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Old 06-04-2021, 06:58 PM   #1
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Anyone who can't admit Ryback was over in that time either wasn't watching or doesn't know what a hot crowd sounds like.
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Old 06-04-2021, 03:12 PM   #2
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Also not that he'd go there, but Ryback would at least look more legit than 85% of the AEW roster.
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Also not that he'd go there, but Ryback would at least look more legit than 85% of the AEW roster.
If referee Jason Ayers took his shirt off he’d look more legit than 85% of the AEW roster. It’s a shame Ryback needed people to project their own ideal charisma onto him.

Lol, remember when the dick cut a promo about The Secret? He fucking sucked. No instincts. Anything he had was paper thin and spurned on by the idea of potential, which actually wasn’t there.
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Old 06-04-2021, 03:54 PM   #4
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Watching that video makes me angry lol

Howwwww did they mess that up!
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Old 06-04-2021, 04:19 PM   #5
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Watching that video makes me angry lol

Howwwww did they mess that up!
It's not even the last time they've bricked a layup lol
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Watching that video makes me angry lol

Howwwww did they mess that up!
Ryback was buried because Punk cried about how terrible he was. Timing also kind of screwed him up because they were dead set on Rock vs Cena 2, so Punk was keeping the belt to drop Rock, so he could then drop it to Cena.

They also had him job at Wrestlemania then turned him heel, neither of which made much sense.
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Lol, I can’t believe I’m being called a troll because I’m pointing out that Ryback was a flop. Yes, if they had just pushed him harder we’d be in a golden era right now. We wouldn’t have needed that if they had just put Tom Magee over Bret Hart at WrestleMania though. And if only they had stuck with Nathan Jones instead of taking him out of that Mania tag with Taker.

These wrestlers are guilty pleasures. They weren’t money just because they made half the arena pop a couple of times and actually looked the part.
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Old 06-04-2021, 04:08 PM   #8
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What this proves to me is that kayfabe isn’t dead, and people are so hungry for someone like Goldberg again that if you get anyone jacked, push them, people will love the shit out of them and defend them 7 years after their one PPV peak.
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Old 06-04-2021, 04:08 PM   #9
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Wrath should have been a mega-star and beaten Goldberg at Starrcade ‘98, yo.
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Old 06-04-2021, 06:04 PM   #10
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Personally I didn’t rate Ryback all that highly but I can’t deny he was on the rise. Would he have been the next Hogan/Austin/Cena? Fuck knows. Because they derailed him before we could find out. The dude lost to Mark Henry at Mania. Pre-salmon jacket Mark Henry no less. This is the common thread with most of these releases. It’s not necessarily that they would have been the next guy to lead another “boom period”, it’s that there’s always, always something more left on the table.

That Vince/Creative didn’t “get” Aleister Black and couldn’t find something decent for him to do is insane. A dude that looks like that, who walks to the ring and kicks people’s faces off. You don’t even really need to try. There’s an almost never-ending list of guys that could be/could have been more than they were in WWE. They look back and laugh at WCW for letting go a “Stunning” Steve Austin. You think he even gets the chance to become “Stone Cold” in this era?
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Personally I didn’t rate Ryback all that highly but I can’t deny he was on the rise. Would he have been the next Hogan/Austin/Cena? Fuck knows. Because they derailed him before we could find out. The dude lost to Mark Henry at Mania. Pre-salmon jacket Mark Henry no less. This is the common thread with most of these releases. It’s not necessarily that they would have been the next guy to lead another “boom period”, it’s that there’s always, always something more left on the table.

That Vince/Creative didn’t “get” Aleister Black and couldn’t find something decent for him to do is insane. A dude that looks like that, who walks to the ring and kicks people’s faces off. You don’t even really need to try. There’s an almost never-ending list of guys that could be/could have been more than they were in WWE. They look back and laugh at WCW for letting go a “Stunning” Steve Austin. You think he even gets the chance to become “Stone Cold” in this era?
Of course he shouldn’t have lost to Mark Henry. But no, he wouldn’t have been Hogan/Austin/Cena, lol. All three of those guys could work. And no, they probably wouldn’t get Steve Austin in this environment. But that doesn’t mean that everyone who doesn’t get a chance is Steve Austin either.


