NFL 2005 Season Thread

[Excellance of Execution]

This is an article i found on Yahoo sports. Its the Eagles giving Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade for Owens. With this being the case, i don't see anyone trading for him. It would be stupid.

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- The Philadelphia Eagles have given agent Drew Rosenhaus permission to seek a trade for Terrell Owens, though it's unlikely a team would give up players or draft picks for the star receiver.

Owens' tumultuous time in Philadelphia ended in November when the Eagles suspended him four games for conduct detrimental to the team and deactivated him the last five games of the season.

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A series of infractions, including repeated criticism of quarterback Donovan McNabb and a verbal shot at the organization, led to Owens' banishment.

Rosenhaus has worked out trades for other client's in the past, including Washington running back Clinton Portis. However, it'll be difficult to do so with Owens, considering other teams know the Eagles are forced to cut him by March 1. Owens is due a $2.5 million signing bonus and $5 million roster bonus by that date if the Eagles don't let him go before.

Owens has five seasons remaining on the seven-year, $48.97 million contract he signed in March 2004. If a team trades for Owens, it would assume the contract he negotiated with the Eagles or redo the deal.

Owens is due a base salary of $770,000 next season, and was set to earn $5.5 million in 2007, $6.5 million in 2008, $7.5 million in 2009, and $8.5 million in 2010.

His problems in Philadelphia started when he demanded a new contract after an outstanding season in which he caught 77 passes for 1,200 yards and 14 touchdowns, helping the Eagles reach the Super Bowl for the first time in 24 years.

The 10-year veteran caught 47 passes for 763 yards and six touchdowns in a career-low seven games this season.

In late November, arbitrator Richard Bloch upheld the Eagles' suspension of Owens.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives If I coached Houston. Draft Bush. Trade Davis to Philly for Owens Trade up into the late first round and grab Jay Cutler.

VEL, nobody is going to trade for Owens. Philly is going to cut him. He is owed something like a 5 million dollar roster bonus if he's on the team by a certain date (not sure what it is). Any team would be foolish to trade for him. That would mean they would have to pay him that and pick up the rest of his contract. Not worth it. When he's cut any team can pick him up for far less then he is making now. I think houston should trade down and pick up more picks. They are not weak at RB and QB, they need help in just about every other aspect of the team. So more picks=more holes filled.

[The Outlaw]

Jay Cutler will have the best career as a pro out of the QBs taken this year, IMO

[VonErich Lives]

Someone will trade for him, the only reason is, it keeps him from being on the open market.

Plus, you can renegotiate deals.

I told you what I would do, not what I think they'll do.

Anyway, someone tell me this, all the jobs Kubiack has turned down over the years, what made the Texas so appealing that he took it?

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Someone will trade for him, the only reason is, it keeps him from being on the open market. Why would anyone trade for him if he will be a FA? Would you give up a draft pick or another player for someone you can sign when he's cut? Bottom line is, he will be cut and NO team will give him a ton of money. Someone will probably give him a one year deal for decent money, but noone is going to give him a ton of money right now. He may get more money down the road, but thats IF he can straighten out and be a team player. Plus, you can renegotiate deals. I told you what I would do, not what I think they'll do. Sure you can renegotiate deals, but when he's a free agent you can give him the same money contract you would if you renegotiated with him, except you wouldn't be giving up any draft picks. Anyway, someone tell me this, all the jobs Kubiack has turned down over the years, what made the Texas so appealing that he took it? Where did you hear this? I thought you couldn't negotiate with a coach in the playoffs? If he did take the job, i would think it has to do with the Texans potential. The owner seems like he's willing to spend money, and as far as i'm concerned they are a couple O-linemen away from being competetive. Davis is a stud and i think Carr could be very good if he was given more than 2 seconds to throw. I think their defense is decent and i honestly think they are a few pieces away from being a playoff team. Isn't that what you'd be looking for if you were a coach?

[AlphaBean]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Someone will trade for him, the only reason is, it keeps him from being on the open market. Plus, you can renegotiate deals. I told you what I would do, not what I think they'll do. Anyway, someone tell me this, all the jobs Kubiack has turned down over the years, what made the Texas so appealing that he took it?

I don't buy the "potential" horseshit. All teams have potential. They're all 10 free agent pick-ups and 14 draft picks away from being contenders.

The more probable reasons are:

1) He's a native Texan
2) Reggie Bush
3) ...Reggie Bush.

Actually #3 should be, it's about time. He's been around too long to never get a head coaching job. Maybe he didn't want to jump the gun and embarrass himself. And if this was the year to do it, Vikings are win now. Packers are win 5 years ago, Lions are win never, Chiefs are win yesterday, but break a hip tomorrow, Rams are win in 99. So in a way, maybe it's potential... the Texans are the only team with three good skill position players. trade a mid-round pick for Owens, and you have the potential to be an amazing offense...

Oops, potential!

