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Old 11-15-2008, 05:29 PM   #81
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Closers should make no more than 8 million a year. MAX. Seriously, spending 15 million a year on a guy that pitches 60 innings a year is retarded.
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Old 11-15-2008, 05:58 PM   #82
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Cashman already said Joba is coming out of the pen to start next year
Nah, positive he said Joba will be in the rotation all year. He'll be the 5th starter so they can skip his turn in the rotation every now and then.

That Swisher trade is nice, they gave up a bunch of garbage to get him.

I think the best thing the Yankees could do is to trade Damon or Nady. Both only have one year left. Nady could probably bring back a solid pitcher or prospects.

The only thing that sucks is that getting Swisher probably means they don't go after Tex. Thats why trading Nady would be ideal. Tired of first base for the Yankees being a landing spot for old guys that can't play anywhere else. The longer they leave that spot open, the more willing they are to keep so many DH types on their team.

Basically, sign Tex, trade Nady and put Swisher in right.

C - Posada
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2B - Cano
3B - A-Rod
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Also, Burnett is probably the worst possible idea for the Yankees. They need stability in their rotation and a guy that has pitched 200 innings only 3 times in his career doesn't cut it. Also, the fact that the first time he threw 200 innings he pitched 30 innings the next year. And the second time he pitched 130 innings the following year. I'd say coming off a career high in innings doesn't bode well for him next year.

Not sure about Lowe either, he's getting up there in age and he was pretty terrible in Boston his last two years.
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Lowe isnt a superstar, but he can eat innings up and throw some gems. I would rather have Lowe than Mussina.

Nady isnt exactly old, he is like in his late 20s, only a few yers older than Teix, and much cheaper. There wont be much of a market for him anyway until deadline, and since when are the Yanks a Deadline seller?

THere is no way they can sign Teix.

DO you really think they will hand out 2 125+ million dollar contracts? Plus 50 million to Lowe and Burnett. Not in their plans.
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nothing has even happened yet. so you can't really so "no way" to anything. Yea, I agree with everything Deagon said about Burnett. That's why I kind of compare him to a Pavano deal. I think Lowe will be great. The veterans always seem to shine with the Yankees for some reason. It's classic late 90's Yankees formula.
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I think the 140 million offer to Sabathia and the confirmed offers for Lowe and Burnett, plus a trade for Swisher makes it 99 percent "No way" they sign Teix.

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and what I meant was yea they offered those guys deals, but you never know. Those deals could easily fall through or never come about and then they could make a play for Tex
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True. But looking at the way they are approaching this offseason, Teix is not in their plans, and a 125 mIllion dollar man rarely is a fallback plan

I was pretty scared for a minute. Just making sure. How many pics you have on the walls? Is it lik a Yankees room? In my office I have A huge picture of Joe Dimaggio sliding into third, then a Framed picture of every captain in order around the room.
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Lowe isnt a superstar, but he can eat innings up and throw some gems. I would rather have Lowe than Mussina.

Nady isnt exactly old, he is like in his late 20s, only a few yers older than Teix, and much cheaper. There wont be much of a market for him anyway until deadline, and since when are the Yanks a Deadline seller?

THere is no way they can sign Teix.

DO you really think they will hand out 2 125+ million dollar contracts? Plus 50 million to Lowe and Burnett. Not in their plans.
It all depends on how long Lowe wants. If its a two year deal I would love that. Maybe 3 years.

I know Nady isn't old, but he has one year left on his contract. I think they could get a solid return for him. I mean, whatever team that misses out on Manny and the other corner outfielders could definitely use him. I know it won't happen but it would be smart.

Money wise they could sign all 4 guys and that will bring them back to their payroll last year. Obviously they aren't getting all 4 though. They won't get all three of those pitchers anyway.

I just think Cashman will focus on all pitching this offseason and while pitching is the priority, the offense is a problem as well. There are so many question marks offensively next year it isn't even funny.

Posada coming back from surgery is a question. Swisher and Cano are question marks coming off the worst seasons of their career. Matsui is coming off knee surgery. Jeter has been declining a bit every year. Nobody knows if Gardner can hit ML pitching and Nady has had one good year, and he really trailed off towards the end of the year.

Teixeira would really solidify the lineup for a while along with A-Rod.
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You could also say the offense was almost as much to blame as the pitching for our troubles last year. There were so many games where we lost by 1 or 2 runs.
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Closers should make no more than 8 million a year. MAX. Seriously, spending 15 million a year on a guy that pitches 60 innings a year is retarded.
Couldn't agree more, but unfortunately the market is going that way anyway.

I think K-Rod is hella overrated, but I still think he's the best option out there. Fuentes is cheaper but I dunno, something about him just worries me.
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Even if the Jays re-sign Burnett, next year they will be a big question mark. I could see them trading away their assets for prospects. I'm talking about everyone... including Halladay.
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Wow. Now here's one out of the department of the completely unexpected.

Yankees sell Darrell Rasner to the Tohoku Rakuten Golden Eagles for $1 mil.

