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Old 11-24-2005, 12:56 PM   #81
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I think you're missing the point. The WWE caters to the marks, not us. To the marks, the title looks good. Marks couldn't give two shits about the last two IC Champs. They only care about the guy that it's on. By having it on what looks like a star, the fans may start caring again. If somebody reputable beats Flair, they'll think this guy his hot shit because he beat a good champ. Continue that process, maybe have Flair win it back once, then to the marks, they start remembering that the current champ beat a good former champ.

Fans cared when Orton was the champ. When he lost it, fans stopped caring until now. Why? Because a star is holding it.
Fans stopped caring because the writers couldn't think of a storyline for Shelton.I remember making posts saying that Shelton hasn't being given a proper storyline,the fact is people were bored because the writers weren't doing anything with it.And then when they actually started to do something with it and give Shelton a storyline with Carlito, they scrapped it.God knows why, maybe KK was right, maybe they have actually forgot about Shelton.
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He doesn't have to say it, but he said something like he couldn't believe his eyes when he saw Ric Flair settling for mediocrity-which was talking about Flair winning the IC title,so why would HHH want to settle for the title after he said that?He's world championship material anyway, he doesn't need it.
Of course he doesn't "need" it, but frankly, few guys could really say they "need" just about ANY title.

You do make a decent point, finally, though, but perhaps Triple H is now out to be the man that brings that title "out of mediocrity". Come on, have some imagination.
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but the thing is...the title is on someone who is in an upperclass. the IC belt was mainly for mid-carders and for their seperate group. Now that you have an upper-class wrestler holding on to it. it makes it look like crap when it goes back down into the mid-card range
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Of course he doesn't "need" it, but frankly, few guys could really say they "need" just about ANY title.

You do make a decent point, finally, though, but perhaps Triple H is now out to be the man that brings that title "out of mediocrity". Come on, have some imagination.

I have imagination thanks very much, but I also have common sense, which is something you seem to lack.
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Fans stopped caring because the writers couldn't think of a storyline for Shelton.
I'll always recognize a good point when I see one, regardless of how I personally feel about the matter, and this was a good point.
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Old 11-24-2005, 12:59 PM   #86
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I have imagination thanks very much, but I also have common sense, which is something you seem to lack.
You have common sense? Seriously? You haven't shown it. Also, great job on resorting into turning this into personal attacks rather than a discussion about professional wrestling.

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but the thing is...the title is on someone who is in an upperclass. the IC belt was mainly for mid-carders and for their seperate group. Now that you have an upper-class wrestler holding on to it. it makes it look like crap when it goes back down into the mid-card range
Ex World Champs have held the title before, as well as upper card guys. If done right, it actually elevates not just the title, but the next champion, while not doing much damage to the character of the champion.
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do you really expect Triple H to start dropping out of the main event status??

Yeah..that's it... the Main Event is for the IC Belt
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You have common sense? Seriously? You haven't shown it. Also, great job on resorting into turning this into personal attacks rather than a discussion about professional wrestling.


Ex World Champs have held the title before, as well as upper card guys. If done right, it actually elevates not just the title, but the next champion, while not doing much damage to the character of the champion.

Weak comeback dude, though it was a joke.Notice I used the which i thought implied it was meant to be a joke.
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TL is right though. you gotta be real about triple H he just isnt into it
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do you really expect Triple H to start dropping out of the main event status??

Yeah..that's it... the Main Event is for the IC Belt
He's done it before for a while. Hell, he hasn't been in the main event for the entire second half of this year. He could have a run with the Intercontinental Title (or be in one of any number of other feuds or situations) and still go back to main eventing within a month or two.
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Weak comeback dude, though it was a joke.Notice I used the which i thought implied it was meant to be a joke.
Okay, so that particular smilie means everything's a joke? So if I said you're a complete and utter douchebag who knows fuckall about pro wrestling or anything else for that matter, then included , it'd be okay, because it was a "joke"?
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He hasn't been in the main event because he's been away for the second half of the year since he finished with Batista.
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Okay, so that particular smilie means everything's a joke? So if I said you're a complete and utter douchebag who knows fuckall about pro wrestling or anything else for that matter, then included , it'd be okay, because it was a "joke"?
Man comedown and get back on topic, you left yourself open to the insult anyway by saying HHH could become IC champ.
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He hasn't been in the main event because he's been away for the second half of the year since he finished with Batista.
Yeah, and here he's been working with Ric Flair and on Raws, having matches with guys like Viscera and Val Venis. Real main event spotlight hogging going on THERE.
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Man comedown and get back on topic, you left yourself open to the insult anyway by saying HHH could become IC champ.
You're the one that brought it off topic. Why exactly couldn't Triple H become Intercontinental Champion? For that matter, how long have you been following professional wrestling?
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Oh god here we go.You know after you actually recognized i made a good point, my opinion about you changed and I thought you were a poster who i could have a decent debate with, but now it seems I was wrong eh?

And to answer your question pepsi man, i've been following it for almost 6 years(since no way out 2000 to be exact) but I dont' see how that matters?
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Yeah, and here he's been working with Ric Flair and on Raws, having matches with guys like Viscera and Val Venis. Real main event spotlight hogging going on THERE.
Matches?MATCHES?haha. You call them matches? He beat Viscera in 5 seconds, he got himself dq'ued against val venis, so you can hardly call them serious matches.
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Oh god here we go.You know after you actually recognized i made a good point, my opinion about you changed and I thought you were a poster who i could have a decent debate with, but now it seems I was wrong eh?

