Forrest Griffin vs. Anderson Silva at UFC 101

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Its not that big of a size difference. Its really not.

We'll see come fight time.

[Fabien Barthez]

I don't know how to argue with someone who makes it up as he trundles, so whatever.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez He was responding to Rob saying he weighed under 200lbs for that fight. At that point, the argument was that Anderson won't even weigh 205. Not the same thing.

Why are people still going on about that?

Originally Posted by Rob Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure he weighed in at less than 200lbs for the James Irvin fight too.

I got corrected and yet people are still harping on about

And where was the arguement that Anderson Silva wouldn't make 205lbs? It was people denying Forrest Griffin would be a legit 20lbs plus heavier come fight time. Anderson Silva won't be in that cage weighing 225-230lbs. Forrest Griffin will very easily.

[Fabien Barthez]

But, nobody denied that. Just read back. That's why this guy keeping on arguing this is so frustrating.

[Rob]

Actually, RP said Anderson Silva walks around at 225-230lbs and when asked if he was saying he cuts over 40lbs to make weight, he said he didn't have to because Anderson Silva said it.

Anderson Silva hasn't said this anywhere I've looked. I'm just saying.

Also, RP mentioned that Silva weighed in at 206 for the Irvin fight and used that to talk up his arguement to how Forrest Griffin will not have a weight advantage on the night.

You telling me you agree with that?

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

RP kept on denying it then you started agreeing with him you fucking tit.

Also I'm pretty sure I read an interview with Silva saying he walked around at 215. But it's a moot point now anyways.

[Terra Ryzin]

kinda funny that i google "anderson silva walkaround weight" and just about all the results are message boards with people arguing over his weight

[The Mackem]

Does this thread rank high?

[RP]

Originally Posted by Rob Silva isn't as big a middleweight as people think. He makes 185lbs with ease. He came in at 182lbs for the Leites fight. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure he weighed in at less than 200lbs for the James Irvin fight too. There is a very good chance Griffin could have 20-25lbs on Silva when they get in the cage.

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Silva weighed in at 206 for the Irvin fight.

This is what was actually said Rob. Its on the first page.

[The Show Off]

The reason I believe that Forrest is a bigger fighter because he's always fought at 205 and couldn't possibly make a 185 weight class, his body is just too big to allow that, where as Anderson Silva makes 185 regularly and in his fight against Yushin Okami weighed in at 174lbs and that was only a little over 3 years ago between the ages of 30 and 34 your body doesn't change at all.

So since Anderson Silva could make a 174 weight when he was thirty years old and the fact that the best of my knowledge Forrest has never faught below 204/205 I think that Forrest Griffin is a bigger fighter.

But this is all just conjecture but we'll find out who's bigger when they go head to head.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder This is what was actually said Rob. Its on the first page.

Er... I just fucking quoted myself saying that.

I said Silva makes weight at 185lbs with ease - FACT.

I said he weighed 182lbs for the Leites fight - FACT.

I said someone could correct me if he didn't weigh 199lbs for the Irvin fight and I got correct and never argued back - FACT.

I said there is a very good chance Griffin would have a 20-25lbs weight advantage against Silva on the night of their fight and he will - FACT


In the words of Kimbo Slice - "I'm done Gus".

[Fabien Barthez]

That last one isn't a fact. It is a presumption. And you have no argument because it is May, and not August right now. Unless of course, you are going to his Weight Watchers class every week until then.

As of the end of the Lietes fight, he has about 9 months until he needs to make 185lbs again. It's preposturous to suggest that he won't close the weight gap more than what you suggested Rob.

[Rob]

How is it? Have you ever been to a gym? You can't put on 20lbs of solid muscle and keep it during a weight cut process within 3 months without steroids. It just can't be done. The only other way he puts on the weight and keeps it during his training is by adding body fat and he won't be doning that.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You can only put on I think like 1 and a third pounds of muscle a month if you are working your balls off unless you are on steroids apparently. You can't just up and put 20 pounds of muscle on.

[Rob]

Don't worry, they won't listen Dale.

[Fabien Barthez]

I said he will close the gap, not match him. You can add way more muscle than that if you have the right workout and diet plan. He could put on 12lbs of muscle pretty easily in this time.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez I said he will close the gap, not match him. You can add way more muscle than that if you have the right workout and diet plan. He could put on 12lbs of muscle pretty easily in this time.

Pretty easily? lmfao shut the fuck up.

[NoJabbaNoBogRoll]

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

You know this thread is totally beating a dead horse and I should have stopped a long time ago, but I can't help but argue with Fabien because he is such an immense douchebag.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez I said he will close the gap, not match him. You can add way more muscle than that if you have the right workout and diet plan. He could put on 12lbs of muscle pretty easily in this time.

