NFL 2005 Season Thread

[RP]

well probably not the toughest in history, but tough.

[RP]

The Colts six game stretch is brutal. I'd be happy with 3 out of 5 games as wins honestly.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder well probably not the toughest in history, but tough.

Actually Ellias or one of the sports stats groups did it, and the Pats had the toughest 6 game stretch in NFL history and one of the toughest full season schedules in history, but those studies don't take into account the current team, it's history, the Jets ain't last year Jets, etc..

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder The Colts six game stretch is brutal. I'd be happy with 3 out of 5 games as wins honestly.

being humble, the Jags will spread you out again and give you a run.

Pittsburg D is good, but their offense can't keep up with you, especially in Indy.

16-0 wouldn't shock me, the Colts have a great team, plain and simple.

if the Colts make it 10-0, then you'll start seeing the old Dolphins at the games, and then if the Colts lose a game they start celebrating.

[RP]

The Cincinatti game will be a shoot out. They are the one team that could win a shootout with Indianapolis. Difference will probably be turnovers and they are pretty good in that catagorie, but so are we. So then you'd have to look at defensive line play. I think we win that catagorie. Colts will win in a shootout.

Pittsburgh can beat us if they do what most teams have failed to do which is run the ball 30+ times on us. Even tho we have Corey Simon in there and are D lin is decent. We still havent been tested much. I thought San Fransico's game plan was brilliant. Ever run play they ran was a draw play. They let are definsive ends explode up field then just snuck it up the middle. They gained alot of yards on us.

I'm not getting into this now, but i question Bellicheks game planning. Honestly i thought it was pretty piss poor. They barely ran the ball on the Colts. Didnt try to go down field much. Pretty much played to the Colts strengths. The onside kick was a big WTF moment for me. Your down only 2 td's and theres 20 minutes to go. You go for a play that works 20% of the time if that . Basically he decided to give the ball to Manning on the 30 yard line instead of the Colts 20 yard line. Made no sense to me at all. The challenge on the second Harrison td was embarressing . Not benching Duane starks til the 3rd quarter was pretty stupid considering I think he was burned before the game even started. Then he gor burned on the first play of the game for a 40+ yarder.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Well I think they reluctant to bench Starks since bringing Gay up to play corner ment Matt Stone (who has seen 0 time this season) had to play safety. I totally forgot about Troy Brown too, their secondary seems to be in more trouble then it was last year and there is no talk of him playing on the other side the of the ball - but at the sametime last night was his first game back since the 1st weekend of October I believe.

[VonErich Lives]

Belicheck said on the Challenge, he was going to use a Time out anyway, so he figured why not challenge the play if he's going to use a time out anyway.

I love all the reports of Bill Polian shooting off his mouth... what a putz.

"The rules apply to everyone else but not the patriots".

Even worse was at the end of the game, (which I didn't understand why the pats ran a play at the end of the game, unless they were thinking of the points scored tie breaker) but aperently Polian said "break his fucking leg" refering to Flutie.

real nice, what a jackass... I like the rivalry, and unlike the Dolphins, I don't dislike the Colts or their players, but I tell ya.. Polian gives me someone to hate on the Colts.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Then he gor burned on the first play of the game for a 40+ yarder.

Can't fault him 100% on that one, he was supposed to have help on that play, the Colts ran a good play, flag patterns to the same side, and the saftey bit on the TE instead of helping on the WR.

[RP]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Belicheck said on the Challenge, he was going to use a Time out anyway, so he figured why not challenge the play if he's going to use a time out anyway. I love all the reports of Bill Polian shooting off his mouth... what a putz. "The rules apply to everyone else but not the patriots". Even worse was at the end of the game, (which I didn't understand why the pats ran a play at the end of the game, unless they were thinking of the points scored tie breaker) but aperently Polian said "break his fucking leg" refering to Flutie. real nice, what a jackass... I like the rivalry, and unlike the Dolphins, I don't dislike the Colts or their players, but I tell ya.. Polian gives me someone to hate on the Colts.

your source?

[OssMan]

I dunno if anyone knows this, but Osi Umenyiora is tied for the most sacks in the NFL by a right DE this year.

[Gonzo]

Osi is crazy. Probably one of the fastest defensive lineman in the league.

