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Old 05-30-2016, 01:53 AM   #161
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I'll wait and see which roster gets which guys and check out both for a little while before deciding which to skip...but it's bound to be one of them.....

Hoping to god we get another "smackdown 6" type situation.....
We already did. It was called NXT. Guys who "had no business" getting over to the degree they did simply because they were allowed to breathe and do their own thing. They were supposed to be learning and adapting to the main roster WWE style, but managed to create an environment that was fucking awesome in and of itself.
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Old 05-30-2016, 10:26 AM   #162
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Don't think it would be doable because you might have had this in mind



This is what would be seen...
Santina was awesome. Hope she gets re-signed and feuds for the new Women's title.
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Old 05-30-2016, 12:56 PM   #163
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With the amount of talent in NXT and the fact that they will have 2 tours I think they could split NXT in to two shows as well. Move Main Event to NXT and have all the experienced and "main event" talent on it with the NXT titles. The other show would just be NXT with younger talent that need more seasoning.

Always bugs me that Main Event is a B-show. NXT Main Event could continue to bring in top Indy talent and keep the work rate vibe that they have going now. NXT would be a lot more about character development and story telling like before they brought in top indy guys.
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You don't feel like Main Event and Superstars should be used to showcase talent that would otherwise get no TV time each week? I'm just trying to understand here, because if that's not what you're saying that sure is how it comes off to me.
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You can still have Superstars and another show as Raw and Smackdowns B-shows. Just feel like a B-show called Main Event is dumb.
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You don't feel like Main Event and Superstars should be used to showcase talent that would otherwise get no TV time each week? I'm just trying to understand here, because if that's not what you're saying that sure is how it comes off to me.
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You can still have Superstars and another show as Raw and Smackdowns B-shows. Just feel like a B-show called Main Event is dumb.
I'd have Superstars be Raws B-show and bring back Thursday Night Titans to be Smackdowns B-show. Then you would have NXT Main Event and NXT.
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The key thing here is SD! going live. This is a much larger investment into the brand so I think this will have a much more enjoyable SD! than the clear B show it has always been in the past
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Thursday Night TItans. Jesus Satanic Christ, that sounds like some stupid loltna shit.

Let's rename Superstars to Monday Night Matches!
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It was actually a WWE show back in the 80s except it was Tuesday Night Titans.
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Old 05-30-2016, 09:36 PM   #171
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And it sounded just as stupid then.

Should be a god damn cartoon show.
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I think it would be good for a B-show. A lot better than Velocity, Heat, Metal, Jakked, or any other shows they've had. Cartoon? Thursday Night Titans sounds like a wrestling show to me. Doesn't matter it won't happen, just a thought I had.
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I kind of want them to get rid of Main Event. Some sort of re-branding would be good. Let Mauro and Jerry Lawler be the commentators for it. I do hope the Corey Graves move to the SmackDown announce desk happens. I do like heel King, but it's time to give the show a new aesthetic.
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Sasha Banks has a WWE.com video where she says she wants to go to SmackDown. She would be a big asset for them right out of the gate. She's the most over female talent they have, and people might actually tune in to track her career. I think Becky and Bayley are too similar in the sense of their babyface characters to be on the same show, so I'd have Becky on RAW and Bayley on SmackDown with Sasha. Nikki Bella to SmackDown to be with John Cena. Naomi and Tamina to SmackDown as the heel team that forces Bayley & Sasha to team up occasionally? Alicia Fox to RAW. Paige can compliment Becky well and Nattie can round off the female side on SmackDown, although I am keen for a heel turn, so maybe RAW would be better? Dana Brooke can go to RAW and keep working with the veteran girls. Call up Carmella for the SmackDown brand. You can split the women quite effectively.
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If the women are split I like your Ladies champion idea if the Women's Champion doesn't travel. Not a big fan of Bayley though. I think that she's ok in the ring I'm just not a big fan of the hugging stuff. Not sure how it will do on the main roster. Think her mic work needs some work as well.
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I'm honestly not her biggest fan either, but she moves the merch and people seem to love her. I'd certainly give her a chance somewhere.
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I keep going back and forth about the title scheme I'd have. I do like the idea of Roman Reigns, Charlotte and Anderson & Gallows traveling with the belts. I'd have Anderson & Gallows win them at Money in the Bank. You can have Finn Balor as a member of The Club on RAW and AJ Styles as a representative on SmackDown.
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Thinking about the draft and RAW still being three long hours, I was thinking last night about the WWE possibly starting with RAW as the established brand, with SmackDown needling guys off. You know, instead of the RAW gets a guy, SmackDown gets a guy system. That might seem like semantics, but when you think about what SmackDown really needs and what they might want there, it makes sense to do it that way.

