Farenheit 911

It opens June 25th in the US and Canada in theaters everywhere.

Yeah, but I mean here, Prince George. This place is so fucking cookie cutter. Takes in only the blockbusters and almost nothing else.

[King TIL]

You should call and get other people to contact the theater and request it. If they know there's an audience, probably more likely they'll order the prints.

I really don't want to see this film. I'll probably get mad as hell if I see it and I try to enjoy myself when I go to a movie, which isn't very often sadly. I might just stick to Spider-man.

[Joeleosis]

yESSSS can't wait to see this film. The best part is that it is coming out before elections, and some guy told me that it's being released on home video before then too. And since Americans are mindless fools incapible of forming their own opinions but can follow trend like no tomorrow, I'm sure that the success of this film will ensure that Bush doesn't have another term as President.

[Buzzkill]

Originally Posted by Joeleosis yESSSS can't wait to see this film. The best part is that it is coming out before elections, and some guy told me that it's being released on home video before then too. And since Americans are mindless fools incapible of forming their own opinions but can follow trend like no tomorrow, I'm sure that the success of this film will ensure that Bush doesn't have another term as President.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by Joeleosis yESSSS can't wait to see this film. The best part is that it is coming out before elections, and some guy told me that it's being released on home video before then too. And since Americans are mindless fools incapible of forming their own opinions but can follow trend like no tomorrow, I'm sure that the success of this film will ensure that Bush doesn't have another term as President.

The timing of this film isn't coincidental.

[Kane Knight]

Ya think?

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'll see it, but from what I've seen in the past from him, I expect little more than a propaganda film. The fact that they actually call these documentaries makes me laugh. The fact that there probably won't be one objective thing about this film should do away with any documentary title.

The worst part is the reality that many people are actually going to hang off what he says and follow his opinion blindly. I mean hell, why should people research when they can just listen to one side of the argument and make a biased conclusion.

[Kane Knight]

Yup. Not one thing will be true.

Including the following:

9-11
Bush having ties to the Bin Laden family
The above family being flown out of the country while other flights are grounded
Bush's speeches (all will be fabricated through computer animation).

Just like the following things in Bowling for Columbine were false:
Marylin Manson (I knew he couldn't be real)
The shooting at Columbine
the Existence of the NRA
9-11 (YEah, can you believe the nerve of him, trying to milk the same lie twice?)
Canada bordering on the US.

Can you believe the nerve of this man to say NOTHING true in a movie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kane Knight]

Sorry, should say objective.

Point still stands.

The overall movie? Not objective.

Isolated facts? Probably will be, as much so as can be expected from anyone.

The minute you ask questions, you pretty much fuck objectivity.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

I'm not questioning the reality of the topics. However, to someone who isn't really well educated in the matter, Moore can easily twist the reality into whatever he wants the viewers to see.

Take the bank scene in Bowling for Columbine. He twisted the reality of the bank "handing out guns" into something that it wasn't.

As I said, I'm going to see Farenheit 911, so if I'm wrong, I'll be the first one to admit it. Alas, I have the feeling that the topics you brought up (Bush allowing the Bin Laden family safe passage out of America, etc) will be displayed in enough of a subjective extreme that those who are ignorant on the matter will leave the theater convinced of Moore's point, and will have no desire to do any research of their own for any other reasons why those events may have happened how they did.

[Kane Knight]

I seem to have to say this every time, but.

Anyone who only looks at any one source for information, regardless of the source, is a total moron and deserves the bullshit and misinformation they get.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I seem to have to say this every time, but. Anyone who only looks at any one source for information, regardless of the source, is a total moron and deserves the bullshit and misinformation they get.

Agreed. The only problem is that when it comes to politics, especially in an election year, misinformation effects votes. While people can vote for whomever they want, for whatever reasons they want, I still wish people's reasons were based off logic and fact. Ignorance from either political extreme has the potential to hurt us as a country, not just the ignorant themselves.

I don't know, I'm feeling very preachy. It's all but impossible to make all people educated on what's actually going on in politics, especially when we never know for sure if what we know is right in the first place. Between friends, acquaintances, and talk radio, I'm becoming very sick of listening to one sided perspectives on matters where they refuse to acknowledge the possibility that they may be wrong.

[Kane Knight]

I'm having trouble caring that some people might pay to have their opinion influenced when a conservative-run media comglomerate is shelling out advertisements and programming for free.

Basically, the fist thing that comes to mind is, "Big fucking whoop."

A lot of people are trying to make sure that Bush doesn't win...In order to do that, they have to beat a man who was willing to say McCain, a fellow Republican, was pro-cancer. Someone who wanted to claim that Gore wanted to take all guns away. They're up against a huge propaghanda machine, so really, whatever it takes, right?

[Kane Knight]

BTW, I'm not endorsing Moore's style. Far as I'm concerned, a lot of his style detracts from whatever point he might try and make.

Especially in a case like Bush.

The facts should be able to speak for themselves. If Moore can't do that, he really sucks at storytelling. If he actually needs to slant one of the biggest liars in the last century, or some of the most hideous truths in the last 30 years, then he's an idiot.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Eh, lets just take Kerry and Bush, shoot them full of "truth serum" or whatever chemical it is, and hold live press sessions and debates the week before elections. Maybe if they spew enough bullshit, public opinion will go down the toilet for both of them and then we can elect Nader... Wait, no one votes independent.

[BCWWF]

I just skimmed through this whole topic, and here is what I have to say.

A lot of people in the United States are "ignorant," or "easilly swayed". Now when trying to influence these people, if you want them to vote left you don't say "George Bush is bad at public speaking," you go to the extreme, "George Bush lies and put our country in danger," technically they both are true, but which one do you think is going to get more response? It is rediculous to complain that a biased man is being bias when trying to get people to follow him.