[AlphaBean]

Is it a general rule for NFC East fans to be so unrealistically supportive?

Kind of like the NFC North fans always being so pragmatic... and for the most part, pessimistic. And rightly so. NFC South fans seem to be the best, except for Krispy... though it's cool that he loves the Aint's when it's obvious God doesn't...

And of course, the NFC West has no fans.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Belicheck said on the Challenge, he was going to use a Time out anyway, so he figured why not challenge the play if he's going to use a time out anyway. I love all the reports of Bill Polian shooting off his mouth... what a putz. "The rules apply to everyone else but not the patriots". Even worse was at the end of the game, (which I didn't understand why the pats ran a play at the end of the game, unless they were thinking of the points scored tie breaker) but aperently Polian said "break his fucking leg" refering to Flutie. real nice, what a jackass... I like the rivalry, and unlike the Dolphins, I don't dislike the Colts or their players, but I tell ya.. Polian gives me someone to hate on the Colts.

Just face the fact, the Pat's got DOMINATED again!!! Only this time, they weren't lucky enough to get some b.s. calls. The Pat's aren't going anywhere this year. Bet they really miss Crennel and Weiss don't they? Not that Belicheck isn't a good coach, but it's ridiculous that alot of people call him one of the greatest coaches ever. It just proves how good your assistant coaches can make you look.

[The Outlaw]

You're a moron, shut up.

Anyone see Flutie try to get that personal foul call? LOL

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Just face the fact, the Pat's got DOMINATED again!!! Only this time, they weren't lucky enough to get some b.s. calls. The Pat's aren't going anywhere this year. Bet they really miss Crennel and Weiss don't they? Not that Belicheck isn't a good coach, but it's ridiculous that alot of people call him one of the greatest coaches ever. It just proves how good your assistant coaches can make you look.

Do you have any clue what you're talking about?

Didn't think so.

When you find a clue, let us know, till then stick to the wrestling forum.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder your source?

Was discussed on local radio shows and being read from a newspaper article.

I didn't catch which paper, my assumption Boston Herald or Globe.

I can check the herald online later, but can't see collumnists (you have to pay for that) and the globe online, I can only see headlines, not full articles.

I'll see if I catch today, which paper.

[RP]

I havent read anything like that or heard anything like that. I'd imagine it would be a pretty big story. Dont take this the wrong way , but i'd say thats sour grapes by the Boston media. I cant imagine why he would say that at all. I cant think of one reason why and i know for a fact the organizaion would not stand for that. SO i truely doubt Bill Polian uttered such junk.

[RP]

If he did he should be fined big time.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Do you have any clue what you're talking about? Didn't think so. When you find a clue, let us know, till then stick to the wrestling forum.

A clue huh! Did you even watch either game they played? They got completely dominated in every aspect of the game against Buffalo, sure the Pat's pulled it out, but they got whooped and you can't deny that. Then they get stomped by Indy, and mind you, both of these games were at HOME. So what are you talking about getting a clue? Looks like you need to find a clue, because i don't know which games you were watching. This is pretty typical for you though, you know, someone knocks your team and instead of saying "yeah they got beat, there not the same team they where, or they have problem's" you resort to throwing insults. Why don't you explain why you don't think they got dominated? Your opinion is no better than mine, or anyone else's for that matter. Grow up you whine-ass!!

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by AlphaBean Is it a general rule for NFC East fans to be so unrealistically supportive?

I don't know what you mean by that but if its what I said about Osi its because its true.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by The Outlaw You're a moron, shut up. Anyone see Flutie try to get that personal foul call? LOL

If your referring to me, please explain your reasoning.

[mrslackalack]

Although its not till next Sun. Colts Bengals is a must see.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder I havent read anything like that or heard anything like that. I'd imagine it would be a pretty big story. Dont take this the wrong way , but i'd say thats sour grapes by the Boston media. I cant imagine why he would say that at all. I cant think of one reason why and i know for a fact the organizaion would not stand for that. SO i truely doubt Bill Polian uttered such junk.

It wouldn't suprise me, there have been other reports over the years that he really takes offense and hates the Pats.

As for the local media making it up? doubt it, around here the Media really rips the locals apart much more then the other teams.

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder If he did he should be fined big time.