And to answer your question pepsi man, i've been following it for almost 6 years(since no way out 2000 to be exact) but I dont' see how that matters?
That's still long enough that you should remember Triple H's Intercontinental Title runs in 2001, which happened AFTER multiple World Title reigns. I'll always recognize a good point when one's made, but I don't see one here, and I don't see that attitude from you either, overall.
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Matches?MATCHES?haha. You call them matches? He beat Viscera in 5 seconds, he got himself dq'ued against val venis, so you can hardly call them serious matches.
Way to miss the point. The irony with this is incredible.
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Maybe you should look through the thread properly and read the points ive made?Notice quite a few agree with me.

And yes I remember those IC title runs, but the only reason he did that was because Stone Cold was the champ instead, and they were both tag champs to.So it didn't harm triple H in anyway to settle for the IC title.
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Way to miss the point. The irony with this is incredible.
You called them matches and used them to show that HHH hasn't been main eventing. That made me laugh that you called them matches.I don't think i've missed the point here.
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Maybe you should look through the thread properly and read the points ive made?Notice quite a few agree with me.

And yes I remember those IC title runs, but the only reason he did that was because Stone Cold was the champ instead, and they were both tag champs to.So it didn't harm triple H in anyway to settle for the IC title.
It didn't?

Shit, in that situation, if anything, I would say he was more hurt than he would if he went out and battled for the Cruiserweight Title now (I know he's not a cruiserweight, so please don't waste your time with bringing that to my attention.). He was playing second fiddle.

Are you telling me that Triple H (character wise, especially) didn't WANT to be the World Champion just because he was holding the Intercontinental Title? Hell, if the Intercontinental Champion doesn't want to be the World Champion, why is the Intercontinental Champion so often in the Royal Rumble?

Steve and Triple H also didn't have the Tag Title when Triple H first defeated Jericho for the strap.
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then again that's when it was all 1 roster and now you a handfull of headliners, and a shitload of mid-carders
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You called them matches and used them to show that HHH hasn't been main eventing. That made me laugh that you called them matches.I don't think i've missed the point here.
And THAT makes ME laugh.
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then again that's when it was all 1 roster and now you a handfull of headliners, and a shitload of mid-carders
A lot of the same basic principles of professional wrestling still apply.
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What made you laugh exactly?

Anyhow,ofcourse HHH wanted to be WWE Champion, but lets face it, he was in the biggest storyline, and Stone Cold is probably the only person who holds(or held) more backstage power than HHH.HHH/Stone Cold were in a power trip storyline, so basically they were dominating everyone, its not like HHH was being held back in anyway.He was always in the spotlight, and as Volare said, back then the roster was bigger.
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What made you laugh exactly?

Anyhow,ofcourse HHH wanted to be WWW Champion, but lets face it, he was in the biggest storyline, and Stone Cold is probably the only person who holds(or held) more backstage power than HHH.HHHH/Stone Cold were in a power tirp storyline, so basically they were dominating everyone, its not like HHH was being held back in anyway.He was always in the spotlight, and as Volare said, back then the roster was bigger.
Would you like for me to spell the point out for you? Fuck it, I'll do it anyway. The point was...now bear with me, because this may be hard to grasp. THOSE MATCHES WITH VISCERA AND VAL VENIS HAVE HARDLY BEEN HIGH PROFILE MATCHES (YES, I USED THE WORD MATCHES, BUT THEY WERE MATCHES), NOR HAVE THEY TAKEN UP THE WHOLE SHOW! I know that may be hard for you to digest, but read it slowly and reread it if you have to, and I think you'll get it eventually. Unless you disagree and think that the matches were the focal point of Raw, you're not disagreeing with my point at all.

When the hell did backstage power come into play in this?
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Well you're hardly going to see Stone Cold as the IC champ are you?That's sort of what I meant by backstage power, maybe it was the wrong term to use.

But I still don't get what you're arguing, i think you're saying HHH hasn't been in the main event because he has been wrestling guys like Val Venis and Viscera, well er, all those matches were there for were to build up his feud with Flair.He'll be in the main event again after this feud with Flair, but that wasn't my point in the first place anyway.It seems like you're trying to twist the arguement around and confuse me here, the point of this thread was that the IC title isn't being used properly, and you guys are trying to tell me that it is being used properly?

Yeah ok, having it not being defended at SS is really using it well.
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Old 11-24-2005, 01:43 PM   #110
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Well you're hardly going to see Stone Cold as the IC champ are you?That's sort of what I meant by backstage power, maybe it was the wrong term to use.

But I still don't get what you're arguing, i think you're saying HHH hasn't been in the main event because he has been wrestling guys like Val Venis and Viscera, well er, all those matches were there for were to build up his feud with Flair.He'll be in the main event again after this feud with Flair, but that wasn't my point in the first place anyway.It seems like you're trying to twist the arguement around and confuse me here, the point of this thread was that the IC title isn't being used properly, and you guys are trying to tell me that it is being used properly?

Yeah ok, having it not being defended at SS is really using it well.
Well, having it not being defended at SummerSlam was just as well. I also see that I completely overestimated you when I first came into this thread. My humble apologies.
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Old 11-24-2005, 01:46 PM   #111
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Well the match was all set up, who knows what went on backstage in order for that match to be cut off.Point is though, there was a feud being built around it back then, now there isn't one and hasn't been since then.
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Old 11-24-2005, 01:58 PM   #112
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any of ya think HHH used his "powers" to have flair get the belt and then have Trips go for it??
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Volare-Thats what i've been saying all through this thread!(well except the bit about having trips go for it)
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i thought so but i ment do you think he shot around some of the talent (like carlito or benjamin) cause i thought Trips gave benjamin some credit one time or another for having a great match
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