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Old 04-10-2005, 11:43 PM   #81
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What a fight, these two had. Seriously, that was a fight to remember. I can see now whysome of you guys thought that it should have been a split decision. I say that as a Forrest fan.
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Well, I really can't see how it would get any bigger. With this kind of product, the only way for it to get bigger would to be on mainsteam TV. And I'm not talking about the reality show, I'm talking about the fights being on TV all the time. But without any stories or anything like that, I don't see that happening. Who wants to watch guys fighting in a cage every week? It's life is only going to survive on PPV. So that puts a limit on to how big it can get.
Yea, and without scripted storylines and drama who would want to watch a bunch of grown men playing football every weekend, or play an entire season of baseball. It ridiculous!!

But anyway, my comments on the finale..

The Sanchez/Florian match was pretty much what I expected, but damn they need to let Sanchez talk a lot less on the mic in the future. The Sanchez/Koscheck match would've been much more suited for this show.

Bonnar v. Griffin... holy shit. If I had to bet money going into the fight I was betting on Bonnar simply for the fact that if it came down to submissions I thought Griffin would tap before Bonnar. I guess you all saw how much effect any of that had on the fight. I had no real bias for who I wanted to win, I thought both men were equally deserving. I was doing my own scoring at home and I came up with the same decision the judges did. The first round was close but Griffin landed more punches and was aggressive with takedown attempts. Round 2 went to Bonnar without a doubt, he did more damage, he kept coming, and all Griffin did for most of the last 2 minutes or so was stall and try to make it to the last round. Round 3 went to Griffin because of his agressiveness with the takedowns and the amount of punches he threw. Bonnar was agressive as well, but nothing he did in the 3rd seemed to do much damage (other than drawing more blood). Dana White would've been an idiot not to give both of those men a contract.

The Franklin/Shamrock match was entertaining but short. The only real observation I made here was how much quicker these experienced guys react, how much tighter their holds were, and really just how skilled and refined they were compared to the young guys on the show.

If anybody is interested in the undercard results...

Sam Hogar d. Bobby Southworth by split decision after 3 rounds
-said to be a really bad fight with almost no action at all

Chris Leben d. Jason Thacker by punches in the 1st round

Nate Quarry d. Lodune Sincaid by ref stoppage in the 1st round

Josh Koscheck d. Chris Sanford by KO in round 1

Mike Swick d. Alex Schounouer by KO in 20 SECONDS IN ROUND 1!!!

Alex Karalexis d. Josh Rafferty by KO in round 1
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Old 04-11-2005, 10:02 AM   #83
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Yea, and without scripted storylines and drama who would want to watch a bunch of grown men playing football every weekend, or play an entire season of baseball. It ridiculous!!
That was a shot at me right? Probably. Anyway, the baseball argument is pretty ridiculous as baseball has lost a ton of popularity and comparing baseball to ulitmate fighter is like comparing apples to oranges. Even comparing football to that is pretty ridiculous because Football has been around for ages, has a ton of sponsors, corporations, TV deals behind it and is a such a different sport then ultimate fighting. Same with Baseball too.

UFC has been around for a while now and it hasn't really went anywhere, since it began, until this year. This upcoming PPV is going to be crucial for them.

The only thing you can compare UFC with is Boxing, Karate, and all the other martial art crap.
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I know wrestlers train hard, but I'm looking at it from a certain standpoint.

Pro wrestling is not a business built around dignity...it's always been one to con people. Whether or not they do it anymore is irrelevant, it's still the point of the business. And even now that they have come out and said "this is fake" (circa 1997) the storylines are so hick, I mean necrophillia? come on. Sure there are aspects of pro wrestling MMA can adapt, like cutting promos, but they already have that. If you bastardize it into pro wrestling, it loses the uniqueness that it's supposed to have.

And MMA guys are generally not juiced, because there is standardized drug testing, if they're caught juicing they are fired.