Honestly, I wouldn't... it's not like he was a coach who gave an order, it was a comment while watching the game, basiclly at that point he's a fan nothing more, but yeah, for precident the NFL might fine someone on that.

That being said, I hate Flutie, so I can't say I'd shed a tear if he broke his leg

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution A clue huh! Did you even watch either game they played? They got completely dominated in every aspect of the game against Buffalo, sure the Pat's pulled it out, but they got whooped and you can't deny that. Then they get stomped by Indy, and mind you, both of these games were at HOME. So what are you talking about getting a clue? Looks like you need to find a clue, because I don't know which games you were watching. This is pretty typical for you though, you know, someone knocks your team and instead of saying "yeah they got beat, there not the same team they where, or they have problem's" you resort to throwing insults. Why don't you explain why you don't think they got dominated? Your opinion is no better than mine, or anyone else's for that matter. Grow up you whine-ass!!

Ok, where to begin...

I wrote:

I only put what I wrote that you quoted because it seemingly had nothing to do with your response.

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Belicheck said on the Challenge, he was going to use a Time out anyway, so he figured why not challenge the play if he's going to use a time out anyway. I love all the reports of Bill Polian shooting off his mouth... what a putz. "The rules apply to everyone else but not the patriots". Even worse was at the end of the game, (which I didn't understand why the pats ran a play at the end of the game, unless they were thinking of the points scored tie breaker) but apparently Polian said "break his fucking leg" referring to Flutie. Real nice, what a jackass... I like the rivalry, and unlike the Dolphins, I don't dislike the Colts or their players, but I tell ya.. Polian gives me someone to hate on the Colts.

You’re response:

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Just face the fact, the Pat's got DOMINATED again!!! Only this time, they weren't lucky enough to get some b.s. calls. The Pat's aren't going anywhere this year. Bet they really miss Crennel and Weiss don't they? Not that Belicheck isn't a good coach, but it's ridiculous that alot of people call him one of the greatest coaches ever. It just proves how good your assistant coaches can make you look.

This is why I said “get a clue”.

1) Dominated again? BS Calls? What are you talking about? How many times in the last 2 years have the Patriots been dominated? Please explain this one.
2) Pats aren’t going anywhere? No, with all the injuries, they probably won’t make the super bowl, they will make the playoffs and Win the east, and once in the playoffs anything is possible, all depends on who they face round 1 (or possible get a bye).
3) It’s ridiculous that a lot of people call him one of the greatest coach’s ever? Before that you say they really miss Crennell and Weis and then finish that it proves how good your assistant coaches can make you look.
a. So, 3 super bowls in 4 years, the longest winning streak in NFL history doesn’t make you one of the best coaches ever? Then what does? Lombardi, Walsh, Johnson, do you think people rank them as some of the best coaches ever because of the way they teach their players? No, it’s their wins, their division wins, playoff wins, and super bowl wins. If we’re not going to judge a coach on W-L and Championships, then how do we judge them?
b. I’m not sure if you’ve watched the offense Monday night, but they had a pretty good game. Brady didn’t have an incomplete pass in the first half, finished the game 22/33, 265yds 3TD. A banged up Dillon was 12 for 40 (3.3yd avg) his longest was 13 so if you take that out he was 11 for 27, 2.45avg. Now, keep in mind they were facing one of the best defenses in the league, so tell me how this was dominated.
c. I won’t argue, the Colts offense (specifically the passing game) threw at will on the Pats secondary, I think I’ve said that more then once.
d. As for the Assistant coaches, since the Offense is doing well, we’ll focus on Defense. Please tell me how Crennell would have helped this team? It’s not the play calls on defense, it’s the injuries/lack of players. Ted Johnson, Ted Bruschi, Seymore, Harrison, Poole, the secondary is playing horrible, had nothing to do with coaching, its lack of personnel. I don’t think Crennell had a magic wand to make people healthy.

Ok, let’s continue.

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution A clue huh! Did you even watch either game they played? They got completely dominated in every aspect of the game against Buffalo, sure the Pat's pulled it out, but they got whooped and you can't deny that. Then they get stomped by Indy, and mind you, both of these games were at HOME.