Get off the drugs.

[Fabien Barthez]

Originally Posted by Crash Bang Newstead You can only put on I think like 1 and a third pounds of muscle a month if you are working your balls off unless you are on steroids apparently.

So what makes what you say, with such confidence in what you are saying, correct, and me so fucking wrong?

You have literally just made up something to back up what you are saying. My brother owns gyms. His business is mens health and fitness. But I suppose his knowledge compared to your 'facts' is redundant, right?

I mean, working your balls off to gain muscle mass. You are literally still as stupid as when you were tragically spawned. Go and read a men's health magazine, go talk to someone who runs a gym. I can take being spoken to like a piece of shit, merely for disagreeing with someone, but when your point proving comebacks contain 'I think's and 'aparently's then as far as i'm concerned my arguing is done for me.

I too am getting bored of this, having some twat dispell things I know with things 'he think's....... apparently.

[Fabien Barthez]

Originally Posted by Rob How is it? Have you ever been to a gym? You can't put on 20lbs of solid muscle and keep it during a weight cut process within 3 months without steroids. It just can't be done.

Well, I disagree. I have been to a gym, several, many times. Until someone here can come up with some sort of solid factual information about this, you are as full of shit as you think I am.

disagree with that? tell me how I am wrong without any evidence to back up what you say? And tell me why its so audacious for me to suggest you are wrong on the same grounds as you suggest me?

Drugs are way safer than your hypocracy Berty.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Your brother owning multiple gyms just means he is a good businessman.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Also doesn't someones metabolism come into play when concerning muscle gain?

[Fabien Barthez]

It more means he started a business he was passionate about, as this was his goal. And with this being your sole focus, you are inevitably going to garner a level of expertise on the subject.

Yeah, metabolism, personal fitness levels, diet, rest is one of the most fundamental factors in muscle growth. Muscle grows during resting periods, so regulating your workout/rest ratio based on how your body reacts best can produce way way way more rapid results than someone who thinks 'I wanna get big, I'm just going to spank the gym every day until my veins pump fire'

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez It more means he started a business he was passionate about, as this was his goal. And with this being your sole focus, you are inevitably going to garner a level of expertise on the subject.

Someone owning multiple locations of a certain business does not automatically mean that person has any passion for that endeavor. Also in this position you can have no idea about anything except actually running a business and assigning someone to run the day to day operation. There are plenty of people who open businesses just for the sake of making money.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez Well, I disagree. I have been to a gym, several, many times. Until someone here can come up with some sort of solid factual information about this, you are as full of shit as you think I am. disagree with that? tell me how I am wrong without any evidence to back up what you say? And tell me why its so audacious for me to suggest you are wrong on the same grounds as you suggest me? Drugs are way safer than your hypocracy Berty.

Two words - Fuck off.

[Fabien Barthez]

Well, no mate. If that is all you have in response for my challenging your imperial wizdom, then maybe you should.

[Rob]

Well you talk about me providing facts to prove you wrong. Why aren't you providing said facts to prove us wrong?

And what hypocracy is this you speak of too?

Actually, don't bother answering. I'll have more chance getting a sane answer from my socks.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez So what makes what you say, with such confidence in what you are saying, correct, and me so fucking wrong? You have literally just made up something to back up what you are saying. My brother owns gyms. His business is mens health and fitness. But I suppose his knowledge compared to your 'facts' is redundant, right? I mean, working your balls off to gain muscle mass. You are literally still as stupid as when you were tragically spawned. Go and read a men's health magazine, go talk to someone who runs a gym. I can take being spoken to like a piece of shit, merely for disagreeing with someone, but when your point proving comebacks contain 'I think's and 'aparently's then as far as i'm concerned my arguing is done for me. I too am getting bored of this, having some twat dispell things I know with things 'he think's....... apparently.

I work at a gym you fucking tosser. I also lift weights. Do you know the difference in someone's appearance when they put on even 10 pounds of muscle, they look absolutely fucking jacked. putting on 10 pounds of muscle is MASSIVE.

You're a stupid cunt.

[Reavant]

jesus christ!... ok yes it is possible for people to put on pounds of muscle in short periods of time without steroids. These types of people are very knowledgeable and skilled in working their own body chemestry and training regimens. However they are almost certainly people that are focused only in traing weights. Ie body builders or power lifters. To be able to make gains in muscle like that you have to be devoting all you training to lifting. Not intense cardio trainging, not boxing, not muey thai, not jujitsu...

