Moss wants a trade - Page 5

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-26-2005, 01:27 AM

Didnt they put the tag on Woodson though?

**AlphaBean** · 02-26-2005, 01:32 AM

Yea and they had an offer on the table they never expected him to sign, but he signed it. So there's a chance they're over the cap, making the trade impossible. If that happens, then Woodson will become my favorite player of all time.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-26-2005, 01:38 AM

No they are getting Moss. Raiders will just cut some players or something.

**AlphaBean** · 02-26-2005, 01:50 AM

They'll throw Woodson on the pile.

And Ted Washington.

**BCWWF** · 02-26-2005, 01:55 AM

A friend of mine wants to be an NFL scout and puts a lot of time studying the draft and stuff...yeah he's weird...but this is what his opinion is on what will happen.

1. Sign Mushin Mohammad or else Plaxico Burress
2. With seventh overall draft pick, take DE David Pollack from Georgia
3. With second first round pick, take DS Thomas Davis from Georgia
4. Have Brian Russell and Corey Chavous compete for second safety spot
5. Keep Winfield, Brian Williams, and Ken Irvin on the corners
6. Resign Chris Claiborne
7. Move Kenechi Udeze back to the left end to make room for Pollack

If a big name WR can't be bought then take Mike Williams (Unless Braylon is still available). He says that the good LB on Texas is talented but not physically big enough. There is also speculation that we will take one of Auburns RB's, which would make me stop watching the Vikings. This guy thinks that this Thomas Davis guy is the real deal. Take that for what it is, but I trust that he knows quite a bit.

Personally, I don't know why but I think that Mike Williams would be a better fit on the Bears and Braylon on the Vikings. I could see Braylon not being good in Chicago, when Williams would. Who knows though, thats just a hunch

**BCWWF** · 02-26-2005, 02:27 AM

I thoughth you were kidding

http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S6578.html?cat=1

**The Outlaw** · 02-26-2005, 03:15 AM

LOL good god he was roasted

Also, Cadillac was ranked the third best "athlete" in the draft, with Ronnie Brown coming in fourth. I'm not sure what this translates to come draft time, but I just thought I would throw it out.

**Y2Ant** · 02-26-2005, 07:41 AM

I hope Oakland make the playoffs, and we beat them -edit- AFC, opps

I agree with what Stima said about good teams not relying on one player, just look what the Patriots have done without a superstar WR.

**AlphaBean** · 02-26-2005, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Ant

I hope Oakland make the playoffs, and we beat them -edit- AFC, opps

I agree with what Stima said about good teams not relying on one player, just look what the Patriots have done without a superstar WR.

Patriots, yes. Buccanneers had more than one good player, and they won. Ravens, too. Broncos had a bunch of good players. Packers too.

The fact of the matter is, it's better to have good players, than to get rid of them for bad players.

Who the fuck is Napolean Harris. That's bullshit. It won't make us a better team, unless we get extremely lucky in the draft, which I doubt. And if we waste the pick on a WR? Then what the FUCK was the point of trading Moss in the first place?

Think the Pats would have won the superbowl had they traded Tom Brady?

And another thing that the Pats have -- they don't have superstars, they just had a superiorly coached team. I am sure Bill Belicheck could have coached the Vikings to better than 8-8 with the talent we have. Fucks sake. Our O-Line is amazing, we had three good or better WRs and a pimp TE. Our defense was talented but underachieving, and with better coaching we'd have been okay. But the fact is, Randy Moss is better than no Randy Moss. And he wasn't a cancer until Mike Tice lost control of him. Tice said he knew how to handle Moss, and I guess he forgot. And you know what happens when someone neglects a puppy, it gets out of control, starts pissing on the rug, and people get rid of them.

Goodbye, best puppy in the entire NFL.

**BCWWF** · 02-26-2005, 01:11 PM

What people don't understand is that having a player of Randy Moss' caliber on a team completely changes an offense. It opens up the running game, it opens up the other WR, and it makes everybody better, including the coach. Now there is nothing special about the Vikings offense, even with Burress or Muhammad, there is nothing special about the offense. The offense will be completely different, and we are relying on Steve Loney to run it for us.