I've gone over this a few times, I'm sure, but you're basically building it around John Cena right? You should pick a team that helps him along. He's expressed interest in working with guys like Enzo & Cass and The Vaudevillains. That's as good a starting point as any. Cena can give the guys advice backstage and travel with Enzo & Cass and hopefully impart some knowledge.

Does Cena want Nikki Bella on the same show as him? Her future is still up in the air, but her face and body will probably look good on a SmackDown poster. You can move her there too, even if it ends up being a token one. Carmella can come up and join Enzo & Cass. Do they need her? No, but some people learn better when they are on the road in the mix. She can be out of the ring and even still make some NXT shows to keep her progressing in the ring.

I'd still call up Joe for SmackDown. The Cena/Joe stuff could be great. I'd bring over Big Show to be a PPV opponent for Show and to be a spectacle for their house shows. The New Day can come over once they lose the Tag Titles, especially if they are going to have two sets of belts. Enzo & Cass and The New Day jaw-jacking with each other could be great stuff. Eventually you can bring up American Alpha and The Revival to have a series of matches and freshen things up there. Every other team you have can stay on RAW. Well, maybe bring over The Ascension since Ryan Ward might have a more clear idea with what to do with them. They can at least be bodies to put The New Day and Enzo & Cass over.

Neville needs his "Adrian" back and could probably use Ward to rehab him. He's a logical choice to jump over. Tyler Breeze needs some help too. People seem high on the Fandango/Breeze team, but I don't like how they've gone about it. They're a unit I'd break up in the split. Golden Truth too. Goldust can go to SmackDown and also do some producer work, mainly working with Breeze and having an old vet versus cocky young kid feud that can be given some time and be a nice little undercard program over there that can show off what both men have to give.

I can see a case for moving over Owens and Zayn for the big mid-card feud, but I'd leave them on RAW too, especially with Vince being more of a believer in Owens than ever before. This is working under the assumption that he allows Triple H more room on SmackDown. I'd still go with Cesaro heading over, because he's a guy I want to see Ward get his hands on. I can't remember if I've said this, but the only guy I've ever enjoyed Titus O'Neil working with is Sheamus, and he seems like he'd be a good fit for SmackDown since he's so played out. A fresh start for him, and you'd know Triple H would love to get him. I can imagine he and Show having a loose heel alliance too.

Dolph Ziggler arguably needs some rehab. I'm not too moved about where he goes, but on SmackDown he's provide another "former World Champ" they can put on the posters and such along with Cena, The New Day and Nikki Bella. A heel turn to work with Cena at the top?

Kalisto is swimming deep on RAW, but I'd leave him there with Sin Cara to work with The Shining Stars, but a case could be made for him being another mid-card guy for SmackDown to work with Neville, Breeze and whoever they pluck from the Cruiserweight Classic.

I still think Sasha Banks has the fans' eyes enough to flip some people onto watching her if she goes to that brand. Paige has got so little going on over there that she could do with a move there too. Call up Bayley and Asuka and you've got four strong female personalities that can all clash and fight over a hypothetical belt. All the other girls stay on RAW. Maybe think about calling up Adrienne Reese too. There's no reason you cannot bring in some veteran girls and still have some of them work NXT anyway.

You're only going to have like 5 or 6 matches on SmackDown each week anyway. You realistically don't need that deep a roster. You'd probably move over a mid-card champion. Triple H would probably rather have Rusev and Lana, but I personally think The Miz and Maryse would be a better fit. But moving over Rusev and Lana you get a SmackDown that looks like this without taking too many guys off RAW:

John Cena
Dolph Ziggler
Cesaro
Sheamus
Samoa Joe
Big Show
Rusev
Titus O'Neil
Adrian Neville
Goldust
Tyler Breeze
Kalisto

The New Day
Enzo & Cass
The Vaudevillains
The Ascension

Sasha Banks
Paige
Bayley
Asuka
Adrienne Reese
Nikki Bella
Lana
Carmella
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It would be interesting if they did Saturday Night Main Event maybe 3-4 times a year and have that be a crossover show.
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Throw in Cena and SmackDown will likely have a better roster than RAW if this is true.