We are not talking about lifters you see in a gym, we are talking about MMA fighters, especially anderson silva. The argument that he is putting muscle on is especially ammusing because he has incredably low muscle tone compaired to probably 90% of his fellow fighters at his weight class. Plus him putting weight on like that would make him big and bulky, thus causing his body to move differently, and slow down. (why you dont see many bodybuilders as fighters)

[Fabien Barthez]

Originally Posted by Rob Well you talk about me providing facts to prove you wrong. Why aren't you providing said facts to prove us wrong? And what hypocracy is this you speak of too? Actually, don't bother answering. I'll have more chance getting a sane answer from my socks.

Because I'm not the one who is shooting the other down. All I've had is aggressive knockdowns from you and that other dickhead (who out of the blue, works in a gym, didn't see that coming from the master of bullshit)

I was told by you superstars of arguing that the most you can put on is 1 1/3rd lbs of muscle a month. Which is total bollocks. You could throw a dart at a board blindfolded and land on a number more accurate to the truth.

You are a hypercrite because you are arguing with the same lack of evidence as me, yet everything you say is 100% accurate, and every disagreement has called for you to disregard my reading of this thread, tell me to fuck off, inscinuate I am on drugs, because I don't agree with you, and now I'm insane.

Yet, you still prove nothing. Arguments aren't won on siding with knobheads and just insulting your way to victory. Scarily, you are actually older than me, and yet you want a playground argument, and siding with this wanker who is literally just making stats up one every 3 hours. As fast has his brain can produce them.




Reav, 10-12lbs isn't that much. It's a similar defecit to what Rich Franklin put on muscle-wzie from his last MW fight to his following 205 fights. Granted he is very lean, but he is still a more than comfortable size for MW. 10 solid lbs added for his forrest fight are hardly going to restrict his speed and movement to a point they jeprodise him.

[Fabien Barthez]

Oh, and post your sig gym king newstead. Let us all marvel at the physique you are currently chisseling out with all your knowledge and because you are a (SHIRT) lifter and working a gym andLIES.....

How do you get such definition in your arms dude? tell me your secrets to physical perfection.

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez Oh, and post your sig gym king newstead. Let us all marvel at the physique you are currently chisseling out with all your knowledge and because you are a (SHIRT) lifter and working a gym andLIES..... How do you get such definition in your arms dude? tell me your secrets to physical perfection.

lol god you're a fag

[Ol Dirty Dastard]

Oh and wait, let's look at a picture from me a year ago, when I hadn't been lifting any weights. (plus I look marvelous in a dress)

[Fabien Barthez]

insults and lies.

[The Show Off]

I just started this thread to talk about the possabilities of this awesome fight and what has this become?

I've been on TPWW for over 8 years and this is one of the longest threads I've started and the people on it are barley talking about the subject I started. It was partially my fault so whatever.

Got I love The People's Wrestling Website.

[bigdaddysuperfreak]

Originally Posted by The Show Off I just started this thread to talk about the possabilities of this awesome fight and what has this become? I've been on TPWW for over 8 years and this is one of the longest threads I've started and the people on it are barley talking about the subject I started. It was partially my fault so whatever. Got I love The People's Wrestling Website.

Dont blame yourself, blame society.

[Reavant]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez Reav, 10-12lbs isn't that much. It's a similar defecit to what Rich Franklin put on muscle-wzie from his last MW fight to his following 205 fights. Granted he is very lean, but he is still a more than comfortable size for MW. 10 solid lbs added for his forrest fight are hardly going to restrict his speed and movement to a point they jeprodise him.

again... look at his muscle tone compaired to rich franklin.

Also look at the way the two fight. Rich uses more strength and power when he fights which would be improved by gains in muscle mass. Anderson fights with speed and accuracy. Something that putting on 10-12 pounds of muscle would hinder.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Fabien Barthez Because I'm not the one who is shooting the other down. All I've had is aggressive knockdowns from you and that other dickhead (who out of the blue, works in a gym, didn't see that coming from the master of bullshit) I was told by you superstars of arguing that the most you can put on is 1 1/3rd lbs of muscle a month. Which is total bollocks. You could throw a dart at a board blindfolded and land on a number more accurate to the truth. You are a hypercrite because you are arguing with the same lack of evidence as me, yet everything you say is 100% accurate, and every disagreement has called for you to disregard my reading of this thread, tell me to fuck off, inscinuate I am on drugs, because I don't agree with you, and now I'm insane. Yet, you still prove nothing. Arguments aren't won on siding with knobheads and just insulting your way to victory. Scarily, you are actually older than me, and yet you want a playground argument, and siding with this wanker who is literally just making stats up one every 3 hours. As fast has his brain can produce them.

Stick the the name calling. Everything you say is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.

And blah.