Kinda wondering if we're gonna get our heads back into Japan. Picking up Igawa a couple years ago really spooked us.
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ha, not me. raised in the Bronx and Yonkers (NY) and lived in New Rochelle, NY forever. I've got just those two on the wall. I live in an apartment right now with the wife. That wall is just part of the dining room. I've got a lot more pictures and all my baseball memorabilia back in my old room at my parents house. Once we get a house, it'll all move into my "man land"
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Anyway, apparently K-Rod took a physical in New York already and the Mets are said to have made the best offer so far, although he isn't entirely happy with the money.
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If Manny wins the NL MVP I will lose all respect for every baseball writer.
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Well he put the team on his back and hit RIDICULOUSLY!

I mean I don't think he is going to win it, I think Pujols is getting it. But I feel Manny was everything an MVP is. Without him, the dodgers don't make the playoffs.
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I think the Dodgers would have made the playoffs without Manny because the NL West was so terrible this year. If they were in any other division, they would have struggled. Pujols or Howard deserve it more.

Also, as a Red Sox fan, I don't want to see a player we traded away win the MVP on a different team. Already saw it happen a few years ago when the Bruins traded Joe Thornton to San Jose.
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Why? This isnt about the best player, or who played the most games with a team, it is about the value to a player to a team.

Manny took the dodgers from fighting for second, to the NL championship game.

Who else even came close to that value?

take Pujols away and cards are still a middle of the road team. Take away manny and there is no way the dodgers make the playoffs.
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The Cards are a middle of the road team? They had a better record than the Dodgers while playing in a much, MUCH tougher division. The only reason the Dodgers went to the playoffs is because the NL West is garbage. 30 of Manny's 53 games with LA were against teams with losing records.

It was bad enough that Pujols was robbed of the MVP in 2006 but if he doesn't win it this year it'll be a travesty.
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Ryan Braun deserves some consideration. More than Manny does. Pujols should wind up winning because he helped make Ryan Ludwick and the rest of that line-up look legitimate. Ryan Howard's first half numbers were too atrocious for them to let him win the award. This is how it will probably wind up:

1. Albert Pujols
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4. Manny Ramirez
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Take away Pujols and the Cards still finish 3rd in their division.

So that is middle of the road to me. They dont suck, but they arent a playoff team.

Without manny the Dodgers finish no better than 3rd. That is Value.
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Yeah, I can see Braun having a case. Good point there.

Howard/Utley cancel each other out and eat up one anothers vote, plus utley missed time.
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The Dodgers were playing .500 baseball and only 2 games back in the division before Manny came so to say they'd somehow finish 3rd behind Colorado without Manny is ludicrous. Arizona played sub .500 baseball after the Manny deal as well. And people seem to easily forget that LA had the NL's best team ERA.

St. Louis was in contention for the wild card up until the last two weeks of the season. If you think they would've been anywhere close to that without Pujols you are grossly mistaken.
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I think a team needs to make a playoff for a guy to count as MVP...But to each their own.

If you want Pujols to win it, then you support voting for Josh Hamilton for MVP too. Neither team made the playoffs but would be "Worse" off without them.
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Pujols wins

2. Howard
3. Braun
4. Manny

I think I got it right
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Howard winning would be even worse than Manny. The argument that Manny was valuable is at least legitimate. Howard is a candidate entirely on stat inflation because he hits in a monster lineup. If Pujols had the opportunities Howard had the MVP race wouldn't even be a contest. Howard had 223 plate appearances with runners in scoring position (4th most in the majors) compared to Pujols' 176 (57th). And even despite Howard's high HR and RBI numbers, he only ranked 25th in Runs Created (Pujols is #1).

This doesn't even get into the 13 less errors Pujols made at 1st base.
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I think a team needs to make a playoff for a guy to count as MVP...But to each their own.

If you want Pujols to win it, then you support voting for Josh Hamilton for MVP too. Neither team made the playoffs but would be "Worse" off without them.
There's more to it than making the playoffs. If St. Louis was in the NL West you know they would have won that division easily.
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For most of the season, the 3 NL teams with the best records were Chicago, Milwaukee, and St. Louis. Playoffs or not, Pujols rightfully earned the MVP award this season.
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Giants sign Jeremy Affeldt to a 2-year deal, first player to change teams via free agency this offseason.

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So you guys were cool with A Rod winning it in texas? I know thats an extreme example, I just think some form of accomplishment should be part of the MVP race.

Im not trying to knock on Pujols, the guy is a beast, I just dont like his MVP win.

Who is taking the AL MVP?
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A-Rod won because there was no one else to give it to. It was either him or Delgado whose team was also out of contention. Shannon Stewart finished 4th in the MVP voting that year. SHANNON STEWART
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In a relatively odd decision, the Yanks and Cubs will play their final Spring Training games of the year in the new Yankee Stadium. Seems odd to want to have your first game in a new park being an exhibition, though I'm sure the Mets will do something similar as well.

If the Subway Series weren't a yearly occurrence, it woulda been awesome to see both NY teams play exhibitions against each other to start their new parks.
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The Reds played two exhibition games against Cleveland when they opened Great American. It only makes sense to want to have a test run to make sure everything goes accordingly.
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