Uh-huh, they won 21-16, they only got out scored in 1 qtr (the 2nd) and that was 3-0. The Bills played a great game and the Pats Secondary made Holcomb look like Manning, but completely dominated? Cleary, you didn’t watch that game.

As for the Colts game, “stomped” yeah, the Defense specifically the secondary did. James did get 104yds, but it took 34 carries. The defensive secondary of the Patriots lost the game, plane and simple.

As for the games being home, yeah, the stadium holds around 60K, the field conditions for Buffalo were fine, for Indy the field was in bad shape due to rain/soccer the night before, but the weather was fine. So, home field really wasn’t an issue.

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution This is pretty typical for you though, you know, someone knocks your team and instead of saying "yeah they got beat, there not the same team they where, or they have problem's" you resort to throwing insults. Why don't you explain why you don't think they got dominated? Your opinion is no better than mine, or anyone else's for that matter. Grow up you whine-ass!!

If you had read before, I had already explained why the Pats got beat Monday night, I told you to get a clue, because you responded to a quote about belicheck on the challenge and Polin shooting off his mouth with something completely different that I never even addressed in that quote, and heck before I even said anything Outlaw slapped you. Yeah, when you clearly make statements that are so clueless, you’re going to be told to “get a clue”, especially when you quote something and respond to something completely different.

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Just face the fact, the Pat's got DOMINATED again!!!

While I do disagree about the Pats being “dominated again” and basic stats back me up, the quote you responded to, I never said anything about them not being dominated.

Ok, that’s enough, if there’s something you don’t understand let me know and I’ll try this again for you.

[Excellance of Execution]

Vel, to be perfectly clear, I'm not referring to the Pat's from last year, i'm talking about this year's Pat's. Now, what i quoted from you really didn't have anything to do with what i said, it was referring to what you said in the Bruschi thread, i just quoted what you said so you would clearly see that my comment was directed at you. Perhaps i should have just posted that statement in the other thread, but i felt you would see it here better. If so, my bad.

You say, the Pat's are deceimated with injuries, I agree, but what makes this year's team any different than last year's? As i recall last year's team had lot's of injuries, particularly in the secondary, hence why Troy Brown had to play there. With that said, i recall the Pat's winning the SuperBowl. So i have a hard time listening to someone justify injuries as an excuse as to why their team isn't doing good. They did it last year, why not this? Well i can answer that, Crennel and Weiss. Good coaches can make average player's better. Look at the Pat's offensive line for example, a bunch of no-names, but guess what good coaching has done for them. I'm not taking anything away from Belicheck, he is a hell of a coach, but doesn't it seem weird how much the team has fallen from last year?

As for my comment about Buffalo and Indy dominating the Pat's here's some stat's for your viewing pleasure that show the fact's about the game.
The Buffalo game:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20051030017
and the Indy Game:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20051107017
Stat's don't lie

[VonErich Lives]

RP - here's an article from the "projo" it's a paper in providence RI.

http://www.projo.com/patriots/conten....1769b723.html

here's no stopping the Colts

Indianapolis moves the ball at will against the Pats

09:53 AM EST on Tuesday, November 8, 2005

BY TOM E. CURRAN
Journal Sports Writer

FOXBORO -- Just another game? No extra incentive for the Indianapolis Colts to beat their nemesis, thePatriots, last night?

Try again.

With four seconds remaining and the Patriots hurrying to the line to squeeze off one final play in a 40-21 blowout by Indy, Colts president Bill Polian said with annoyance, "They're trying to run another play. He's going to throw another pass."

And as backup quarterback Doug Flutie rolled out with pressure on his heels, Polian muttered, "Break his leg."

This was a game of dire import for the Colts and they secured it, improving to 8-0 with an unapologetic assault on the Patriots' secondary.

Colts quarterback Peyton Manning, winless in New England in seven tries, went 28-for-37 for 321 yards and three touchdowns while Indy went 12-for-17 on third down and rolled up 453 yards of offense.

"Obviously, tonight we just didn't match up very well with the Colts in any aspect of the game," Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said. "Their football team just completely outplayed us tonight. That's about it."

The Patriots' mastery over the Colts has been well documented. They'd won 14 of 16 games over Indy dating back to 1995, including the last six in a row. In each of the past two seasons, the Colts had been flying high before getting slapped back to earth and out of the playoffs.