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The following names are currently being advertised for the first live Smackdown on July 19th:

AJ Styles
Dean Ambrose
Chris Jericho
Kevin Owens
Luke Gallows
Karl Anderson

In addition to that, the following names are being advertised for the August 23rd Smackdown brand live event:

AJ Styles
New Day
Cesaro

AJ Styles is advertised for both shows and the belief is that he will be the top heel for the Smackdown and John Cena will be the top babyface.
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Would think Owens would be on Raw if Styles is going to be top heel. Although I guess Rollins will be top heel on Raw.
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Old 06-02-2016, 04:20 PM   #185
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If New Day and The Club are on SD I'd say Raw gets The Wyatts and Social Outcast. Could be big for the Social Outcast if they can get themselves over like New Day did.
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USA Network and not the WWE ended up being responsible for the decision to make Smackdown a live show starting next month. Originally when they signed up to grab the show from SyFy, they were predicting at least a six month honeymoon before the ratings started to tank but instead it only took about a month or two for it to happen.

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On a related note, we've reported how the decision for the brand split had a lot to do with the USA Network. USA has been unhappy with the SmackDown ratings and when both sides got together to work on a solution, they came up with the show going live on Tuesday nights. They then realized the show needed an identity if it were to be on the same level as RAW, which led to Vince McMahon coming up with the split.
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Was rumored for a while USA Network likely was paying the extra money needed to transition the show into a weekly live show but recent sheet reports denied it being the case. Also implied USA Network is at the point they are starting to doubt the value of the current tv contract for their side.

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Key to this is that, even though WWE will be adding expenses by going live, USA is not paying more for the increase in costs. It’s the first sign, while hidden from the public, that USA is concerned that the approximately $127 million they pay WWE this year for Raw and Smackdown is not delivering at the level they would like. Given that the key economic driver of the company is not the network but the television rights fees, in the long run, until economic conditions change greatly, ratings are still the most important barometer for the company, and they are consistently falling.
Rumor that has started to float around the net regarding Smackdown is USA Network considering adding an extra hour to Smackdown as a possible option at some point during the new Brand Split era.
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1 extra hour of Roman Reigns a week sounds good to this owen.
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I figured USA would push to have Smackdown 3 hours. Should go ahead and do it when they go live.
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I hated the first brand split and I have an even stronger feeling I will hate this one too, probably more.
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It's just so fake.

Everyone knows that it is the same company, with the same writers and the same head honcho calling the shots.

It really makes no difference except the company will now spend a ton of money on making SmackDown live and run more house shows/tours (potentially, depending on fan reaction).

If history serves me correct the first brand split brought in significantly lower ratings within weeks of its inception. That was with the inclusion of WWF, WCW and ECW stars all intertwined. Now its just WWE guys with NXT guys, some TNA guys and some indy sauce.

Really the entire concept just limits the feuds and matches potential of the company. Fans miss out on seeing different matchups because of a fake imaginary line in the sand. Who knows what kind of chemistry and star building potential those missed matchups could produce for the company.

If they were smart they would have already developed a 1 and 1A house show team, yet still keep their main draws wholly available on both Raw and SmackDown.

Plus, I think going live on Tuesday is a terrible idea. Way too much wrestling for one fan to take in back to back... especially when you factor in a 3 hour PPV (or Network) on Sunday, 3 hour Raw on Monday and hopefully only a 2 hour SmackDown on Tuesday. 8 hours of wrestling in three days. Nobody has the time to keep up with that besides kids and teenagers. Even so, lets face it. The WWE really does not cater to teenagers anymore with the whole PG aspect.
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It's just so fake.

Everyone knows that it is the same company, with the same writers and the same head honcho calling the shots.

It really makes no difference except the company will now spend a ton of money on making SmackDown live and run more house shows/tours (potentially, depending on fan reaction).

If history serves me correct the first brand split brought in significantly lower ratings within weeks of its inception. That was with the inclusion of WWF, WCW and ECW stars all intertwined. Now its just WWE guys with NXT guys, some TNA guys and some indy sauce.

