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Old 05-26-2006, 01:56 AM   #161
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I really enjoyed it. I felt like some characters weren't given enough to do, so I'm hoping for an extended edition. But I really enjoyed it. I'll have to rewatch X2 to be able to compare. I forgot to stay for the end credit scene. But its not like i won't see it 7 times while cleaning the theater.
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Old 05-26-2006, 02:41 AM   #162
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I liked it a lot. Just as much as the other two. If I had to rate them, ...I'd prolly say better than 1, almost as good as 2. Haven't seen either in sometime though.

Saw it in a theater with a bunch of comic fans, so it was quite the experience with the clapping at certain scenes/nods. ]

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Amazing! Ratner really held his own taking over for Singer. I loved Marsden's "punishment" for taking a role in Superman lol.

As a Kitty Pryde fan I was exstatic about the extent of her role in the film. I dunno if I just got used to them but the uniforms looked better than they had in any of the other films. Was the different colour trim in the other ones? I can't remember, Kitty's pink uniform really suited her, I'm gonna look into getting one because I'm that much of a dork.

Anyway all in all it was my favorite of the 3 barely beating out X2 (though I fully admit it very well might be because it didn't suck and Kitty Pryde had a decent role in it, I'm bias in that respect) . The only realy critique I had is that they should have added roughly 10-20 minutes of character exposition, as some events just seemed to happen too fast.

Minor correction spoiler from a previous post The guy throwing spikes was not Marrow (as I thought as well at first) but a version of Spike from the X-men Evolution cartoon (a different version of Spike actually appears in the comics as well)

One more thing ---> How awesome was full body Iceman
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Old 05-26-2006, 03:11 AM   #164
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How could you like this movie? Sersiously...I didn't like it at all. I have never seen so many characters needlessly get killed off for nothing.

Everyone around me in the theater said it was crap afterward. Maybe it's just that everyone around me had a pretty good idea of the comic books. I understand that it is a film adaptation, but this movie took alot of leeway with characters. Alot.

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Old 05-26-2006, 04:34 AM   #165
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How could you like this movie? Sersiously...I didn't like it at all. I have never seen so many characters needlessly get killed off for nothing.

Everyone around me in the theater said it was crap afterward. Maybe it's just that everyone around me had a pretty good idea of the comic books. I understand that it is a film adaptation, but this movie took alot of leeway with characters. Alot.

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Who do you think got needlessly killed off? Besides they kill of characters all the time in the comics, usually never permanently, so really death is never really a big deal lol.

As for leeway, the movies from day 1 have been faithful to the spirit (and the spirit alone) of the X-men, it captured the essence while telling their own tales with their own character variations, were there bigger character changes in X3 then the others sure, but look back at the other films, namely Rogue, they completely changed her back story.

BTW nice subtle insinuation that those who liked the movie don't have a good grasp on the comics.

Gonna add a couple more comments on the movie.

The weakest element was John Powell's score, not a big fan of it at all.

I actually thought Halle Berry actually managed to finally be a decent Storm with her "beefed" up part.

One element has my Kitty fangirl side fighting with my Film Student side, the decision after every major event in the film to constantly cut to a reaction shot from Kitty was odd, part of me likes it because hey it's more Kitty but my film student side didn't really see the point
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Old 05-26-2006, 08:35 AM   #166
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Saw it last night, soooo sick
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Here are the things I did not like. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, and I expect people to argue with me, which I really don't care to do. This is just my opinion.

Cyclops and Mystique got needlessly brushed out of the storyline. Considering Mystique was by far one of the most important villian characters of the first two movies, I was not pleased that she "took the bullet" for Magneto. And come on, bringing her back for a bit part that puts her on the "good" side only to have it spoiled by 90 Multiple Men is stupid. Please. But naked Mystique on the floor, however, is ok by me.

