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Old 03-29-2006, 01:30 PM   #81
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A momentary punch and handshake alone would sell two million dollars worth of replays and DVDs to people that otherwise wouldn've have bought said replay or DVD? I'm sorry, but that sounds like just a BIT of a stretch to me. I'm not saying it's not controversial, but especially seeing you rip apart other controversial figures, I'm just not willing to overlook this.

I'm not saying you wouldn't get a spike, but two million dollars is a bit ridiculous.

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Old 03-29-2006, 01:40 PM   #82
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I've got to agree with you. NO ONE is worth $2 million for a one-off angle.
Mike Tyson was worth double that at Mania 14. And guys like Austin, Rock, Hart, HHH and Hogan definately all had in excess of $1 million payoffs for various Mania main events.
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:43 PM   #83
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Mike Tyson was worth double that at Mania 14. And guys like Austin, Rock, Hart, HHH and Hogan definately all had in excess of $1 million payoffs for various Mania main events.
And how many of these appearances were not announced beforehand?
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:47 PM   #84
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Mike Tyson was worth double that at Mania 14. And guys like Austin, Rock, Hart, HHH and Hogan definately all had in excess of $1 million payoffs for various Mania main events.
The difference being that they made appearence before and/or after the event. At least Tyson was at multiple RAWs before Mania, building it up WITH HIM ON TV. Big difference between that and them just mocking Bret with no announcement, mention of his name and/or him being on the shows before and/or after the one-off.
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Old 03-29-2006, 01:57 PM   #85
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And how many of these appearances were not announced beforehand?
Half the people already think Bret's gonna be at Mania. They still have the Hall of Fame to build on it if they wanted to.

And for the record, they also gave Ultimate Warrior $500k for a run in at Mania 8. And they offered Bret $1 million to referee the main event in Toronto as a surprise.
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That's a fair point anyway. Bret Hart was never a huge draw, in his prime, when he could physically compete. What kind of difference do you people REALLY believe he would make to the WWE's financial wellbeing if Vince McMahon made him a self-indulgent offer for a one off appearance?

And the Tyson comparison doesn't hold weight, because to my memory Tyson made four seperate appearances, all strategically placed in the lead up to WM14, and which caused a wicked spike in ratings, exposed Stone Cold Steve Austin to casual fan, drummed up a lot of interest in the PPV, and turned business around for the WWF for the next three years. Hardly a waste of money.

But they wouldn't have the same effect with Bret Hart, principally because even if the casual fans DID care enough to check out the show BECAUSE of a Bret Hart angle, there wouldn't be a hot new character like an Austin for them to latch on to and become a big WWE fan all over again, because the product is average at best nowadays, whereas back in 1997/1998 the product was hot and all it needed was for the casuals/mainstreams to give it a look.
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Old 03-29-2006, 02:17 PM   #87
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the only things i like about bret hart is his music and him puting somebody in the sharpshooter on the opening of malcolm in the middle...
but then again i didn't grow up watching him...
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Half the people already think Bret's gonna be at Mania. They still have the Hall of Fame to build on it if they wanted to.
Yes, but you were talking about the scenario of "even with no build up". Not that the Hall of Fame is much buildup anyway, but still.
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I dunno, if a guy I hated for years who accused me of cheating on my wife and then he was involved in the moment that pretty much ended my career, I'd not want to be around him either.
Wow stop being a huge bret mark.
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Old 03-29-2006, 05:16 PM   #90
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Bret is the fucking man...he's obviously gonna show up, hell he could have been entirely kidding around, you dont know.

But hey guess what? I know family members who hold grudges against other family members and wont attened events that are open invites to those they cant get along with, even after so many years. When someone just pisses you off to that extreme, I can understand it.

Bret is over it...he's just not over his distaste for Shawn, which dates back well before the screwjob. Perhaps Bret hates shawn the person, not shawn the guy who fucked over his wwf career.

But as for screwjobs, it is the wwe that cannot get over it, as evidence still shows. Just watch snme for the latest rip off.
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Old 03-29-2006, 05:19 PM   #91
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Old 03-29-2006, 05:32 PM   #92
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Bret is the fucking man...he's obviously gonna show up, hell he could have been entirely kidding around, you dont know.

But hey guess what? I know family members who hold grudges against other family members and wont attened events that are open invites to those they cant get along with, even after so many years. When someone just pisses you off to that extreme, I can understand it.

Bret is over it...he's just not over his distaste for Shawn, which dates back well before the screwjob. Perhaps Bret hates shawn the person, not shawn the guy who fucked over his wwf career.