Indy's agitation with the Patriots and Belichick -- well veiled in public comments -- was evident in the words of the hot-tempered Polian during the game.

When the Colts scored a late touchdown to go up 40-21 and lined up for a two-point conversion, the Patriots were in the midst of changing personnel. In an effort to buy time, Belichick threw his challenge flag onto the field.

"There's one set of rules for him and one for everybody else," raged Polian.

"Just kick [the extra point]," someone in the press box suggested.

"Kick it [my behind]," answered Polian.

It will no doubt please Polian and the rest of the Indy entourage to know how miffed New England was with the loss.

"I don't have much to say," said quarterback Tom Brady. "We got our butts kicked. We made too many mistakes. There's a lot of football to be played, we're 4-4."

Brady left the postgame podium without taking questions.

This was just a regular-season win, so the monkey may not be off the Colts' back entirely. But his hairy little fingers slipped last night.

The beleaguered New England defense that just didn't have the horses to keep up with Indianapolis. The Colts scored on seven of their first eight possessions.

Midway through the third quarter, the Patriots pretty much acknowledged their inability to stop the Indy offense when they tried an onsides kick after a 31-yard touchdown catch by tight end Daniel Graham that made it 28-14. It didn't work. The Colts went on to kick a field goal there after taking over at the Pats' 27.

On the next Pats drive, they went for it on fourth down at the Indy 43. That didn't work, either, and the Colts added another Mike Vanderjagt field goal to make it 34-14.

A 19-yard touchdown pass from Brady to Troy Brown with 10:15 left gave the Pats some life, but it only lasted until Indy drove 74 yards in seven plays on its next drive for a touchdown that made it 40-21.

The Colts pushed a 21-7 halftime lead to 28-7 early in the second half when Dominic Rhodes capped an 11-play drive with a 4-yard run.

The Graham touchdown catch followed, but by then, the Pats knew they were in trouble with a Colts offense bent on deconstructing the Patriots defense that had broken its hearts so many times. So what if it wasn't the same personnel? The uniforms were the same. And so was the hated venue.

The Colts got into the break ahead, 21-7. Not surprisingly, their offense was steamrolling New England's duct-taped secondary, as Manning tuned them up for 181 yards while going 16 for 21 before halftime.

The highly sought (by opposing quarterbacks) Duane Starks was the favorite target as he tried checking Colts wideout Reggie Wayne with minimal success. Wayne finished the first half with six catches for 65 yards and a touchdown. Starks started the second half on the bench.

The Colts' final score of the half was a bit debilitating for New England.

After Indy safety Jason David recovered a Corey Dillon fumble at the Colts' 17 with 2:18 left in the half, Manning went to work.

Working from the shotgun, he hit Marvin Harrison for 17 yards, Wayne for 20, Brandon Stokely for 12 to get to the Pats 24 in three plays and 28 seconds. Three plays later, on a third-and-10 from the Patriots' 10 with 14 seconds left, Manning hit Wayne in the left end zone to make it 21-7.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Excellance of Execution Vel, to be perfectly clear, I'm not referring to the Pat's from last year, i'm talking about this year's Pat's. Now, what i quoted from you really didn't have anything to do with what i said, it was referring to what you said in the Bruschi thread, i just quoted what you said so you would clearly see that my comment was directed at you. Perhaps i should have just posted that statement in the other thread, but i felt you would see it here better. If so, my bad. You say, the Pat's are deceimated with injuries, I agree, but what makes this year's team any different than last year's? As i recall last year's team had lot's of injuries, particularly in the secondary, hence why Troy Brown had to play there. With that said, i recall the Pat's winning the SuperBowl. So i have a hard time listening to someone justify injuries as an excuse as to why their team isn't doing good. They did it last year, why not this? Well i can answer that, Crennel and Weiss. Good coaches can make average player's better. Look at the Pat's offensive line for example, a bunch of no-names, but guess what good coaching has done for them. I'm not taking anything away from Belicheck, he is a hell of a coach, but doesn't it seem weird how much the team has fallen from last year? As for my comment about Buffalo and Indy dominating the Pat's here's some stat's for your viewing pleasure that show the fact's about the game. The Buffalo game: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20051030017 and the Indy Game: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20051107017 Stat's don't lie

EOE - had a few questions for you, would like if you addressed them. Especially, how you judge a "great coach" and why you don't feel Belicheck is "one of the best ever" and how his OC/DC were "more important" then the OC/DC of any other "great coach".