Now of course UFC hasn't gotten anywhere, it's only been around for 10 or so years and it hadn't gotten a television deal, now it has, and now is its chance to lift off. You can adapt some pro wrestling aspects like cutting promos and whatnot, and showing montages of guys training, but they don't need to be attacking each other in the locker room and triangle choking each other's wives, because then it becomes a farce, where pro-wrestling is already somewhat of a farce and always has been.
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That was a shot at me right? Probably. Anyway, the baseball argument is pretty ridiculous as baseball has lost a ton of popularity and comparing baseball to ulitmate fighter is like comparing apples to oranges. Even comparing football to that is pretty ridiculous because Football has been around for ages, has a ton of sponsors, corporations, TV deals behind it and is a such a different sport then ultimate fighting. Same with Baseball too.
I'm not saying the sports are anything alike, just that they both are sports. Football is just an example of a sport that comes on every week (for half of the year) that has no story lines or scripts and people love it. If something like the UFC had more mainstream exposure it could become very popular. Do I think it will ever be as popular as football or even boxing? No, not really, but that wasn't my point. I just wanted to point out that not everything needs to have a script to make it interesting.
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And are you so sure none of these UFC guys are juiced? Cause they train really really hard everyday of thier lives right?
One of the champs was juiced and had to drop the title.
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UFC should have a show on spike where every week no names got at each other and the main event is a well known kickin the crap out of a rookie.
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UFC should have a show on spike where every week no names got at each other and the main event is a well known kickin the crap out of a rookie.
Exactly. That's what I would do. And also take time to introduce the "main guys" to the public. Show old footage, have them talk etc....
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heh. Nice argument there Dale if that's true.
Why would I lie? He was in the main evet at UFC 48 and broke his arm I forgot his name.
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I need to get me some of the old school UFC fights. Like the very first ones when there was no weight classes.
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Some great stuff. Guys fighting 2,3,4 times a night. One style of fighter against another. Some real train wrecks.
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Vince just busted his ass really really hard. Hell, didn't any of you see the training highlight videos?
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That's what they made it sound like after the fight. I don't think they said for sure though.
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I didn't even hear that they were gonna do a second season. That's fuckin sweet. I hope Leben somehow weasels his way on the show again... I like that guy.
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I didn't even hear that they were gonna do a second season. That's fuckin sweet. I hope Leben somehow weasels his way on the show again... I like that guy.
Probably won't happen because his weightclass won't be on the show at all.

If anybody is interested in the results of UFC 52 show....






Liddel won by KO in round 1.
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I watched the ppv. Had some ok matches in it.

I wanted Chuck to win too. I used to live in San Lious Obispo, just a few blocks from where Chucks gym is. I have met him a couple of times on occasion. He is a crazy sob. One day I was at his gym with my brother and Chuck was their just sitting around talking to guys. My brother wanted to talk to him so we went over and had a chat with him. Halfway through the conversation I got thirsty, so I went and got a soda and whenever I came back my brother and chuck were just sitting their staring at each other like real uncomfertable like. After we had left I asked him what the hell happened and apparently while I was gone, my brother asked Chuck if he was scared of anyone in San Lious and Chuck just looked up at him and said "I am not scared of any motherfucker on this planet." He said after that they kinda just didnt say anything until I came back. He said he felt like shitting his pants.

The KO punch was pretty nasty that Randy took. Right on his left side of his jaw, and as he was going down Chuck just jumped on him and hit him 3 or 4 more times. Randy was laying on the mat for a couple of minutes while Chuck ran around the ring and was celebrating. He didnt get up until the end where they raised Chucks hands. He had the damn I just got hit by a freight train look in his eyes.
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So many people are trying to blame the KO on the eye poke thing. They can't seem to accept that Couture got knocked the fuck out. He should've known better than to try and stand up agains Liddel 2 fights in a row. He's probably lucky he didn't get knocked out the first time.
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Sorry did you see the first fight? Randy was hardly lucky he didn't get KO'd. His standing was better than Liddell's. Ignore the eyepoke if you want but it blatantly happened.
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Sorry did you see the first fight? Randy was hardly lucky he didn't get KO'd. His standing was better than Liddell's. Ignore the eyepoke if you want but it blatantly happened.
I meant he was lucky that Chuck wasn't on his game during the first fight. Randy WAS better that night, but he shouldn't have let himself believe that he would be better again. I think most people would agree that Liddel is way better at standing up than he showed during the first fight, Couture should've known he was going to bring it x10 this time around. He should've known he would have to take this one to the ground.
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Sorry did you see the first fight? Randy was hardly lucky he didn't get KO'd. His standing was better than Liddell's. Ignore the eyepoke if you want but it blatantly happened.
The only reason why Chuck's standup wasnt as good as normal was because he didnt know how to go at Randy. The whole fight he couldnt find his space for striking, and thats why he lost.

The 2nd fight was obviously different. Chuck knew what he was doing going into this fight, and YES it was very stupid on Randy's part to try to go the same gameplan as the first fight. NO ONE goes into a rematch and repeats whatever they did in their first fight. Thats just out right stupidity.

The eye poke happened, but Randy said it was ok to continue. You cant blame a loss on something if you say that you are fine to continue. He got caught in the face, not because of the eyepoke, but because he thought "Hey I beat Chuck on standup last fight, I will do it again!".
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