretty awesome.
This is true. Rio was far and way England's best player, and probably the best defender at the 2002 World Cup.

Big miss for England. As well as Terry has done this season, I'm not entirely convinced by him yet. Just don't know if he is up to it against world class opposition.
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ahahahaha

Ok.
Pires has been marked out of games before without too much trouble,the majority of his goals are well set up for him so if he is kept under control then he won't be as problematic as Henry.

I don't even think Gallas is the best defender at Chelsea,behind Terry,and i don't really see how a defence including Desailly that will have been exposed one time or another at club level could be unbeatable.

Vieira just runs the midfield and theres not much i can say about Henry that hasn't already been said about his talents.
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No way. Put your brain on. Pires is world class. Gerrard and Scholes are world class too, but France have Vieira, Makalele, Pires and Zidane in midfield. There is none better.

Gallas is brilliant. He is the best defender at Chelsea, on a par with John Terry. It's just that he got shifted about to full back quite alot, and tends not to get the attention Terry does because he is not English.
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The French own England in practically every department .
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England Squad Vassel, King and Caragher in. Cole over Parker too.
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At least Defoe is on first standby.
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No way. Put your brain on. Pires is world class. Gerrard and Scholes are world class too, but France have Vieira, Makalele, Pires and Zidane in midfield. There is none better.

Gallas is brilliant. He is the best defender at Chelsea, on a par with John Terry. It's just that he got shifted about to full back quite alot, and tends not to get the attention Terry does because he is not English.
I didn't say Pires and Gallas weren't good and weren't threats,just that i would be more concerned about Henry and Vieira out of those mentioned by Dazz.Collectively they're a great side but i think England's midfield can almost match theirs.I'm pretty sure 3 out of 4 in their defence are over 30,but Thuram and to a lesser extent Lizarazu are still good.Barthez has seemingly improved but the keepers for both sides look like the weakest area for both.
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Just thought I'd bump this thread, considering that apart from the Champs League final, the club football season is over and Euro 2004 is the next big thing as far as football goes.

I was brought up as an Arsenal fan (due to my grandfather), but I'm in no way English. I'm an Aussie, and thus have no real allegiance to any particular European country.

It's going to be great to sit back for a while and finally watch some great football as a neutral.

Yeah, continue discussing.
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Oh yeah i meant to say how the hell is Richard Wright on standby?

I mean he's a good keeper but he hasn't played any first team games in months,there must be some better,more regular playing keepers out there.
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No Niemi or Hoult?

Sorry, not up on the squad
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PS Is Niemi English? I heard he was
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lol no,he's Finnish,unfortunately

Dunno about Hoult,i'd rather have Robert Green (Norwich keeper) on standby though.
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Hey yeah, funny story. This guy sent me this 3-page long argument the other day spouting this shit about how Niemi should be England's next keeper.

Man, if only I didn't clear out my inbox

Is Hoult still with West Brom?
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Yeah Hoult is with West Brom.

Cudicini can play for England soon,but i think he doesn't want to
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I remember that headline from when Cudicini got injured and couldn't play against Arsenal: "Carlo can't get his hands on Arse"...
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yeah, Niemi is first choice for Finland

I read somewhere that Nigel Martyn has turned down the chance. To be honest though, we'd have to be VERY unlucky to need to use our standby keeper.

I dunno if id really want Cudicini to play for England. It was like when Edu started saying he wanted to play on the left for England because he wasn't getting picked for Brazil. Neither are English, if they arent getting picked for their own countries thats their problem.

But Cudicini has said he doesn't feel English and doesn't want to play for England so good on him.
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Yeah I wouldn't like to see Cudicini play for England, because he is in no way English.

Like Wengerland said, Green from Norwich should be standy, if the guy does get called up for whatever reason, he still wont play, but it would be good experience for him, and I think he is a future England keeper. I would actually probably rather have Green then Walker, and he is dodgy, its bad enough having a calamity like James in the squad, but not Walker too.
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I'd rather put Heskey in my goal instead of Walker.
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Walker has been much better than Robinson this season,imo.

Thats even considering the bad 4-5 games he had at one stage.
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What always gets me about Walker is when he makes a howler, he has a smirk on his face constantly. And that fucking gay boy haircut too.
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lol yeah,can't cover for that.
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wow,can't believe he didn't give Defoe a chance tonight,considering the squad has to be finalised tomorrow.
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Man, that Japanese goal was a thing of beauty.

Why the fuck can't we play like that
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Ha saw the highlights.

England looked fairly shambolic second half Japan seemed to be all over us.

The defence was so narrow at one point it was insane. Midfield pressure/cover nowhere to be seen.

Having said that looked alright first half.

If we play like that (or indeed that midfield 4) against France we will get fucked badly.

Scholes looked terrible. Butt is fairly terrible and I would prefer Hargreaves but we definitely need one holding midfielder.

AND THATS A PROPER ONE SVEN
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I would go with the same midfield,just drop the diamond.In the world cup (specifically against Argentina) we had Scholes helping Butt out defensively and did well.Lampard isn't an out and out attacking player either and when Chelsea are without Makelele he helps back too,so i'd just go with a flat 4 accross the midfield.

I'd like to see Gerrard in the middle though,he's more of a playmaking influence than Scholes and just had a better season in that position.
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Theres no way you can play a midfield without a holding one in my opinion against any team never mind against France.

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Apart from out and out attacking midfielders they should track back anyway.Don't know the French team but if Makelele is still in then Zidane would probably be playing more out wide anyway.
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England's midfield from the current squad should have Dyer on the left and Gerrard back in the middle replacing Lampard, and a flat 4 across. Dyer has something none of the rest of them have and that is the ability to carry the ball at pace.

The diamond formation is a joke. It;s obviously to stop Beckham whining about playing out on the right. He should leave central midfield to people who are good at it, like Scholes and Gerrard.
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Old 06-02-2004, 02:06 PM   #118
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OK serious question, when does Euro 2004 start?

I haven't really been following football outside of Bristol City lately so I honestly haven't got a clue.
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Starts next saturday,June 12th.

England/France is on the Sunday.
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Yeah midfielders should track back but they don't always.

Miscomunication and all that.

Every good team at the moment has a quality holding midfielder England should be no different.
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