Really the entire concept just limits the feuds and matches potential of the company. Fans miss out on seeing different matchups because of a fake imaginary line in the sand. Who knows what kind of chemistry and star building potential those missed matchups could produce for the company.

If they were smart they would have already developed a 1 and 1A house show team, yet still keep their main draws wholly available on both Raw and SmackDown.

Plus, I think going live on Tuesday is a terrible idea. Way too much wrestling for one fan to take in back to back... especially when you factor in a 3 hour PPV (or Network) on Sunday, 3 hour Raw on Monday and hopefully only a 2 hour SmackDown on Tuesday. 8 hours of wrestling in three days. Nobody has the time to keep up with that besides kids and teenagers. Even so, lets face it. The WWE really does not cater to teenagers anymore with the whole PG aspect.
I feel like this is a very accurate description. Evryone keeps saying there is so much talent that they need more tv time to shine. Well during the original brand split we had legit stars and it ended up not really keeping our interest, plus the two world titles was stupid. As the Macho Man said, the cream rises to the top, so we don't need more tv time for mid carders to get on tv, we need the talent to step up.

Having two shows is fine, but there is no reason for them to be inclusive. We need the writers to figure out long term booking and we need the wrestlers to to find ways to stand out. If you need Smackdown to get better ratings, how about an advertised world title match, how about a title change? Floodig the shows with Nxt and indy guys isn't going to help, writing is what makes it interesting - or wrestlers given green light to do their thing.

I promise this will be a failure. It may have short term gain, running two house shows may be profitable, going live should help but I really dont know how any buzz sustains itself. They need to build stars, not have a bunch of nobodies being nobodies wrestling nobodies.
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I agree with everything but I will add that now they will only have to write 2 or 3 hours of storyline a week instead of 5.
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It's just so fake.

Everyone knows that it is the same company, with the same writers and the same head honcho calling the shots.

It really makes no difference except the company will now spend a ton of money on making SmackDown live and run more house shows/tours (potentially, depending on fan reaction).

If history serves me correct the first brand split brought in significantly lower ratings within weeks of its inception. That was with the inclusion of WWF, WCW and ECW stars all intertwined. Now its just WWE guys with NXT guys, some TNA guys and some indy sauce.

Really the entire concept just limits the feuds and matches potential of the company. Fans miss out on seeing different matchups because of a fake imaginary line in the sand. Who knows what kind of chemistry and star building potential those missed matchups could produce for the company.

If they were smart they would have already developed a 1 and 1A house show team, yet still keep their main draws wholly available on both Raw and SmackDown.

Plus, I think going live on Tuesday is a terrible idea. Way too much wrestling for one fan to take in back to back... especially when you factor in a 3 hour PPV (or Network) on Sunday, 3 hour Raw on Monday and hopefully only a 2 hour SmackDown on Tuesday. 8 hours of wrestling in three days. Nobody has the time to keep up with that besides kids and teenagers. Even so, lets face it. The WWE really does not cater to teenagers anymore with the whole PG aspect.
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I feel like this is a very accurate description. Evryone keeps saying there is so much talent that they need more tv time to shine. Well during the original brand split we had legit stars and it ended up not really keeping our interest, plus the two world titles was stupid. As the Macho Man said, the cream rises to the top, so we don't need more tv time for mid carders to get on tv, we need the talent to step up.

Having two shows is fine, but there is no reason for them to be inclusive. We need the writers to figure out long term booking and we need the wrestlers to to find ways to stand out. If you need Smackdown to get better ratings, how about an advertised world title match, how about a title change? Floodig the shows with Nxt and indy guys isn't going to help, writing is what makes it interesting - or wrestlers given green light to do their thing.

I promise this will be a failure. It may have short term gain, running two house shows may be profitable, going live should help but I really dont know how any buzz sustains itself. They need to build stars, not have a bunch of nobodies being nobodies wrestling nobodies.
This times 1,000!

Don't you know though Stickman? This is magically going to make everything better!
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It did lower ratings, but they had a higher ledge to fall from, and the ratings actually did very well for 3 or 4 weeks (and were surprisingly above pre-Mania X8 levels) - but instead of the something new people wanted, it was Austin Vs. Taker and the nWo, with Flair going heel (always a ratings killer).