Use Beast more. Besides a very few agile manuvers, he basically played a more diplomatic role...which is fine I guess... but when you are going to introduce a character, use him more. I applaud this movie for utilizing Storm to her full potential, after being horribly used in the first movie. Also, having Wolverine not know Beast seems like a typical movie move. Beast was an orignal member of the X-men (as I am sure alot of you know), and he also happens to probably be the highest mutant political figure in this universe of the X-men. Wolverine is absolutely oblivious to who he is? I mean Beast even comments on how his suit used to fit him...you'd think Wolverine would have heard of former members. But that's just a tiny little thing that probably only pisses me off. BEAST IS A LEGEND AND I LOVE HIM. Kelsey did alright. Not great, but good enough.

Angel was flat out useless. I shouldn't even have to argue here. Why intoduce such a good character at the beginning of the movie before the opening credits roll only to have him do nothing. He saved his father. Wow. He also happened to be another original member of the X-men...which I would give them the benefit of the doubt of writing this out of the screenplay...but they used him horribly. He has NO bearing on the plot at alllllll.

Magneto got defeated by the most basic manuver EVER. Are you kidding me? Like Magneto didn't somehow think of watching his own back? Beast leapt a hundred feet into the air right behind him...and all Magneto does is just stare at Wolverine while he holds him down. If you are going to rip Magneto of his powers, at least make it a worthy battle. That is all that I ask. And don't get me started on that bullshit ending. Has Magneto lost his powers? Can he still move metal? Fuck that. I hate it when movies make exceptions, and people have to come up with explanations like "Magneto is older, so his genes are stronger" to justify it for themselves. Maybe that is why he hasn't lost his powers. Maybe not. Whatever the case, if you are going to rip the powers from one of the best villians ever...at least make it tragic or something. He could come back as a tragic hero in some capacity. That might have been an interesting turn on Magneto.

If you watch the Blackbird scene, according to everyone around me, right before the kids are playing the video game in the car, somebody is sitting in a seat that is blatantly named PS3. I don't know if I believe it...I'd have to see it again to do so. If it is true, wow. I hate product advertisment like that. Especially in movies and video games. It has no place in this movie...if it is there...but I can't vouche for it...someone will have to lookout for it...I am curious.

I always liked the fact that Juggernaut was Xavier's brother. Always put a nice touch to his character. But they chose to change that, which I guess is ok, but I think they could have fleshed him out a little more at least.

Wolverine's healing powers were ridiculous in the final scene with Jean Grey. Cool CGI, but I don't buy him being able to survive what Charles Xavier couldn't...even if Jean Grey wanted Logan to live deep down.

I don't like the mixture of teenage drama and mutants. Kitty Pride was fine, but having her constantly stare at Iceman only to see Rogue storm off is stupid. I hate teenage drama in real life...let alone in an action movie.

Final battle...seven X-men was it? Outnumbered? You bet. But they are the X-men after all...so I guess I can let that go. The fact that Magneto did nothing in the final battle but watch is (I guess) a typical movie villian move.

That Juggernaut line was ridiculous. I can't believe he actually said that. For the sheer ridiculous nature of it...I have to say it may have been my favorite part of the movie. But the guard earlier in the movie said "I'll spray you in the face, bitch", so I felt like they were just overusing the typical one-liners. Leave the one-liners to Sam Raimi and Bruce Campbell.

I'm sure I could keep arguing, and I'm sure you all disagree with me. Whatever the case...it just wasn't for me. I love the first two though...they both did a great job of making the world of the movie into a truly unique X-men universe.
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Old 05-26-2006, 06:07 PM   #168
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Damn hearing all your reviews it should be a damn good movie. The only downer I heard from around the net is that it was WAY to short.
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Old 05-26-2006, 06:56 PM   #169
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I saw it today and it was real good. Sure, there were a few things that they could've done better, but overall it was a really good watch. I'd say it was better than the 2nd and close to the 1st.
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Old 05-26-2006, 10:06 PM   #170
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It was ok. The FX were good and some parts were just mindblowing (i.e. "Phoenix" Jean vs. Xavier ) Others just left me cold.
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Old 05-26-2006, 11:17 PM   #171
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Just got back an hour ago.