As for personel.

Last year, you had Ty Law 1/2 the year, You had Seymore most of the year, You had Ted Johnson, Ted Bruschi all year. Rodney Harrison all year.

The big differences on Defense was Bruschi, still is: Ted Johnson (run stopping), Seymore (run stopping and QB pressure) and Harrison. Harrison is a huge loss. Troy Brown was mostly in dime situations. They have less depth and more injuries this year. Plus on offense. Faulk is out, Pass is hurt, Dillon is playing hurt, Matt Light is out, Andruzzi is gone. Yes, the Pats have always played through injured players, but eventually it catches up.

and yes, the stats don't lie, and according to the stats, against the Bills especially there was no "domination".

Did they have better offensive stats? sure, dominating? no, if they completely dominated the Pats they would have won.

So, now I know what this is really all about, you're a die hard bills fan, and 3 rings in 4 years must kill someone who rooted for a team that went 0-4 in a row.

I know how you feel, I was a Pats fan of a team that lost 2 superbowls, destroyed in one of them (you want to talk Domination, see: Bears over Pats in the superbowl!).

All good things come to an end, injuries, players/coaches move on, a bad personel move etc... just like anyone else, enjoy it while we can.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives EOE - had a few questions for you, would like if you addressed them. Especially, how you judge a "great coach" and why you don't feel Belicheck is "one of the best ever" and how his OC/DC were "more important" then the OC/DC of any other "great coach". First of all, i think Belicheck is a good coach as stated in one of my other post's. To me a great coach is someone who can go from one team to another and make them a winner. To me, i think Bill Parcell's is one of the greatest coaches ever. He won twice with the Giant's, brought the Pat's from the gutter to the Super Bowl (although the lost), he brought the Jet's from the gutter to the playoff's for the first time in along time, and now he is doing it in Dallas. What did Belicheck do when he was Cleveland's coach? Nothing that i can remember. Sure he has won three Super Bowl's, and sure i think he is a good coach, but i think that it's obvious that the lose of Crennel and Weiss has really hurt the Pat's. I know they have had their fair share of injuries, but so does everyone else. It's the well coached team's that overcome that. The Pat's did it last year when they had Crennel and Weiss, but they aren't doing it this year. Something isn't right there. As for personel. Last year, you had Ty Law 1/2 the year, You had Seymore most of the year, You had Ted Johnson, Ted Bruschi all year. Rodney Harrison all year. The big differences on Defense was Bruschi, still is: Ted Johnson (run stopping), Seymore (run stopping and QB pressure) and Harrison. Harrison is a huge loss. Troy Brown was mostly in dime situations. They have less depth and more injuries this year. Plus on offense. Faulk is out, Pass is hurt, Dillon is playing hurt, Matt Light is out, Andruzzi is gone. Yes, the Pats have always played through injured players, but eventually it catches up. See the above response. I agree the Pat's have been hurt, but well coached team's are able to insert backup's into those spot's and have them do their job. That's why i feel the loss of Weiss and Crennel is a big reason for the Pat's decline. Granted, this year they have lost some bigger names, like Seymore and Harrison, but they also have Wilfork with another year of experiance and they have that guy they signed from Chicago (name slips my mind) who was out last year. He has played pretty well this year, and they have the emotional lift from getting Bruschi back( not counting the fact that he has done pretty well and will only improve with conditioning). and yes, the stats don't lie, and according to the stats, against the Bills especially there was no "domination". Did they have better offensive stats? sure, dominating? no, if they completely dominated the Pats they would have won. To me there are different types of domination. Did Buffalo do to the Pats what the Bears did to them in 85, No. But Buffalo, dominated time of possesion, which means they controlled the line of scrimmage. Buffalo beat the Pat's in every offensive category except for Holcomb threw 1 int and Brady didn't. Buffalo out-passed them, out-rushed them and caused 2 lost fumbles and 3 sacks. To me Buffalo has alot of weaknesses and room to improve. They kicked three fieldgoals and in my eyes they should have atleast scored two touchdowns instead. Do you consider it to be not dominating because the Pat's won? If Buffalo, would have won the game 16-14 what would you think then? Or if, Buffalo scored a couple more touchdown's instead of kicking field goals? To me, the score of the game doesn't alway's reflect how close the game actually was. So, now I know what this is really all about, you're a die hard bills fan, and 3 rings in 4 years must kill someone who rooted for a team that went 0-4 in a row. I know how you feel, I was a Pats fan of a team that lost 2 superbowls, destroyed in one of them (you want to talk Domination, see: Bears over Pats in the superbowl!). All good things come to an end, injuries, players/coaches move on, a bad personel move etc... just like anyone else, enjoy it while we can. To me it actually has nothing to do with jealousy of the Pat's. To be honest, i don't hate them at all. I dislike the Dolphin's and the Jet's WAAAAYYYY more than the Pat's. I've actually rooted for the Pat's against the Panthers, Eagles and Rams. The main portion of what i've had to say, stem's from things that were said in the Bruschi topic. About how everyone, mostly Espn, was on his c*ck the whole game. To the point, where it took away from the game. I stick to my opinion's, and i respect your's. I just can't stand it when people can't do it to.