Aleister Black has a decent look, but he’s pretty boring in the ring and on the mic. He does way too much indy stuff for a dude who is supposed to be a bad-ass. There’s no “oomph” there. People want him to be like a legit CM Punk or something, but he’s more like a Marty Jannetty to Punk’s Shawn Michaels. There’s nothing wrong with him, per se, but there was nothing wrong with Al Snow or Stevie Richards either.
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That Vince/Creative didn’t “get” Aleister Black and couldn’t find something decent for him to do is insane. A dude that looks like that, who walks to the ring and kicks people’s faces off. You don’t even really need to try. There’s an almost never-ending list of guys that could be/could have been more than they were in WWE. They look back and laugh at WCW for letting go a “Stunning” Steve Austin. You think he even gets the chance to become “Stone Cold” in this era?
Probably doesn't give any new talent much hope that they're gonna be used properly.
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Old 06-04-2021, 06:35 PM   #13
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TIL, I wanted Aleister Black to be like CM Punk.
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It’s how over, you stupid fuckers. He was not Attitude era over, nor did he do much but increase the buys of a single PPV. Those are facts.
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The Ryback was over as fuck for brief moment in time. I remember it looking like he was going to get pushed into the US title scene while Miz was champ. Maybe it was IC. Regardless, that looked like the direction till Cena got hurt and Ryback was fast tracked to be fed to Punk. Which is dumb. This company had hot shot title runs for Sheamus, Swagger, Mahal etc. but didn’t just take a shot on a guy who was getting pops. Mind boggling.
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Feel like Braun was much more of a "dropped ball" than The Ryback. Feel at points the fans were definitely way more into Braun than they ever were The Ryback.

Yes, WWE didn't do The Ryback any favours in getting him over, but also neither did The Ryback.
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Lol, when it comes time for Vince McMahon to talk, you can hear a pin drop. Hot crowd, guys.
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Scotty 2 Hotty outpopped The Ryback
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Of course he did. That was an Attitude era pop.
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What are these rumors that Vince is looking to sell WWE? Wtf did I watch on Youtube? That can't be true......
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What are these rumors that Vince is looking to sell WWE? Wtf did I watch on Youtube? That can't be true......
I've read that too. Since they're more into "content creation" than rasslin at this point, it actually wouldn't shock me if a streaming service scooped them up. I don't know if it would be Peacock, but the network being there now could be a step toward that.
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Ryback was over with me, I’ll tell you that much.
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Feel like I've made that post before but it could have been a text message or a tweet. Fuck it. It's fine.
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It’s also important to remember in jobbing out Ryback, it lead to the debut of Brad Maddox and the Shield. And I think we can all agree that that was overwhelmingly successful.
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I have a tough time believing that Vince would sell.

That kind of goes against everything people know about him.
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He's a carny and carnies like money. He would sell.
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Yeah but he’s also a huge control freak who likes things his way.

So I don’t know.
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Yeah but he’s also a huge control freak who likes things his way.

So I don’t know.
I agree with both of these. The reason I think he *could* sell is because he already "let go" of the network.

Of course it could all be bullshit, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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Vince at least wants the option of a sale. Everything he’s done has been taking steps to ultimately becoming validated by it.
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Ryback was as much a victim of bad timing as anything else. Vince was dead set on giving us to Rock vs. Cena 2 for the WWE Title. And nothing was going to stop him. Not CM Punk finding his groove as the top heel in the company. Not Cena get injured. And certainly NOT some guy getting over in the midcard.

The biggest problem for Vince at that time was, there was no one else who could have stepped into the role of Cena at that point. And, as over as the Ryback was, he wasn't mentally ready for that moment. In a year's time, he may have been. But they needed an opponent for Punk, and no one else was credible at that point (I think at the time I called it 'Cena Uber Alles' booking). So, they had to take the guy gunning for the mid card belt and get him ready to face the World Champion.

Then, they had to do this in a themed pay per view, which required it to be in a Hell in a Cell match. So, they had to show him lose, but in a way that didn't make him look weak. That leads to the next month, and with Cena thrown in the mix, as well. This is where the really bad timing REALLY comes into effect. They need a reason to make him lose in a ladder match and not look weak again. This time, they debut 3 guys to cost him the match. Those 3 guys just so happened to all be guys you could build a company around. So they have to look credible. How do you make them look credible? They have to beat people. Who did they beat more than anyone else? Ryback. What do you call a big world beater who can't beat the world? A loser. They would have been better off not putting him in that spot at al.