What I can't understand at all is that it looks like they might not resign Claiborne now. WTF? That makes no sense, trade Moss to get a LB since we only had one serviceable one last season, but then give up the guy who would be the best? Come on, if they do that there is a serious problem with saving money. If we draft two good defensive players with our draft picks, our defense could be a lot better, but I don't understand how adding Harris and removing Claiborne would make any sense.

We also need a kicker and a punter, and a lot of other special teams help that hasn't really been addressed at all.

**AlphaBean** · 02-27-2005, 08:27 PM

Fucking Red McCombs. Hahahaha Harris is taking Claiborne's place huh. Jeeeeeesus.

**The Outlaw** · 02-28-2005, 12:02 PM

HOLY SHIT

RONNIE BROWN WITH A 4 FLAT FORTY AT THE COMBINE

Clarett with a 4.82

**el fregadero** · 02-28-2005, 12:58 PM

I was reading about these two cats who were clocked "unofficially" at under 4.25.

**The Outlaw** · 02-28-2005, 01:01 PM

Yeah Brown was clocked at 4.0. One of my friends ordered it and watched it. He said another guy ran a 4.35 or something. If the time was off it wouldn't be off more than a tenth of a second, so that is still impressive.

But, LOL @ Clarett. A 4.82? That's like my speed.

**BCWWF** · 02-28-2005, 01:02 PM

The lineman going 4.9 is what makes it all the better

**DrA** · 02-28-2005, 05:34 PM

I hope you guys don't take that forty yard dash shit seriously. Honestly, when was the last time you saw a tight end win a game for a team after a ran a 4.21 to the end zone? It doesn't measure how good a player actually is.

**AlphaBean** · 02-28-2005, 06:34 PM

Yeah the proof is in your production.

And not playing football in 2 years, and the last time you had a fully healthy season was your senior year in high school, well,

. Yea Clarett is going to be the next SOD.

**AlphaBean** · 02-28-2005, 06:36 PM

OMG Robert Griffith was released?

Granted he's probably slow as a motherfucker, he's still the best run-stopper the Vikings have had in the past like 8 years.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 02-28-2005, 06:41 PM

hey did the bears "actually" sign Muhammed or do they have to wait till march 2nd or whatever? like if a player is released does that mean he can sign right away?

**AlphaBean** · 02-28-2005, 06:44 PM

Good question. You're not even supposed to be able to talk to player, BUT I THINK IF YOU ARE RELEASED IT IS DIFFERENT THAN FREE AGENCY, because the free agency period means a team gets a certain amount of time to make a contract offer before other teams can talk to you.

Of course Scott Linehan has been talking with Gus Frerotte since he became the OC in Miami, which should be fucking illeeeeeeeeeeeeeegal.

**BCWWF** · 02-28-2005, 09:56 PM

I was so excited when I saw Robert Griffith was cut, I didn't even know he was still in the league. Now we can rightfully take back our defenders that ditched for Cleveland

We just should bring back Griffith and Rudd, even if they aren't good they would be classy on the sidelines.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 02-28-2005, 10:17 PM

Griffith had 157 takles this season, his only problem is he's 34

**Gonzo** · 02-28-2005, 10:19 PM

4.0 is Bo Jackson shit.

**AlphaBean** · 02-28-2005, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

I was so excited when I saw Robert Griffith was cut, I didn't even know he was still in the league. Now we can rightfully take back our defenders that ditched for Cleveland

We just should bring back Griffith and Rudd, even if they aren't good they would be classy on the sidelines.

Corey Fuller.

**AlphaBean** · 02-28-2005, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA

Griffith had 157 takles this season, his only problem is he's 34

And a liability in the passing game... though he can hit, and knows where to go. Don't know why Crennel cut him. He's an old, hard-hitting safety. Rodney Harrison is Griff's bitch.

**The Outlaw** · 02-28-2005, 10:56 PM

Yeah where did I say a forty time won games? I was just saying, a 4 flat is ungodly.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 02-28-2005, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrA

I hope you guys don't take that forty yard dash shit seriously. Honestly, when was the last time you saw a tight end win a game for a team after a ran a 4.21 to the end zone? It doesn't measure how good a player actually is.

Yes but running a 4.8 40 isn't going to get it done in the NFL at the running back position. Unless you are a brusing back like Bettis. Clarrett didnt even finish his workout he just quit after he got a shitty 40 time. That really hurt him aswell.

Did you guys hear Randy Moss's agent talking shit about Culpepper? Wow..so not only is Moss a dumbshit, his agent is too.

