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Old 07-05-2009, 07:35 PM   #81
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ONLY MALE SINGLES MATCHES FEATURING A MEMBER OF THE KLIQ ARE WORTH MY TIME!

+CENA MATCHES! YAY!
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:35 PM   #82
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:36 PM   #83
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No, I think you guys are either misunderstanding what I'm saying or are just trying to get a rise out of me. WWE rarely gives time to Women's matches, rarely has talented ladies competing (which is getting less common these days but you still have alot of useless Divas around), doesn't make a big deal out of Women's competition, and tells us to pay more attention to the ladie's bodies rather than their in ring skill on purpose. They basically set them up to fail before hand. I don't take the division seriously because the matches are subpar, there is no character development (not in all cases, but generally), and the people making the program don't even take them seriously.

I'm saying that over the course of the past 10-15 years, I just haven't been interested in the matches or the way that the entire division is portrayed. I'm not saying that these Women do not have the potential to put on great programming, but they really aren't even given a chance to do so. Alot of you think I'm saying that Women in general can't perform and that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that the way the division works and the amount of time they are given to perform, it's nearly impossible to be taken seriously. Do I think that Beth and Mickie could main event a RAW for the Women's title in a 2 out of 3 falls match? Yes, I do and it would probably be pretty damn good, but will it happen? No. It won't. We will mostly likely get a gravytrain match instead.


You're broadening the subject matter here. The point is that you think women's matches in WWE are a waste because that's what WWE has conditioned you to believe. You either need to broaden your horizons and watch other wrestling besides WWE or not let WWE's booking have such profound impact on you.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:37 PM   #84
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Alright Destor, I won't go take a piss the next time there is a bra and panties match. Will this make you happy?
Feel free to piss during those...can't even remeber the last one of those I saw tbh but their only purpose is smut unlike a WRESTLING MATCH. Which somehow you are confusing.

You can tell a smut gimmick from a match right?
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:38 PM   #85
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:41 PM   #86
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You're broadening the subject matter here. The point is that you think women's matches in WWE are a waste because that's what WWE has conditioned you to believe. You either need to broaden your horizons and watch other wrestling besides WWE or not let WWE's booking have such profound impact on you.
If I hear that the matches are good, I usually go back and watch them on DVR. As it stands, there are rarely outstanding Women's matches in the WWE. I've said nothing about the quality of them in other promotions because I rarely watch other promotions.

You guys just don't want to hear that somebody doesn't like something that you like. I was willing to leave this as just conflicting opinions, you guys dragged this out into something bigger than it was.
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If I hear that the matches are good, I usually go back and watch them on DVR. As it stands, there are rarely outstanding Women's matches in the WWE. I've said nothing about the quality of them in other promotions because I rarely watch other promotions.

You guys just don't want to hear that somebody doesn't like something that you like. I was willing to leave this as just conflicting opinions, you guys dragged this out into something bigger than it was.
No it's REALLY not that. You being so close minded that women's wrestling isn't worth your time is thre problem.
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No it's REALLY not that. You being so close minded that women's wrestling isn't worth your time is thre problem.
Exactly.

I couldn't care less what you do or don't like, it's your logic that is bugging the shit out of me.
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No it's REALLY not that. You being so close minded that women's wrestling isn't worth your time is thre problem.
That's not what I said. I told you that I'll go back and watch the matches on DVR if I hear that they are good. It's just like matches involving guys that I don't think work well (Henry, Koslov, etc.). I don't usually watch them unless I hear it's something I should watch. The track record for women's matches just isn't very good given the amount of time that is given to them and the talent that the WWE chooses to display sometimes.
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Seems like no matter what we say, you're still going at have an "out" so this is really pointless now.

First women's matches aren't worth the time, now you're saying you'll go back and watch them if you hear they're good. Make up your mind, then get back to me.
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Old 07-05-2009, 07:51 PM   #91
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That's not what I said. I told you that I'll go back and watch the matches on DVR if I hear that they are good. It's just like matches involving guys that I don't think work well (Henry, Koslov, etc.). I don't usually watch them unless I hear it's something I should watch. The track record for women's matches just isn't very good given the amount of time that is given to them and the talent that the WWE chooses to display sometimes.
Right and instead of judging them based on being bad workers (like Henry and Koslov) you judge them on their vaginas. I dont give a lot of attention to the matches from the "divas". No different then the poor male workers. But the girls who CAN wrestle? All eyes on the screen. And the WWE has a good number of girls who can go. But you wouldn't know that cause you're in the bathroom.
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..and lol, the womens wrestling is only worth his time if someone else tell him about it.
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An "out"? Am I supposed to get on my knees, tell you you are right, suck your dick, then shoot myself in the head for causing you trouble or something? What do you want? I don't think any of us are right or wrong. You really want me to say I'm wrong here but I don't think I am. I think it's a matter of opinion.