Pretty good shit overall. Like Mitch said, better than X1, but not as good as X2.

Juggernaut wasn't as retarded looking as those pictures made him seem, aside from the penis helmet. Didn't really dig the fact that he wasn't as physically intimidating as he is supposed to be (like 7 feet and 900 pounds). Oh well. "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"... priceless. The way he got KO'd... less so. Even without his mystical strength, he's a pretty big dude with military training and could easily take 2 kids.

Just how many human-looking mutants were there in those protests? Aside from the fire guy, iced up Iceman, that fire-breathing guy, Mystique and Beast, Angel and armored Colossus there really weren't any mutants who looked unusual? I guess they spent all their money on Storm's flying/lightning CGI and Berry's paycheck.

Boomer, I suppose that last Magneto scene was supposed to indicate that this wasn't the last stand at all (ie. Leech's powers are only temporary).

Pyro came off more like the psycho he is in the comics. Goos shit.

Wow, Psylocke was useless.

Arclight, huh? Last I checked, she was one of Sinister's minions and was more into killing other mutants (namely the Morlocks, the group she was a part of in the movie).

Angel was kinda useless. No indication he'd be an X-man or just another student.

They say Cyclops is dead, but you know how comics are: no body = he's still alive. And what's this about Marsden being punished?

Xavier moving his mind into the catatonic guy shouldn't be a shock. Jean moved her mind into Emma Frost's comatose body one time after Trevor Fitzroy's sentinels from Bishop's future blasted her. Nice touch, IMO.

Grammer was really good as Beast. We all knew it was gonna be that way, but still.

They could have done this Phoenix thing better, but it could have been a lot worse too.

WTF was up with Magneto? Pawns? He'd never stand by while mutants were being mowed down like that. In fact, there was so much metal around that he could have done it by himself.

And WTF the whole Mystique being ditched thing? Even worse her face turn.

Whoooo Multiple Man. Even though they made him heel, his twisted jokes were still there.

I'll probably get this on DVD.
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Boomer,

The PS3 thing is in the movie - plain as day, in fact - but I don't think it's product placement, as it then cuts to Colossus or someone in a different chair and it says "PS4". It seemed more like a seat-number than a deliberate Sony plug.

I also agree with Wolverine's healing powers being ridiculous in that final scene. If you remember in the first movie, he got so ruined by Sabretooth/explosions/car accidents when Sabretooth ambushes Wolverine and Rogue that he actually needed to be nursed back to health by Jean at the Institute. But massive chunks of his torso fly off and he takes it on the chin?

Nonetheless, having had a couple of days to reflect on it, I really did enjoy it overall. This was no TMNT III. It was definitely a worthy sequel.
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Old 05-27-2006, 12:56 AM   #173
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I thought this movie was decent, but definetely needed like another half an hour haha (blame FOX studios for that one). They say there won't be a sequel...bull fucking shit. The whole Wolverine healing fast has to deal with the fact that all of the X-Men have been able to use their powers better as time goes on (Rogue for example) But yeah, there needs to be more X-Men movies, cuz this movie definetely did not leave me with satisfied closure.
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Old 05-27-2006, 01:28 AM   #174
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There will definitely be more X movies. Especially if this one does huge business over this long weekend. Whether the same cast is involved remains to be seen.

We'll get a Wolverine and possibly a Magneto movie before an X4 though.
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Overall, I think the movie probably was good (not great like some of us think) but the shock value of it all put it over the top honestly. Though I love this movie more than life right now (saw it again).
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I still can't get over that "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch" part. It was great. The movie was pretty good, but yeah, not great really. At the end once I saw the chess thing I knew Magneto was about to be seen moving metal again.
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Funky, it's been rumoured that Marsden was punished for taking a role in Superman Returns by having Cyclops marginalized.
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Saw it again and it still stands as an awesome film.