**Gonzo** · 02-28-2005, 11:02 PM

Actually a split second difference in the 40 may mean the difference between hitting the hole to the next level or getting tackled.

**BCWWF** · 02-28-2005, 11:38 PM

a 4.82 forty does matter actually, the NFL has the most elite athletes. They choose from hundreds of division 1 schools, and if thats the best you can do then its simply not good enough.

**AlphaBean** · 02-28-2005, 11:58 PM

If you're a smart back with good vision, good fundamentals, etc. You can excel without blazing speed, Emmitt Smith.

As long as you follow your blockers and hit the holes when you need to, you can do better than a fast player.

According to Madden, the two fastest HBs are Michael Bennett and Trung Canidate. And they both suck. One of them isn't even in the league anymore. That should show you what a 40 time means.

**Gonzo** · 03-01-2005, 12:03 AM

The 40 time is an indication of not just top speed but also acceleration. The whole idea is that once a human is running full speed they can run 10 yards per second. When someone runs a 4.5 for example the .5 seconds is how long it takes them to accelerate to their top speed. Of course there are exceptions to this. Thats why when someone can run a 4.0 they are exceptionally fast and can accelerate well because they run each 10 yards in a second, without having to take the time to accelerate.

Emmitt ran a 4.6, not blazing fast but not really slow either.

**The Outlaw** · 03-01-2005, 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Actually a split second difference in the 40 may mean the difference between hitting the hole to the next level or getting tackled.

4.0 and 4.1 is not that difference you are referring to though.

**The Outlaw** · 03-01-2005, 12:05 AM

A kid I played with ran a 4.2 (runs faster when he's scared), and I thought that was the best I would ever see in person. Obviously, I was wrong.

**BCWWF** · 03-01-2005, 12:32 AM

How come Michael Bennett wasn't invited to the NFL skills competition speed contest? He was Big 10 sprint champion and thinking of going out for the Olympics.

Plus, he is pretty good when he gets into the open. Theres a big difference between 4.6 and 4.8 when you are a running back.

**AlphaBean** · 03-01-2005, 12:52 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2001738

This makes a lot of sense. If I trained as hard as Clarett did, I'd run extra slow, too.

**BCWWF** · 03-01-2005, 12:51 PM

From the Star Tribune

The Vikings will attack free agency with as much cap room (more than $30 million) as any team in the NFL. Their needs come throughout the defense, as well as on special teams and some positions on offense. One look at the team's priorities:

� Safety: The Vikings were disappointed by the play of Corey Chavous and Brian Russell last season and will look for a veteran replacement, probably for Russell. Denver's hard-hitting Kenoy Kennedy, who appears set on testing free agency, is a possibility.

� Receiver: Suddenly, the Vikings are thin at a once-deep position. Nate Burleson and Marcus Robinson are the only players guaranteed to return. This position might be filled through the draft, but those players available include Plaxico Burress, Derrick Mason and T.J. Houshmandzadeh.

� Placekicker: Incumbent Morten Andersen is a free agent, and it is possible the Vikings will find a combination placekicker/kickoff specialist in free agency. Other than Adam Vinatieri, who would require two first-round draft picks to sign, the next best available veteran might be Jay Feely.

� Linebacker: Even with the presumed addition of Napoleon Harris, the Vikings could use another starter. One darkhorse to consider: Washington's Antonio Pierce, whom they tried to sign as a restricted free agent last offseason.

� Cornerback: The Vikings tendered Brian Williams at $1.43 million but might still seek another starter to compete for a starting job. A possibility for the role is ex-Washington CB Fred Smoot. There have also been some discussions about ex-New England CB Ty Law, who could develop into a safety in the latter stages of his career.

Kevin Seifert

**MoRcHeEbA** · 03-01-2005, 02:30 PM

just a question about the 40 yard dash but didn't I hear that Jerry Rice had a shitty 40 yard dash time... I mean he is probably the best reciever ever so maybe blowing the 40 isn't all that bad.

**The Gooch** · 03-01-2005, 03:29 PM

Speed means shit IMO if you can't hold onto the ball or make a tackle. All this talk of individual times without their other stats is pretty useless.

**The Outlaw** · 03-01-2005, 03:34 PM

Yeah but the fact is...Brown totally dominated in everything if I am not mistaken. I read that he was solid all the way around. I have been saying for a long time that he would come out of the pack as the best RB in the draft...mad underrated.