I already said in the beginning that there are some good women's matches but you don't want to acknowledge that. I've said all that can be said on the matter. Either agree or disagree.
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An "out"? Am I supposed to get on my knees, tell you you are right, suck your dick, then shoot myself in the head for causing you trouble or something?
You're ridiculous. YES NARC THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.
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I agree with Juan that you're a sexist closed minded tool.
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I've got to side with Narc here. The vast majority of women's matches in WWE are pretty terrible and sloppy and are generally there for the eye candy. I won't shit on the entire concept of women's wrestling, because I know there are a lot of great female wrestlers out there. But WWE's concept of women's wrestling is not what women's wrestling should be.
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Plus, it's hard to take your opinion on this matter seriously, when it changes from post to post.
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You're ridiculous. YES NARC THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WANT.
Why is it that of all the stuff I say, you only acknowledge like the first sentence?
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I've got to side with Narc here. The vast majority of women's matches in WWE are pretty terrible and sloppy and are generally there for the eye candy. I won't shit on the entire concept of women's wrestling, because I know there are a lot of great female wrestlers out there. But WWE's concept of women's wrestling is not what women's wrestling should be.
That's fine, but what Narc initially said was that women's wrestling was not worth his time.
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Why is it that of all the stuff I say, you only acknowledge like the first sentence?
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I've got to side with Narc here. The vast majority of women's matches in WWE are pretty terrible and sloppy and are generally there for the eye candy. I won't shit on the entire concept of women's wrestling, because I know there are a lot of great female wrestlers out there. But WWE's concept of women's wrestling is not what women's wrestling should be.
If that was what Narc was saying it would be fine. Instead of lumping all the talented women they do have up with the diva trash and shting on all the quality angles they've actually had over the years.

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Plus, it's hard to take your opinion on this matter seriously, when it changes from post to post.
Seriously.

Again my only issue has been stereotyping and generalizing.

Basically being a closedminded tool.
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..and when Diva trash comes up when you're talking baout Trish and/or Lita you know you really don't get the difference.
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Plus, it's hard to take your opinion on this matter seriously, when it changes from post to post.
It never changed, you're just trying to interpret it differently from how you know that I meant it. I know some Women's matches are good and I said that from the beginning but most of them aren't. Some due to the talent of the women in the ring and some due to WWE's inability to see them for anything else than eye candy. Believe it or not, WWE's portrayal of Women's wrestling does effect the quality of the matches.
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Old 07-05-2009, 08:03 PM   #106
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Not that anyone is taking this thread serious anymore, but Lita. Anything you're going to get from Trish is the same old shit Trish has done before. She's either going to be the happy, springy, clean-cut uber-Diva or the vaguely trashy prissy pseudo-bitch. There are still a few things that might be done with Lita; consider that she's never had any kind of real push that didn't latch her onto a guy. Trish has been tapped dry (That one was also sexual! Giggity!) while Lita could still do a thing or two new. I'm not saying that WWE WOULD do anything different with her, but whereas with Lita they MIGHT, with Trish they WON'T.

Plus, and I refuse to apologize to everyone out their with the libido creativity of a 13 year old, but I'd take a trashy redhead over a barbie-doll blonde any day.
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That's fine, but what Narc initially said was that women's wrestling was not worth his time.
And most of it isn't. I still think that. I said from the beginning though that there are sometimes great performers and great matches. Yoiu guys just don't want to hear that.
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If WWE doesn't give two shits about women's wrestling, why should we?

And I'm not talking about in general, but in the WWE.

And ask MC, she knows first hand Vince's opinion on this.
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If WWE doesn't give two shits about women's wrestling, why should we?

And I'm not talking about in general, but in the WWE.
This was my original argument. When I say it though I'm brainwashed.
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And most of it isn't. I still think that. I said from the beginning though that there are sometimes great performers and great matches. Yoiu guys just don't want to hear that.
And see hear's the problem, most is. Most in the WWE? No. But fuck that goes for men too. But there is an insane ammount of AMAZING female wrestling and you will never know about because you only do what th eWWE wants you to.
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If WWE doesn't give two shits about women's wrestling, why should we?

And I'm not talking about in general, but in the WWE.

And ask MC, she knows first hand Vince's opinion on this.
Because Im not Vince's puppet mostly. By that logic we should all be Cena marks.
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And most of it isn't. I still think that. I said from the beginning though that there are sometimes great performers and great matches. Yoiu guys just don't want to hear that.
Yes, you've said this already and trust me, I BELIEVE YOU, but my problem is with the "women's wrestling isn't worth my time" mentality.
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If WWE doesn't give two shits about women's wrestling, why should we?

And I'm not talking about in general, but in the WWE.

And ask MC, she knows first hand Vince's opinion on this.
Vince doesn't give a shit about internet wrestling smarks either, but yet here we are...
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My point is that the way he books it, it SHOWS that he doesn't give a fuck. If they put women wrestlers out there in almost every match and completely ignored storylines I'd be contempt to watch the matches. Instead we're subjected to terrible piss break matches.
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My point is that the way he books it, it SHOWS that he doesn't give a fuck. If they put women wrestlers out there in almost every match and completely ignored storylines I'd be contempt to watch the matches. Instead we're subjected to terrible piss break matches.
The same with half the roster.
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My point is that the way he books it, it SHOWS that he doesn't give a fuck. If they put women wrestlers out there in almost every match and completely ignored storylines I'd be contempt to watch the matches. Instead we're subjected to terrible piss break matches.
I think people miss the good ones because of said piss breaks. Like i said earlier, most wrestling fans are programmed to hate women's wrestling, so when there IS a good match, you will never hear about it because everyone is on a piss break.
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