The idea of freshening the landscape to garner interest isn't a bad one, but the problem with ratings right now is more to do with company mindset than anything. Roman as the anchor babyface with even less support than usual? When ratings and house shows are going down with him on top already? Seth and AJ were both potential huge babyfaces, and they've been turned heel. They can bring in new guys and run some hot angles perhaps, but if it's all within a framework where the lead decision maker can't read an audience or a situation properly, you have to wonder if it's worth it.
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Yeah, what baffles me is why they haven't pumped energy into SmackDown already. You'd think that even with this announcement they'd be trying to get people to watch the show. It's been filler each week since the brand split ended in the first place.

I think having a "unique roster" will help them out. If there's only one place to catch John Cena and The New Day, the hardcore audience will. But you're just diluting your product if Vince is still so heavily involved and sabotages the things that are working.
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I mean, they could have done a King of the Ring tournament exclusively on SmackDown, or even done a couple of NXT feature weeks. One week have an NXT Title match, with Samoa Joe and Finn Balor fighting to some sort of no contest to sell their Cage Match, the other week could have been the American Alpha/Revival rematch, the next week Asuka can kill Carmella after Enzo & Cass wish her luck in the back or something. Really simple things that hardcore fans might go "Hey, maybe I should actually watch this week."
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Didn't King of the Ring take place about this time last year? I'm pretty sure they only brought it back to give the King gimmick to Barrett.
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That being said, if things are going the way they are going and the company is dead-set on completely different rosters -- how about making the other major title on SmackDown the WWE Global Heavyweight Championship? I'm not a big fan of bringing the Big Gold Belt back, just because they used it for so long, they slimmed it down, it got held by so many guys, it's been unified with the WWE Title twice now -- just let that remain unified with the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Bring in a new belt, give it a really swank design and hell, it gives some of the older guys a new goal to work towards.

The WWE/World Heavyweight split worked somewhat the first time around. But "World" sounds bigger than just the company name. Still, the WWE Title carried the prestige. The World Heavyweight Title was the older belt though. They kind of had this balance. I think that is gone now. Swapping the "World" for "Global" is a pretty easy move to make, there has never been a "Global Champion" in WWE, and it allows the "World Championship" to keep its rank.

I know tournaments are the traditional and cool thing, but you're going to be beating a lot of guys that are going to need to help carry that brand going forward. And as Karl Jones from Squared Circle Gazette says, American companies don't do tournaments very well. Would it be obscene to have Shane and Stephanie announce the Global Championship on RAW, tell the fans it has a brand new lineage to coincide with the new era of WWE, and that when RAW and SmackDown split, the WWE Universe will be able to choose which Heavyweight Champion they want to back as the top guy in the industry. Then they announce that due to their recent history and ranking within the company, John Cena vs. AJ Styles at Money in the Bank will decide the first WWE Global Heavyweight Champion. The stakes have been raised, boys.

Give it a design somewhat like this, but with places you can put the logo plates (not my favorite thing they do these days, but still):



I think AJ Styles needs to win now that he is a heel to justify the turn, but they'd probably give it to Cena. Maybe Shane and Stephanie ban Anderson & Gallows from ringside so as to determine the rightful champion out the gate in order to get around that? Or maybe Gallows & Anderson are attacked backstage by their new rival tag team once they beat The New Day (or have The New Day themselves do it) and Cena goes on to win that way?

You could then theoretically spin the Tag Team Titles off into World Tag Titles on RAW (new belts for Anderson & Gallows) and Global Tag Team Titles on SmackDown. I would have wanted at least some of these guys on RAW, but a SmackDown Six-esque Global Tag Title feud between Cesaro & Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens & Chris Jericho and Alberto Del Rio & Sheamus would be hot shit. Ideally you could get Miz & Morrison in there, but I'm not sure how locked down Morrison is.

You could also bring in a Global Women's Championship, which could be won by Sasha Banks and you build that division around her. Or you move Becky, Nattie, Paige and Asuka to SmackDown and really give it an international vibe. Maybe bring up Adrienne Reese before you embed her in NXT lore?

Just some ideas instead of bringing old belts back. It's supposed to be a "new era" right?
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Didn't King of the Ring take place about this time last year? I'm pretty sure they only brought it back to give the King gimmick to Barrett.
About this time. I'm not really for it coming back because they don't really know how to do it, but it was mainly an example of things they could do it help bolster SmackDown.
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