[VonErich Lives]

again, we'll agree to disagree on Owens. There will probably be a trade before a cut.

on Kubiack they've been reporting it on the radio, but I don't see anything on espn's site, so it may be a speculation they jumped the guy on.

I did just read an article that Kubiack didn't leave Denver because his kids were "growing up" and didn't want to move them around, but he's from Houston, played at A&M and interviewed for the Texans job before Capers got it.

There are rules about coaches interviewing during playoffs, I think it's usually only on a bye week, but a team can give permission at other times. Kubiack interviews last week during the bye.

The NFL had to set up rules, because the top OC/DC on super bowl teams, weren't getting jobs because owners were making decisions before the superbowl and these guys were busy trying to win still.

[Excellance of Execution]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives again, we'll agree to disagree on Owens. There will probably be a trade before a cut. on Kubiack they've been reporting it on the radio, but I don't see anything on espn's site, so it may be a speculation they jumped the guy on. I did just read an article that Kubiack didn't leave Denver because his kids were "growing up" and didn't want to move them around, but he's from Houston, played at A&M and interviewed for the Texans job before Capers got it. There are rules about coaches interviewing during playoffs, I think it's usually only on a bye week, but a team can give permission at other times. Kubiack interviews last week during the bye. The NFL had to set up rules, because the top OC/DC on super bowl teams, weren't getting jobs because owners were making decisions before the superbowl and these guys were busy trying to win still.

I agree, lets agree to disagree We'll see what happens. I'll stick with my gut feeling that he will be cut and someone will give him a chance.

[Gonzo]

Agreed.

[The Greater Power]

Packers new coach is going to be Mike McCarthy, offensive coordinator of the 49ers.

He has coached for 20+ years and has a good relationship with Favre. Plus he was here (GB) in 1999.

Many people will bash this, but hey, don't judge a guy before you see what he does with a team. I am very much looking forward to next season.

[D Mac]

Chiefs will get T.O.

[RP]

I think T.O will be starting for the Eagles next year. Belive it or not.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Even though I picked Denver, I checked the spread last night and the Pats were evens at +3, which is unbelievably tempting

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Perhaps in the NFL it is slightly different because there are so few genuinely qualified candidates?

[RP]

Give the baby a bottle would ya Pittsburgh?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=2289603

I think the Colts style is pretty smash mouth. Fuck your back ups. We're gunna wear your ass out down the field. No substitutions. Eat shit Pittsburgh. Or maybe get a little more game stamina maybe? Or just cry about it and get your ass stomped for a second time this year.

[Mr. Monday Morning]

Eh, Porter just wants to bait them so they change their game and try to prove him wrong by trying to hit everything in sight.

Either that or he never engages his brain while playing.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Give the baby a bottle would ya Pittsburgh? http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=2289603 I think the Colts style is pretty smash mouth. Fuck your back ups. We're gunna wear your ass out down the field. No substitutions. Eat shit Pittsburgh. Or maybe get a little more game stamina maybe? Or just cry about it and get your ass stomped for a second time this year.

Welcome to our world, now you understand why no one likes Pittsburg, they never shut their mouth.

If they loose "we were the better team".

It doesn't matter if they're down 21 points in the 4th, their mouth keeps going.

That being said, the Colts aren't a "smash mouth" offense, that's not how their built and that's not what they need to be, plenty of teams aren't. I think their record shows their style works pretty well for them.

Also, we're still waiting for:

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder And all i hear now is that the Patriots are the team no one wants to face. WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Diesel Mac Explain.

I'm sure you'll have good reasons, I've been getting a kick out of these Broncos fans that have been calling local sports radio here.

Their top reasons why the Broncos will win.

1) The Pats lost 28-20 earlier this year.
2) The Pats haven't won in Denver since 2003
3) Denver won the last time these two met in the playoffs 22-17

It's really funny, I mean I can pull plenty of reasons and ways, why the Broncos could win, logical ones, such as, they have a good OL and if they pound the ball enough, and the Pats keep 8 in the box, they have a chance to burn those DB's going deep.

Using their logic, the Pats should win since they are on a 10-0 run in the playoffs and meanwhile Shanahan hasn't won a playoff game w/o Elway. (which is a stupid reason and no, I'm not using that as a reason).

TGIF, Friday will fly by, can't wait till Saturday night!

[Skippord]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Welcome to our world, now you understand why no one likes Pittsburg, they never shut their mouth. If they loose "we were the better team". It doesn't matter if they're down 21 points in the 4th, their mouth keeps going. That being said, the Colts aren't a "smash mouth" offense, that's not how their built and that's not what they need to be, plenty of teams aren't. I think their record shows their style works pretty well for them. Also, we're still waiting for: I'm sure you'll have good reasons, I've been getting a kick out of these Broncos fans that have been calling local sports radio here. Their top reasons why the Broncos will win. 1) The Pats lost 28-20 earlier this year. 2) The Pats haven't won in Denver since 2003 3) Denver won the last time these two met in the playoffs 22-17 It's really funny, I mean I can pull plenty of reasons and ways, why the Broncos could win, logical ones, such as, they have a good OL and if they pound the ball enough, and the Pats keep 8 in the box, they have a chance to burn those DB's going deep. Using their logic, the Pats should win since they are on a 10-0 run in the playoffs and meanwhile Shanahan hasn't won a playoff game w/o Elway. (which is a stupid reason and no, I'm not using that as a reason). TGIF, Friday will fly by, can't wait till Saturday night!