But as for screwjobs, it is the wwe that cannot get over it, as evidence still shows. Just watch snme for the latest rip off.
WRONG! And on so many levels Zen. Neither party will get over it. Bret is not over it, HBK sure as hell isn't over it, and Vince isn't over it.
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Old 03-29-2006, 05:41 PM   #93
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And Shane Helms isn't over it either.
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Old 03-29-2006, 06:11 PM   #94
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Re: Sunny, didn't she admit to actually having an affair with Michaels recently??? Maybe it all goes back to those two fighting over the same woman!?!?
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Old 03-29-2006, 07:28 PM   #97
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Re: Sunny, didn't she admit to actually having an affair with Michaels recently??? Maybe it all goes back to those two fighting over the same woman!?!?
One of the Bret Hart marks are going to respond to that by saying they never had one (Bret and Sunny).
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One of the Bret Hart marks are going to respond to that by saying they never had one (Bret and Sunny).
Well, didn't Sunny also make a fool of herself at some convention recently, getting thrown out for crying and harrassing Bret, talking about them getting back together or something, basically saying they used to have something going on.

Could well be that the HBK/Bret feud all stems from the fact that they were both shagging Sunny at the same time!! (While she was engaged to Chris Candido the whole time!!)
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Basically, if the reports are accurate, then Sunny has recently admitted to affairs with both Bret and Shawn over the 1996-1997 period.
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Old 03-29-2006, 09:25 PM   #102
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@ the new Tammy spin thrown into the HBK/Bret feud. Yeah, I know, it's not REALLY new, but it's not something that's really talked about much all the time.
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Uh, yeah? Just like the past 2 WrestleManias, where the HOFers were introduced, they stepped forward, waved hello to the crowd, and stepped back. Gee, that must really be hard for Bret Hart to do.
Wow. That really must be a Wrestlemania highlight. I saw some legends wave about. Go wrestling.

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Therefore, the only conclusion that I can draw from him refusing to be there, is that he just doesn't want to do a simple thing like be with the other HOFers and be introduced. He can go home afterwards. Christ.
Limited. Maybe he doesn't want to watch through a shit show, where old people waving is the only thing people watch for.
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she said " i was the best pussy he ever had"

Bret must of thought : did you see my new wife you fat crack-whore?
Then Lita must have said: Did I leave the stove on?

Completely ignoring the situation.
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Wow. That really must be a Wrestlemania highlight. I saw some legends wave about. Go wrestling.
Have you seen the card? It could very well be the most interesting thing on the show.

But apparently, Bret waving was a draw for Mania, and now, there will be rioting in the streets...
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Old 03-30-2006, 08:33 PM   #111
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After some thought:

If WM begins and ends without any Bret Hart action; I'll label him a stuck-up egotistical grudge holding pussy for the remainder of my interest in pro-wrestling.

All these years hearing about 'Bret's thoughts on this and that'; him speaking on his website about current shit and me reading it. Thinking he still cares about the business. Then the absolute perfect scenario comes up, one seemingly crafted for him to do something, and he bitches out. And we got Hitman supporters talking about his conditions and why he can't show up.

C'mon people.

The shit happened a LONG time ago. He got screwed, boo-hoo. Work into a storyline. It's not REAL, it's a story, and Vince made a last minute change. Under no circumstance was Bret's pride or compitition status put in danger. Wrestling is fake. Had he stayed he would've got some revenge in the form of an angle against HBK and became a bigger face than he already was.

And his shit against HBK? What a baby... Matt Hardy had the professional gull to not only return, but have an angle with a man who did him WAY worse than HBK did Bret. So Bret needs to man-up before he loses a longtime fan. I don't wanna waste my time on someone who considers me a waste of his time.

Boo-hoo, "Bret had a stroke, he can barely speak...yada-yada..." Get the fuck outta here, a titantron appearance that would be a deciding factor in the Vince/HBK match is all that's needed. He doesn't need to put his 'broken body' in any more danger than that. I find myself losing more and more respect for him with his dirty-diaper ways these days.

Bret needs to GET OVER IT (as with the Thread's topic) and give his fans a well earned ending to the longest angle in wrestling; real or not. Otherwise I can care less about anymore Hitman news.
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Old 03-30-2006, 08:37 PM   #112
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After some thought:

If WM begins and ends without any Bret Hart action; I'll label him a stuck-up egotistical grudge holding pussy for the remainder of my interest in pro-wrestling.