What messed Ryback up the most happened before even Hell in a Cell. They needed a big powerful man doing big powerful things. Ryback was the big powerful man. But he couldn't lift up Tensai. And that kind of made him look bad. Oddly enough, a not so big powerful man (which is a crazy way to describe a man who is 6'5" and 232 lbs.) did a big powerful thing that same night. One of them is getting trolled to retire endlessly. The other has been a mainstay in the company since then, he's not a top guy, either. However, Cesaro can and has been used in several roles and made them work.
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Ryback jobbing to Henry at 29 (and clean, no less, if I recall), was absolutely retarded. BUT, damn that next night when he came out and attacked Cena, the crowd were hot for that! I remember not knowing if it was a heel turn or just a "he's had enough and he's gunning for the champ" kinda thing, but it was awesome!

Of course... that was as good as it got for Ryback.
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Ryback jobbing to Henry at 29 (and clean, no less, if I recall), was absolutely retarded. BUT, damn that next night when he came out and attacked Cena, the crowd were hot for that! I remember not knowing if it was a heel turn or just a "he's had enough and he's gunning for the champ" kinda thing, but it was awesome!

Of course... that was as good as it got for Ryback.
I’d say that Punk feud before he jobbed in the cell was as good as it got for him but going out of their way to bury him so much then jobbing him clean to Mark Henry at WrestleMania only to move him into a feud with Cena for the title the very next night might be the peak of WWE having no fucking idea what they’re doing.
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Nobody wants to sign Ryback. He's insane. I never cared for.him outside of the few 6 man tags he was apart of at one time with the likes of Braun, Punk, and The Sheild.
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He is, but he also still has that mystique because he never went anywhere else.

I don't think at this stage he would be much of a difference maker long term, but he would "pop the terrority" for a short while, certainly bigger than Christian, Mark Henry, or Big Show.
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I know he was a huge muscle-bound dude but.... I always found him too short/small to be taken seriously as a "monster". Plus all that stuff with not being able to lift some of the bigger dudes
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Ryback was as much a victim of bad timing as anything else. Vince was dead set on giving us to Rock vs. Cena 2 for the WWE Title. And nothing was going to stop him. Not CM Punk finding his groove as the top heel in the company. Not Cena get injured. And certainly NOT some guy getting over in the midcard.

The biggest problem for Vince at that time was, there was no one else who could have stepped into the role of Cena at that point. And, as over as the Ryback was, he wasn't mentally ready for that moment. In a year's time, he may have been. But they needed an opponent for Punk, and no one else was credible at that point (I think at the time I called it 'Cena Uber Alles' booking). So, they had to take the guy gunning for the mid card belt and get him ready to face the World Champion.

Then, they had to do this in a themed pay per view, which required it to be in a Hell in a Cell match. So, they had to show him lose, but in a way that didn't make him look weak. That leads to the next month, and with Cena thrown in the mix, as well. This is where the really bad timing REALLY comes into effect. They need a reason to make him lose in a ladder match and not look weak again. This time, they debut 3 guys to cost him the match. Those 3 guys just so happened to all be guys you could build a company around. So they have to look credible. How do you make them look credible? They have to beat people. Who did they beat more than anyone else? Ryback. What do you call a big world beater who can't beat the world? A loser. They would have been better off not putting him in that spot at al.

What messed Ryback up the most happened before even Hell in a Cell. They needed a big powerful man doing big powerful things. Ryback was the big powerful man. But he couldn't lift up Tensai. And that kind of made him look bad. Oddly enough, a not so big powerful man (which is a crazy way to describe a man who is 6'5" and 232 lbs.) did a big powerful thing that same night. One of them is getting trolled to retire endlessly. The other has been a mainstay in the company since then, he's not a top guy, either. However, Cesaro can and has been used in several roles and made them work.
There’s not much I disagree with in here. The WWE did fuck him up. He could have been used in a way better role within a certain context — but that context wasn’t “The Guy.” He just wasn’t that good and didn’t have the right...much of anything. He was a fun throwback to big dudes having squash matches. He was a facsimile of what people missed about their childhoods in wrestling, missing that true authenticity and true ability to connect.


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I know he was a huge muscle-bound dude but.... I always found him too short/small to be taken seriously as a "monster". Plus all that stuff with not being able to lift some of the bigger dudes
There’s that too. For all the good there was to his look, he didn’t have anywhere near the presence of, say, a Goldberg. In people’s head canon he was there, and there’s something to be said for a guy getting that far. But he wasn’t actually there. If he was, you better believe Vince would have put the strap on him.
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It only happened to Tensai. Tensai didn't exactly help Ryback getting up there.

He later did the Shellshock to Khali and the Big Show
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As long as Ryback doesn't have to cut any long promos, I'd be fine seeing him rassle again.
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