Someone asked if Moore would still be doing this without the money, I would say yes. He made The Big One and Roger and Me, and wrote two books before he became famous. I would think that if he was never famous he would still be doing it.

I forgot my third point..Meh

[Vega]

LOL @ the IMDB ratings:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0361596/ratings

all 1's or 10's.

[Boondock Saint]

I'm hearing more negative feedback than positive about this so far...

Where are you hearing negative feedback? From Fox News?

Everything I've heard so far has been overwhelmingly positive. It won the damn Palme d'Or and people are saying it could be the first documentary to be nominated for Best Picture in the Academy Awards.

LOL, Trips

Moore was on Jon Stewart last night. When asked if his movie was biased he said "well of course it is"

In his words, he said he provides facts then adds his opinions. Opinions he believes to be true. What's refreshing listening to him is his acknowledgement that it's biased, most people would try to claim it was fair and balanced in an effort to justify themselves and/or their work.

Opinions are always biased.

[el fregadero]

US users 5.1
Non-US users 8.7

[Boondock Saint]

Originally Posted by Triple A Where are you hearing negative feedback? From Fox News? Everything I've heard so far has been overwhelmingly positive. It won the damn Palme d'Or and people are saying it could be the first documentary to be nominated for Best Picture in the Academy Awards.

Nah just reviews and opinions from normal people on some movie sites/messageboards. I dunno. But those were only advanced screenings or something so it was a select few. Haven't checked back today.

[loopydate]

I'm going to see it tomorrow night. I can't wait.

[BCWWF]

7:25 tonight, I'll tell you after that

[DegenerationY]

Seeing it early tomorrow. It's gonna be worth the money.

Everybody I know is either seeing it today or tomorrow

[Head]

Saw a 1:25 show today.

I liked it a lot, but I already really hate Bush, just as it seemed almost everyone else in the thearter did.

For somebody who really isn't sure who they're gonna vote for in November though, I really don't know that this would sway them too much. He seems to spend just as much time in the movie making fun of Bush going on vacation a lot, and how stupid he looks while getting ready to give an address on TV as he does on his connections to the Saudis. Nothing too ground breaking, or new really if you ask me, even though it was a very funny, and well made film.

[DaveWadding]

Seeing it Sunday.

[BCWWF]

I saw it tonight, and I thought it was really good. The theater broke out in clapping numerous times. The one downfall for me was that I have read Moore's books etc and already know most of the information in the movie. If you ask me, yes of course the movie was biased because it was made to make Bush look bad, but I don't think he went over the line and it didn't seem like facts were altered really. Overall, really good.

Saw it tonight. It ruled, IMO.

For any normal person who isn't a blind conservative Bush lover, I think this movie would easily sway people to not vote for Bush. It made him look so amazingly incompetent over and over and basically showed how shitty the war in Iraq was.

It showed lots of troops there saying how much they hated Bush for making them go there for false reasons. It showed mothers of troops who died, who were pro-Bush and pro-war, but were only blinded by ignorance, as they said, and had now changed their views. It also showed how we were so pumped with fear in order for Bush to gain support for the war.

Some of the scenes were really powerful stuff, like the innocent Iraqi woman hysterically crying that bombs had destroyed her houses and killed five of her family members, and the woman reading her son's last letter before he died in Iraq.

I dunno it was great and hilarious at the same time. The last quote by Bush in the movie is great. Such a perfect ending to the movie.

9/10

[BCWWF]

and the woman reading her son's last letter before he died in Iraq.

I almost cried there.


There were some really LOL moments, "An old saying we have in Tennessee, well we have it in Texas so I assume that you have it in Tennessee, when the going gets tough...duh"

[Buzzkill]

90% of what I've heard about it has been positive.

Really looking forward to seeing this movie.

[John la Rock]

ya I can't wait to see it.

I'm a big fan of Moore even though he lies half of the time

[BCWWF]

Also, I think this movie is effective because it is all about the War in Iraq, it's not taking cheap shots at other political views, it just exploits bad decisions regarding Iraq.

[BCWWF]

The only thing I didn't really like was when he kind of took a cheap shot on the congressmen. That probably wasn't good for him in the future either.

[Smitty]

I saw it today and thought it was really good. Moore was really thorough in his research and cut the film together in such great fashion. One scene you would be on the brink of crying, a second later you would be cracking up laughing. It's still not going to sway how I vote, seeing I'm not ever going to vote until they get rid of the electoral college and because I don't want to be put at the top of the list for jury duty

[Nowhere Man]

I'd suggest the Moore fans here check out this site:

www.bowlingfortruth.com

But I highly doubt any of you will read it, since you'll be too eager to dismiss the writer (and most likely myself) as a gun-totin' moron hick.

[BCWWF]

Nowhere man, you are not creative or innovative by showing us a site like that. Nobody here thinks that Moore is god, nobody thinks he is telling us the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and those little analytical things they point out honestly don't matter. I was just reading through it and it was comparing calling it "evil rock music" to "demonic music," shit like that doesn't matter. We can both look at the little things in his movies differently, but in the end the message is still the same, the broad pictures shown in the movies are still the same, and because some random guy decided that Moore uses "deceptive tactics" doesn't change anyones opinion, because if we didn't already know that, we would already be retarded.

[BCWWF]

To guys like NowhereMan and VEL, let me ask you a question.

Does posting sites like this make you feel better? Make you feel like there really isn't a gun problem in the United States and that half of America doesn't believe we should be in Iraq?

Well get over it.