As for Juggernaut ---> One of his let's call it human flaws is that he's never really the smartest guy in a room (he's not stupid necesscarily but he's not a thinker), along with the ego that comes with being virtually unstoppable, he tends to just rush into things, which is exactly how he got defeated. Kitty is known to be pretty much one of the smartest X-men (though I suppose the movies don't really establish that), so really Kitty outsmarted him, end of story, it worked for me.
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I saw it and liked it better than the other two the one thing that pissed me off though was Collosus getting shown like 4 times and only throwing Wolverine

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I was content with the minimal screen time for Colossus. I love the character, he is one of my favourites, but Daniel Cudmore is a horrible choice.
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Old 05-27-2006, 09:32 AM   #181
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I figured the PS3 thing was just the numbering on the seat...but don't you think it's kind of ironic?

Also, if Leech's powers wear off, don't you think one of the scientists would have noticed it in the initial testing? I'm probably just being a Negative Nancy.
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I absolutely loved it. I'd put it a notch below X2, but on repeated viewings, it may pass it. Here come the spoilers.

"Magneto has also exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, though his abilities along these lines appear to be minimal." - from Marvel.com. If he has mild telepathic/telekinetic powers that aren't a part of his natural mutation (there are superpowered beings in the Marvel Universe who aren't mutants, after all), that would explain how he could manipulate the chess piece (which I was pretty sure was either plastic or wood) despite having his mutation "cured."

I was thinking that the bone-throwing guy was Random, but I'm not sure.

I was disappointed in their use of Angel and Psylocke in particular. These are two pretty interesting characters (even if Angel's powers are pretty lame), and they were reduced to the background. Angel sort of got a chance to show off at the very end, saving his dad, then soaring over now-peaceful San Fran, but the only things Psylocke does are materialize out of the shadows and...die. At least Arclight and Spike (which is who I guess they were going for with the blowfish kid) get to kill some people.

How freaking badass was Phoenix? When she evaporated Xavier, I wasn't sure how to react. It was hard, but there was also the thought "Xavier's the most powerful telepath in the world. He could survive on the Astral Plane for a while." But when she started disintegrating soldiers and Morlocks and weapons and...everything, it was damn cool.

I personally liked the way Juggernaut was defeated, for the same reasons Lara mentioned. He's not a rocket scientist, and he thinks he's invulnerable, so it's not that farfetched that he would be suckered into having his powers leeched and knocking himself out running headfirst into a wall. I would have liked to have seen more out of him, since Vinnie Jones is the man, but I thought he was a well-done character.

I didn't even really care that they ignored the fact that he's Xavier's half-brother. Sometimes, you just have to make changes. That backstory is convoluted as hell, and it's easier to make him a mutant than to have him stumble into a cave and discover the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak during the war. The audience has been built up through two movies to believe in mutation, we don't need to be adding magic to the storyline now.

I was a little disappointed that the Sentinels weren't actually real, but with the Project Wideawake tease in X2 and the fact that the President talks about "by any means necessary" to Trask in X3, there's still the possibility of them coming out in sequels.

I'm not all that shaken up by Cyclops' death. He was never really that interesting of a character, imo. I mean, he's a good leader and all, but he falls to pieces way too easy. Like, anytime anything remotely bad happens to Jean, he's absolutely worthless. Storm and Wolverine and everyone else can fight through their angst, but Cyclops runs and hides and cries about it until Jean's okay, then he's Mister Leader Guy again.

Anybody else think it'd be cool if Iceman's headbutt on Pyro wound up splitting John's head, forcing him to start wearing a half-mask in sequels?

GREAT nod to the long-time comic book fans by having Storm kill Callisto. That fight was really well-choreographed and -shot, and the ending was really satisfying. Plus, the shot of Callisto's piercing still being red-hot and smoking afterwards was awesome.

It seemed really odd to me that they got an actress of Shoreh Agdashloo's caliber and gave her such a tiny role. She was good, it just seemed like that role could have been filled by a non-Oscar-nominated actress just as well.

One thing that bugged me (just a little bit, though) is that - now that they had Xavier transfer his consciousness into the coma patient - they can't do that with Psylocke now. It'd just seem redundant.

