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Old 08-11-2009, 11:20 AM   #121
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Jardine is not one of my favorites, for the record.. Silva is amazing, but everyone in MMA loses.. Someone has to beat him and if it won't happen at 185, it will happen at 205..
I agree...

But maybe Anderson Silva got all his losing out of the way at the beginning of his career with Okami, Chonan, Takase, and Azeredo.

Maybe The Spider has lost all the matches he's going to already.
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:24 AM   #122
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Maybe if Hendo tries a flying arm bar..

Hmmmm...
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:26 AM   #123
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Silva would lose to Machida I think. Machida would just out point him. It wouldn't be the most interesting fight of all time. (Although I would probably like it)
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:28 AM   #124
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It was def be a defensive technical striking match..
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Maybe if Hendo tries a flying arm bar..

Hmmmm...
Or a flying scissor heel hook.
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:50 AM   #126
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I think Machida could beat him but that fight most likely wouldn't happen. As Reav said it would take someone who is A++ in a certain aspect of the game to beat him, which is why I think an insanely great wrestler like GSP could beat him. GSP is not a fucking idiot, he's not going to stand and strike with Anderson, and GSP COULD land some shots on him not because his striking is anywhere in the same stratusphere as Silva, but because Silva would have to worry about the takedown.

I mean I realize Anderson's a big dude, but it's no different to GSP constantly taking down other bigger dudes over and over. GSP only walks around at about 185-190, he's not a big welterweight, he doesn't like cutting a lot of weight, he thinks it drains his energy... I mean he's no small welter, but he's not the biggest BY FAR. If he can take down Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes, he can take down Anderson Silva. However I agree with him that he'd need a while to healthily bulk up to be able to fight at 185.
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Are most of you honestly saying that Rampage in PRIDE is better than Rampage in UFC? If so most of you are nuts. Rampage now-a-days is far more technical, and a far smarter fighter. His hands are far better than they were in PRIDE. Hell since coming to the UFC you can make the argument that he hasn't lost (many people think he out pointed Forrest, I don't but many people do). He's been Liddell, Hendo, Wanderlei, and Jardine. He was in PRIDE for much longer and the only big wins he had there were Arona, Liddell, Bustamante, Randleman, and Vovchanchyn. Rampage has beaten 4 top 10 lightweights in the UFC in about 2 years in the UFC. He beat only 5 top 20 fighters in PRIDE in 4 years.

UFC Rampage > PRIDE Rampage

But you guys my be saying that if "crazy" Rampage from PRIDE, that would go out and fight like he was Division 1 Wrestling Bum Fights, that would beat Anderson, I can understand why you think he's stand a little more of a chance. But I seriously doubt a less disiplined Rampage would fair better than a more disiplined Rampage. We've seen when happens to fighters without disipline when they fight The Spider... ask Leben and Griffin, hell even ask Hendo who desided to stand for a little bit in the second round with Silva.
Yes the rampage of now is a better fighter than the rampage of pride, HOWEVER, the style the rampage of now uses would not work as well against ANDERSON as the rampage of pride would have. Im not nuts, im looking at the individual matchup.

The "more disciplined" rampage of now stands in one spot or slowly moves foreward. Silva would pick him apart. Not to mention Rampage doesnt go to the ground anymore. The old rampage would have spazed on anderson and with his strength and power, that would have been more dangerous to anderson than a stationary target.
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Rampage needs to mix some of that old tenacity with his new found discipline in general anyways. If he's fighting a guy who does not have good takedown d there's no reason he shouldn't just slam him on his head and pound him out.
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Yes the rampage of now is a better fighter than the rampage of pride, HOWEVER, the style the rampage of now uses would not work as well against ANDERSON as the rampage of pride would have. Im not nuts, im looking at the individual matchup.

The "more disciplined" rampage of now stands in one spot or slowly moves foreward. Silva would pick him apart. Not to mention Rampage doesnt go to the ground anymore. The old rampage would have spazed on anderson and with his strength and power, that would have been more dangerous to anderson than a stationary target.
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I think Machida could beat him but that fight most likely wouldn't happen. As Reav said it would take someone who is A++ in a certain aspect of the game to beat him, which is why I think an insanely great wrestler like GSP could beat him. GSP is not a fucking idiot, he's not going to stand and strike with Anderson, and GSP COULD land some shots on him not because his striking is anywhere in the same stratusphere as Silva, but because Silva would have to worry about the takedown.

I mean I realize Anderson's a big dude, but it's no different to GSP constantly taking down other bigger dudes over and over. GSP only walks around at about 185-190, he's not a big welterweight, he doesn't like cutting a lot of weight, he thinks it drains his energy... I mean he's no small welter, but he's not the biggest BY FAR. If he can take down Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck and Matt Hughes, he can take down Anderson Silva. However I agree with him that he'd need a while to healthily bulk up to be able to fight at 185.



Machida is A++ in his karate and precision. He is someone who I could see beating ANderson, however I also think that could be the most boring fight ever. Yes it would be very technical, but it would have less action than a kaleb starnes fight.

GSP is waaaaay to small for anderson.

Lets look at how GSP was taking those SLIGHTLY bigger guys down. Koz: through scrambles initiated by koz or when koz would charge him. Fitch: same exact thing. Hughes: when they were tied up in a clinch. Alves: when alves would charge him with the striking. He even did the same against serra. The only person GSP actually offensivly took down was Penn because he could out muscle him.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Anderson doesnt charge in on those guys. In fact, hes content with standing out of range and having a boring fight against guys that like takedowns.

GSP would be a small 185, and Anderson has the frame of a 205. Anderson has the range to stay so far away from GSP that he can see everything getting thrown his way.
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Fair enough. Anderson doesn't make mistakes, he makes you make mistakes. The only way GSP could do it (be a legit 185er) feasibly is going on the Josh Barnett diet
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Well GSP is not going to out muscle and bully anderson the way he would need to take him down like he would need to against a less aggressive opponent.
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Yeah and you're right about his takedowns, they're pretty much all based on the other guy's mistakes and scrambling etc. It'd be difficult to get takedowns. But he did seem to have some good shots on Fitch but at the same time I haven't seen that fight in ages.
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Yes the rampage of now is a better fighter than the rampage of pride, HOWEVER, the style the rampage of now uses would not work as well against ANDERSON as the rampage of pride would have. Im not nuts, im looking at the individual matchup.

The "more disciplined" rampage of now stands in one spot or slowly moves foreward. Silva would pick him apart. Not to mention Rampage doesnt go to the ground anymore. The old rampage would have spazed on anderson and with his strength and power, that would have been more dangerous to anderson than a stationary target.
I'm positive new Rampage would last longer than old Rampage against Anderson Silva.

Old Rampage would get picked apart coming in for a takedown get locked in the thai clinch and kneed into oblivian. New Rampage would try to technically strike with Anderson and lose a lopsided decision.
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