[OssMan]

Apparently Priest Holmes might retire this week because of a something on his spine that could paralyze him. I dunno if this was posted because I have been skipping everything in this thread because it is all Colts/Patriots, but here is an article:

http://www.kmci.com/kshb/nw_local_ne...224365,00.html

Priest Holmes' Career May Be Over
November 9, 2005

Insiders at Arrowhead Stadium tell NBC Action News Sports Director Jack Harry that Priest Holmes, very possibly, has played his final game in a Chiefs uniform. One highly placed source tells Harry, Holmes could announce his retirement as soon as Thursday.

The 32-year-old running back arrived back in town Tuesday night from Miami after undergoing some extensive testing on his spine. Doctors reportedly found a lump and should Holmes take a severe hit, he could become paralyzed. At his weekly press conference Tuesday, head coach Dick Vermeil indicated he didn't really know what was going on with Holmes.

Holmes has already undergone three knee surgeries. He has failed to finish two of the last 3 seasons. He suffered the head injury in the San Diego game, and has now learned of this latest problem with his spine.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Jeez, that would be pretty messed up if that's true. At least small consolation that they found whatever it is before something happened though.

[VonErich Lives]

they put him on IR for the year, they will re-evaluate after the season.

[RP]

this would be sad. He's one of the most talented running backs to play the game and i doubt he would be considered a HoFamer if he retired today. Really sad.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Apparently he has head and neck trauma but the whole "lump on his spine" thing is bull, which is kind of a relief. He said he plans to be back next year, doctors see no reason why he can't, just in the immediate future he needs to avoid contact.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder this would be sad. He's one of the most talented running backs to play the game and i doubt he would be considered a HoFamer if he retired today. Really sad.

Kind of reminds me of Terrell Davis. Had some huge years but just couldn't avoid the injury bug.

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder this would be sad. He's one of the most talented running backs to play the game and i doubt he would be considered a HoFamer if he retired today. Really sad.

Sympathy votes.

Undrafted FA who worked his ass off to become one of the best... if anything, there should be an ESPN movie about him.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Starks has gone on IR

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Mr. Monday Morning Starks has gone on IR

at least if he's been playing banged up all year that would explain him sucking and maybe he comes back next year...

[AlphaBean]

How can you get banged up and be "not a physical corner?"

You know, on Madden, I have some amazing CBs who aren't physical... they're called receivers.

[RoXer]

Wanna play, AB?

[AlphaBean]

Hahaha fuck off.

So anyway, I just finished my first season (of my new franchise) and drafted Rodrique Wright (DT) out of Texas, and Marcedes Lewis (TE) can't remember where from, but he's ungodly good.

LOL I got DJ Shockley, too; anyone remember hearing his name? He's got to be the worst QB ever. 76 accuracy. Anything over 5 yards ends up wobbling 30 yards in the opposite direction, no joke. So I'd run Lewis in the flats and roll out every play. It worked for a minute, before a goalline lob magically went straight over the middle, right into the hands of the MLB in preseason... Shockley went down because of that.

[Crimson]

Marcedes...UCLA