I keep talking about sequels, even though they haven't been confirmed. I wouldn't be surprised if they did make at least one more, and I hope - if they do - that they develop a relationship between Xavier and Moira. Their son, Proteus, is one of my favorite villains ever, and he'd be more than enough for the X-Men to handle now that almost all of the villains from the first three movies are out of the picture.

On that same note, everyone's saying "But if they make another one, there aren't enough X-Men coming back," but I don't really believe that. Yes, they killed off Jean and Cyclops, Rogue got "cured," and Halle Berry says she won't do another one (I actually believe her this time. I think she's burned out on superheroes after the spectacular failure of Catwoman). But I haven't heard Hugh Jackman say that he wouldn't come back after his Wolverine spinoff. Plus there's still Beast, Iceman, Angel, Colossus, Leech, and Kitty, plus the chance to elevate one of the "background" characters from X3 (like they elevated Kitty and Colossus from their cameos in the first two) like Siryn or Jubilee. And now we know Charles isn't dead, so...

I suppose that's all that's going to pour out of me for the time being. I'm sure I'll come up with more the more I see it. In conclusion, I was more than satisfied with The Last Stand, although I still think I'd rank it just a notch below X2 (which may be my favorite superhero movie ever).
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GAMBIT should come in if they do another one.

I thought Psylocke was an emo guy the whole time
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The lack of Gambit was the only thing negative about this movie.
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I don't understand that thinking. Gambit is almost the exact same character as Wolverine, except he can make stuff blow up (and there are already plenty of characters who can do that in the movies). He's cool in comics and the cartoon, but he'd be redundant in the movies.
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I dunno, really. I don't think that Gambit would've been a crucial character to the plot (even though he was one of the main comic/cartoon characters). It's just that it feels like there's a missing link or something when they leave a character like that out, even if he's only in a few shots for a short amount of time.
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"Magneto has also exhibited powers of astral projection and telepathy, though his abilities along these lines appear to be minimal." - from Marvel.com. If he has mild telepathic/telekinetic powers that aren't a part of his natural mutation (there are superpowered beings in the Marvel Universe who aren't mutants, after all), that would explain how he could manipulate the chess piece (which I was pretty sure was either plastic or wood) despite having his mutation "cured."
I think Magneto moving the piece says that the cure was as effective as the military hoped. Allowing Rouge and Magneto and Mystiqu to return in sequels if necessary.
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That seems to be the most popular theory. But I really didn't think the pieces looked like they were metallic. I could have been wrong on that, but I thought they looked like they were plastic or wood.
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Didnt like Cyclops death. Didnt like Xavier's death. Didnt like Jean Grey's death.

I can understand that people will die but that was such a bullshit way to go about things.

Also, that was such a weak X-men lineup at the end. Storm and Wolverine? Okay. Iceman? I'll pass. But adding a lineup with no buildup of credibility pissed me off. I couldnt take their roles seriously. I was dissapointed to an extent.
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--->In terms of acting ability sure but he has the perfect look for Colossus, that type of look is not easy to find so the casting is at least somewhat excusable
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I dunno, really. I don't think that Gambit would've been a crucial character to the plot (even though he was one of the main comic/cartoon characters). It's just that it feels like there's a missing link or something when they leave a character like that out, even if he's only in a few shots for a short amount of time.
Meh Gambit is so utterly overrated it's not even funny, if they bring him in, it better be a cameo at best, if not cannon fodder in some massive death scene
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That seems to be the most popular theory. But I really didn't think the pieces looked like they were metallic. I could have been wrong on that, but I thought they looked like they were plastic or wood.
---->They were blatantly metallic, they looked nothing like wood or plastic.
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GAMBIT should come in if they do another one.

I thought Psylocke was an emo guy the whole time


I heard the reason that they didnt bring in Gambit was that his character would be too simmilar to wolvie with the whole outsider thing. But if they would be a x-4 then I would assume Wolvie would take more of a leadership role so it would work.


And Josh Holloway (Sawyer from Lost) would be fucking perfect as Gambit.
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