**BCWWF** · 03-01-2005, 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Gooch

Speed means shit IMO if you can't hold onto the ball or make a tackle. All this talk of individual times without their other stats is pretty useless.

Yes, you can not get by in the NFL being as fast as Maurice Green but with no skill. Thats obvious. At the same time, you can't be good in the NFL if you have the skills but not the physical ability.

The guys in the NFL are the elite athletes, don't forget that. Especially in the running back position, there are so many great running backs in the league that have the skills and the physical ability. If you are missing one you won't be more then a third down back in this league.

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02-26-2005, 01:27 AM	#161
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Didnt they put the tag on Woodson though?

02-26-2005, 01:32 AM	#162
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Yea and they had an offer on the table they never expected him to sign, but he signed it. So there's a chance they're over the cap, making the trade impossible. If that happens, then Woodson will become my favorite player of all time.

02-26-2005, 01:38 AM	#163
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	No they are getting Moss. Raiders will just cut some players or something.

02-26-2005, 01:50 AM	#164
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	They'll throw Woodson on the pile. And Ted Washington.

02-26-2005, 01:55 AM	#165
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	A friend of mine wants to be an NFL scout and puts a lot of time studying the draft and stuff...yeah he's weird...but this is what his opinion is on what will happen. 1. Sign Mushin Mohammad or else Plaxico Burress 2. With seventh overall draft pick, take DE David Pollack from Georgia 3. With second first round pick, take DS Thomas Davis from Georgia 4. Have Brian Russell and Corey Chavous compete for second safety spot 5. Keep Winfield, Brian Williams, and Ken Irvin on the corners 6. Resign Chris Claiborne 7. Move Kenechi Udeze back to the left end to make room for Pollack If a big name WR can't be bought then take Mike Williams (Unless Braylon is still available). He says that the good LB on Texas is talented but not physically big enough. There is also speculation that we will take one of Auburns RB's, which would make me stop watching the Vikings. This guy thinks that this Thomas Davis guy is the real deal. Take that for what it is, but I trust that he knows quite a bit. Personally, I don't know why but I think that Mike Williams would be a better fit on the Bears and Braylon on the Vikings. I could see Braylon not being good in Chicago, when Williams would. Who knows though, thats just a hunch

02-26-2005, 02:27 AM	#166
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I thoughth you were kidding http://www.kstp.com/article/stories/S6578.html?cat=1

02-26-2005, 03:15 AM	#167
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	LOL good god he was roasted Also, Cadillac was ranked the third best "athlete" in the draft, with Ronnie Brown coming in fourth. I'm not sure what this translates to come draft time, but I just thought I would throw it out.

02-26-2005, 07:41 AM	#168
Y2Ant Crows Before Hoes Posts: 24,501	I hope Oakland make the playoffs, and we beat them -edit- AFC, opps I agree with what Stima said about good teams not relying on one player, just look what the Patriots have done without a superstar WR.

02-26-2005, 01:11 PM	#170
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	What people don't understand is that having a player of Randy Moss' caliber on a team completely changes an offense. It opens up the running game, it opens up the other WR, and it makes everybody better, including the coach. Now there is nothing special about the Vikings offense, even with Burress or Muhammad, there is nothing special about the offense. The offense will be completely different, and we are relying on Steve Loney to run it for us. What I can't understand at all is that it looks like they might not resign Claiborne now. WTF? That makes no sense, trade Moss to get a LB since we only had one serviceable one last season, but then give up the guy who would be the best? Come on, if they do that there is a serious problem with saving money. If we draft two good defensive players with our draft picks, our defense could be a lot better, but I don't understand how adding Harris and removing Claiborne would make any sense. We also need a kicker and a punter, and a lot of other special teams help that hasn't really been addressed at all.

02-27-2005, 08:27 PM	#171
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Fucking Red McCombs. Hahahaha Harris is taking Claiborne's place huh. Jeeeeeesus.

02-28-2005, 12:02 PM	#172
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	HOLY SHIT RONNIE BROWN WITH A 4 FLAT FORTY AT THE COMBINE Clarett with a 4.82

02-28-2005, 12:58 PM	#173
el fregadero Tap-In Posts: 20,300	I was reading about these two cats who were clocked "unofficially" at under 4.25.