Just know they dont speak for us

[The Icon of Elisim]

Holy shit, Palmer's injury is worse than a torn ACL and MCL but his doctors still think he could be back for the start of next season. CRAZY

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2290239

[OssMan]

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS
HAIL VICTORY
BRAVES ON THE WARPATH
FIGHT FOR OLD D.C

[RoXer]

So is Shawn Alexander gay or whats goin on here?

[Corndad]

If you base your hatred of the Steelers on Joey Porter, I wouldn't.

A bunch of us in Pittsburgh can't stand him either.

[The Miz]

I'm glad I went to this game because this is the kind of game that wold be really boring to watch on TV. But I can finally breathe this sigh of relief.

Suck it, George Orwell

[Corndad]

Watching the Pats losing makes me smile.

[RP]

I dunno. New England just scored really quick

[RP]

ahhh nm

[RoXer]

What do the Broncos chant at the end of 3rd downs?

[The Miz]

Anyone have VEL's phone number, he told us to "call him when Vinatieri misses a big time field goal"

[RP]

Troy Brown is on suicide watch.

[CNM]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what a game. Finally, after 7 years, we win a playoff game. Goooo Broncosss

[Skippord]

Originally Posted by CNM WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO what a game. Finally, after 7 years, we win a playoff game. Goooo Broncosss

I was at the game fuckin awesome game

Me and my brother were cheering for Todd Sauerbraun all game

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Skippord I was at the game fuckin awesome game Me and my brother were cheering for Todd Sauerbraun all game

from a fan stand point, must have been a great game to be at.

[Skippord]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives from a fan stand point, must have been a great game to be at.

It was I'll admit it I marked out like a little bitch when Todd Sauerbraun forced the fumble

[RP]

Originally Posted by Skippord It was I'll admit it I marked out like a little bitch when Todd Sauerbraun forced the fumble

I didnt. Todd Sauerbraun takes steroids.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder How fucking fast is Ben Watson. Geez

I know, imagine that size/speed going 20/30 yds down field against DB's?

Originally Posted by Skippord It was I'll admit it I marked out like a little bitch when Todd Sauerbraun forced the fumble

Yeah, Hobbs has had a pretty good year for a rookie (3rd round) so I won't crap on him for one time not protecting the ball and a great play by Sauerbraun.

Like Troy Brown, the guy bleeds patriots colors, probably the only time he ever muffed a kick.

[VonErich Lives]

yep, Pats lost, still got 3 rings the last 4 years

The Pass interferance call was complete crap, the Side Judge had the view and didn't throw it, the back judge from the other side of the field threw it, horrible call.

The turnovers (like any team) killed the pats, I give the Broncos credit, they capitalised on turnovers which is what the good teams do to win.

Play of the game, Ben Watson on Champ Bailey

We've been spoiled as Pats fans, Vinateri always hits them, Brady doesn't make bad throws, they don't fumble... but it all happened today.

Troy Brown, best KR on the team, the guy who is put in for high/short kicks...

Ellis Hobbs... Kevin Faulk...

what can I say, Denver won.

*tips hat to Denver fans*

Held Bell/Anderson to under 90yds combined

Held Plummer to under 200 yds, sacked twice.

Brady never got sacked, threw for 341yds

5 turnovers.

That should be the real score.

Denver 5, Patriots 1.

The turnovers is what killed the Pats.

ugh... I'd rather have been just completely out played then lose that way.

I'd rather have seen plummer put up 400yds and andersn and bell each rush for 100yds, the lose on 5 fucking turnovers.

[VonErich Lives]

Anyways, so, RP... what's the scoop on this guy who'se wife stabbed him in the knee?

[RP]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Anyways, so, RP... what's the scoop on this guy who'se wife stabbed him in the knee?

It was Nick Harper. Starting CB. Domestic issues have been a problem for him and his wife. He was arrested last year on domestic issues. She claimed he hit her.

[The Miz]

Originally Posted by VEL yep, Pats lost, still got 3 rings the last 4 years

*3 the last 5. And I knew this would be the first sentence.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by The Miz *3 the last 5. And I knew this would be the first sentence.

Since we haven't had the super bowl yet, it's still 3 the last 4, then it becomes 3 out of 4. See how the wording changes, but the rings don't fade.

I take nothing away from Denver tonight and whoever wins the SB this year, but in the same, you can't take away from what the Pats have done, 3 in 4 years, one of the best "dynasties" in nfl history (Pitt, Dallas, SF the others)