All these years hearing about 'Bret's thoughts on this and that'; him speaking on his website about current shit and me reading it. Thinking he still cares about the business. Then the absolute perfect scenario comes up, one seemingly crafted for him to do something, and he bitches out. And we got Hitman supporters talking about his conditions and why he can't show up.

C'mon people.

The shit happened a LONG time ago. He got screwed, boo-hoo. Work into a storyline. It's not REAL, it's a story, and Vince made a last minute change. Under no circumstance was Bret's pride or compitition status put in danger. Wrestling is fake. Had he stayed he would've got some revenge in the form of an angle against HBK and became a bigger face than he already was.

And his shit against HBK? What a baby... Matt Hardy had the professional gull to not only return, but have an angle with a man who did him WAY worse than HBK did Bret. So Bret needs to man-up before he loses a longtime fan. I don't wanna waste my time on someone who considers me a waste of his time.

Boo-hoo, "Bret had a stroke, he can barely speak...yada-yada..." Get the fuck outta here, a titantron appearance that would be a deciding factor in the Vince/HBK match is all that's needed. He doesn't need to put his 'broken body' in any more danger than that. I find myself losing more and more respect for him with his dirty-diaper ways these days.

Bret needs to GET OVER IT (as with the Thread's topic) and give his fans a well earned ending to the longest angle in wrestling; real or not. Otherwise I can care less about anymore Hitman news.
Erm, for Matt, I don't think it was professional gull. I think it was about one thing, that being money.

As far as Bret becoming a "bigger face than he already was", someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure in the US (and consequently, on most WWF TV), Bret was still a heel at the time of the screw job.
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As far as Bret becoming a "bigger face than he already was", someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure in the US (and consequently, on most WWF TV), Bret was still a heel at the time of the screw job.
No, no... You're right but here's the thing:

Bret was playing the heel, but honestly; it's Bret freaking Hart. Being a heel doesn't always make you a heel and vice versa. Everytime HBK works in Canada, even now, he's booed like a heel. And he's been playing the face since his return in 2002. So let's not get too technical about this particular situation.

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And as for Matt, sure enough money was a deciding factor; but working an angle with Edge? He didn't have to do that. It was a fan driven angle that broke the fourth wall. The resolution to the Bret/HBK/Vince can be similar.
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Old 03-30-2006, 09:04 PM   #114
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No, no... You're right but here's the thing:

Bret was playing the heel, but honestly; it's Bret freaking Hart. Being a heel doesn't always make you a heel and vice versa. Everytime HBK works in Canada, even now, he's booed like a heel. And he's been playing the face since his return in 2002. So let's not get too technical about this particular situation.

EDIT:

And as for Matt, sure enough money was a deciding factor; but working an angle with Edge? He didn't have to do that. It was a fan driven angle that broke the fourth wall. The resolution to the Bret/HBK/Vince can be similar.
Yeah, Matt REALLY would've gotten his job back had he refused to work with Edge.
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Yeah, Matt REALLY would've gotten his job back had he refused to work with Edge.
That's over simplified. I doubt it went that way. But you have your thoughts of how the business works and I have mine.

But Bret's still being a bitch about it.
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That's over simplified. I doubt it went that way. But you have your thoughts of how the business works and I have mine.

But Bret's still being a bitch about it.
Come on. Do you REALLY think the WWE would've hired Matt back had he said, "Yeah, look, I'd love to come back, but only if you put me on the SmackDown! brand right away and keep me away from Edge."?
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Come on. Do you REALLY think the WWE would've hired Matt back had he said, "Yeah, look, I'd love to come back, but only if you put me on the SmackDown! brand right away and keep me away from Edge."?
Do you really think they foreced on terms of working with Edge? At best they presented the angle to both of them and they saw the draw involved. See how that works? Either way with your thinking or mine; Bret's being a baby about this.
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Do you really think they foreced on terms of working with Edge? At best they presented the angle to both of them and they saw the draw involved. See how that works? Either way with your thinking or mine; Bret's being a baby about this.
Nah, it was ENTIRELY optional. In fact, Matt was backstage sucking Edge off before every show.
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i think bret hart doesn't care or wish to be involved in wrestling- he feels did did his part- wcw did enough damage to his legac--why put another mark againt it by showing up and interfering in the match- as for coming to wave goodbye...I just don't think bret wats to put himself in the same building as HBK..
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...I just don't think bret wats to put himself in the same building as HBK..
Which is the gay-shit I'm pointing out.
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