02-28-2005, 01:01 PM	#174
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah Brown was clocked at 4.0. One of my friends ordered it and watched it. He said another guy ran a 4.35 or something. If the time was off it wouldn't be off more than a tenth of a second, so that is still impressive. But, LOL @ Clarett. A 4.82? That's like my speed.

02-28-2005, 01:02 PM	#175
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	The lineman going 4.9 is what makes it all the better

02-28-2005, 05:34 PM	#176
DrA Posts: 24,527	I hope you guys don't take that forty yard dash shit seriously. Honestly, when was the last time you saw a tight end win a game for a team after a ran a 4.21 to the end zone? It doesn't measure how good a player actually is.

02-28-2005, 06:34 PM	#177
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Yeah the proof is in your production. And not playing football in 2 years, and the last time you had a fully healthy season was your senior year in high school, well, . Yea Clarett is going to be the next SOD.

02-28-2005, 06:36 PM	#178
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	OMG Robert Griffith was released? Granted he's probably slow as a motherfucker, he's still the best run-stopper the Vikings have had in the past like 8 years.

02-28-2005, 06:41 PM	#179
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	hey did the bears "actually" sign Muhammed or do they have to wait till march 2nd or whatever? like if a player is released does that mean he can sign right away?

02-28-2005, 06:44 PM	#180
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	Good question. You're not even supposed to be able to talk to player, BUT I THINK IF YOU ARE RELEASED IT IS DIFFERENT THAN FREE AGENCY, because the free agency period means a team gets a certain amount of time to make a contract offer before other teams can talk to you. Of course Scott Linehan has been talking with Gus Frerotte since he became the OC in Miami, which should be fucking illeeeeeeeeeeeeeegal.

02-28-2005, 09:56 PM	#181
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I was so excited when I saw Robert Griffith was cut, I didn't even know he was still in the league. Now we can rightfully take back our defenders that ditched for Cleveland We just should bring back Griffith and Rudd, even if they aren't good they would be classy on the sidelines.

02-28-2005, 10:17 PM	#182
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	Griffith had 157 takles this season, his only problem is he's 34

02-28-2005, 10:19 PM	#183
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	4.0 is Bo Jackson shit.

02-28-2005, 10:56 PM	#186
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah where did I say a forty time won games? I was just saying, a 4 flat is ungodly.

02-28-2005, 11:02 PM	#188
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	Actually a split second difference in the 40 may mean the difference between hitting the hole to the next level or getting tackled.

02-28-2005, 11:38 PM	#189
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	a 4.82 forty does matter actually, the NFL has the most elite athletes. They choose from hundreds of division 1 schools, and if thats the best you can do then its simply not good enough.

02-28-2005, 11:58 PM	#190
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	If you're a smart back with good vision, good fundamentals, etc. You can excel without blazing speed, Emmitt Smith. As long as you follow your blockers and hit the holes when you need to, you can do better than a fast player. According to Madden, the two fastest HBs are Michael Bennett and Trung Canidate. And they both suck. One of them isn't even in the league anymore. That should show you what a 40 time means.

03-01-2005, 12:03 AM	#191
Gonzo feel the madness Posts: 11,360	The 40 time is an indication of not just top speed but also acceleration. The whole idea is that once a human is running full speed they can run 10 yards per second. When someone runs a 4.5 for example the .5 seconds is how long it takes them to accelerate to their top speed. Of course there are exceptions to this. Thats why when someone can run a 4.0 they are exceptionally fast and can accelerate well because they run each 10 yards in a second, without having to take the time to accelerate. Emmitt ran a 4.6, not blazing fast but not really slow either.

03-01-2005, 12:05 AM	#193
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	A kid I played with ran a 4.2 (runs faster when he's scared), and I thought that was the best I would ever see in person. Obviously, I was wrong.

03-01-2005, 12:32 AM	#194
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	How come Michael Bennett wasn't invited to the NFL skills competition speed contest? He was Big 10 sprint champion and thinking of going out for the Olympics. Plus, he is pretty good when he gets into the open. Theres a big difference between 4.6 and 4.8 when you are a running back.

03-01-2005, 12:52 AM	#195
AlphaBean Happy Inside Posts: 18,970	http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...ory?id=2001738 This makes a lot of sense. If I trained as hard as Clarett did, I'd run extra slow, too.