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Old 11-17-2015, 04:53 PM   #281
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But that's the reason I don't enjoy him. Even Cynick said the guy could benefit from some more moves. For a big guy his offense is kinda weak. His only power move is a samoan drop. Never liked the spear as a finisher anyway. He should have kept the power bomb from his shield days.
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But that's the reason I don't enjoy him. Even Cynick said the guy could benefit from some more moves. For a big guy his offense is kinda weak. His only power move is a samoan drop. Never liked the spear as a finisher anyway. He should have kept the power bomb from his shield days.
...the triple power bomb?
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Power moves are tough, because you want to be able to do them to everyone on the roster.
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...the triple power bomb?
Yeah without the triple obviously.
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Power moves are tough, because you want to be able to do them to everyone on the roster.
How is Michael Cole ever going to blow his load if Reigns can't pick up the Big Show. Reigns is one of the bigger guys on the roster he should be able to pick everyone up.
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Size, unique look, presence, established finisher, sells merch
Size? Let's talk weight:

Big E, Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, D-Von Dudley, Erick Rowan, Jack Swagger, Kane, Kevin Owens, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Rusev, Ryback, Sheamus, Titus O'Neil and The Undertaker are all either heavier than Reigns, or billed as being heavier.

Let's talk height:

Alberto Del Rio, Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, Cesaro, Curtis Axel, Damien Sandow, Dean Ambrose, Erick Rowan, Fandango, Goldust, Jack Swagger, Jimmy Uso, Kane, King Barrett, Konnor, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Randy Orton, The Rock, Titus O'Neil, Triple H, The Undertaker are all either as tall as Reigns, or taller.

Wrestlers that appear on both lists:

Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, Erick Rowan, Jack Swagger, Kane, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Titus O'Neil and The Undertaker.

I'll let you run those stats.
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"Big" signature moves, being presented as strong, and having the booking team behind him.
Here are answers that make sense. It's basically a corporate wham-job.
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Which totally works. We just need MORE corporate wham-jobs.
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Roman Reigns had another stellar match this week on Raw. Hell, he even managed to get a decent match out of Cesaro. That guy is main event/world champion material!
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How is Michael Cole ever going to blow his load if Reigns can't pick up the Big Show. Reigns is one of the bigger guys on the roster he should be able to pick everyone up.
Certain moves cant be done to Show and guys his size without looking completely ridiculous.
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Size? Let's talk weight:

Big E, Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, D-Von Dudley, Erick Rowan, Jack Swagger, Kane, Kevin Owens, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Rusev, Ryback, Sheamus, Titus O'Neil and The Undertaker are all either heavier than Reigns, or billed as being heavier.

Let's talk height:

Alberto Del Rio, Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, Cesaro, Curtis Axel, Damien Sandow, Dean Ambrose, Erick Rowan, Fandango, Goldust, Jack Swagger, Jimmy Uso, Kane, King Barrett, Konnor, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Randy Orton, The Rock, Titus O'Neil, Triple H, The Undertaker are all either as tall as Reigns, or taller.

Wrestlers that appear on both lists:

Big Show, Braun Strowman, Bray Wyatt, Brock Lesnar, Bubba Ray Dudley, Erick Rowan, Jack Swagger, Kane, Luke Harper, Mark Henry, Titus O'Neil and The Undertaker.

I'll let you run those stats.
That certainly is a list of names. Way to contribute bud.

I dont understand your counterpoint here. As usual, I think you feel like you have a point, but you haven't effectively articulated it.

Are you thinking I said everyone over a certain height and weight should be pushed?
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Old 11-18-2015, 12:08 PM   #293
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Yeah without the triple obviously.
But he was using the Superman punch and the spear as finishers while that triple team move was happening. are you suggesting he change finishers to a powerbomb? I think that would have lent itself to him being even more bland
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A Powerbomb every now and then would be nice, but it shouldn't be his primary finisher.
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I think a power bomb would be great for him as his finisher. The Superman punch is alright but I just hate the spear as a finisher if your not Rhyno.
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Reigns pulls off the Spear fine. He should use that like 80-20 to the Powerbomb.
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:33 PM   #297
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The spear is so unoriginal though, and has been done to death, he needs something to call his own.

The spear also at least contributed to Edges neck problems
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Reigns pulls off the Spear fine. He should use that like 80-20 to the power bomb.
Nothing wrong with the way he does it, I just don't think its a good finisher. I mean its essentially a tackle and football players get up after every tackle if not for an injury.
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Old 11-18-2015, 07:56 PM   #299
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Superman Punch could work as a finisher on its own.

Needs to really cut back on the amount of times its used and have Big Show drop his own Knockout Punch finisher. Build it over time so that it really feels like a match could end once the setup happens just like with Big Show's punch or HBK's Sweet Chin Music.

Right now its just a regular punch that barely works most of the time to setup his finisher because he over does it in matches.
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Would hate for the Superman Punch to be hill his finisher. It does not look strong enough for the new top dawn in the WWE.
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How does DC allow the use of the term SuperMan Punch anyways?
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I like the Superman Punch-Spear combo. Allows for lots of reversals when he's in big matches.

I do think he could use one more big move that could be a secondary finisher. Maybe a submission.

The Power Bomb could also work. Is anyone else using it now?
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Nothing wrong with the way he does it, I just don't think its a good finisher. I mean its essentially a tackle and football players get up after every tackle if not for an injury.
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I like the Superman Punch-Spear combo. Allows for lots of reversals when he's in big matches.

I do think he could use one more big move that could be a secondary finisher. Maybe a submission.

The Power Bomb could also work. Is anyone else using it now?
i agree. he definitely needs a submission. would be interesting. very cena-ish, but interesting.
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I think he definitely should have kept the powerbomb... granted when he used to do it, it was with Seth and Dean.... but no reason he can't do the OOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH Bomb on his own....
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I think he definitely should have kept the powerbomb... granted when he used to do it, it was with Seth and Dean.... but no reason he can't do the OOOOOOOOOAAAAHHHHH Bomb on his own....
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So Cena, Taker, and now Reigns. You guys are right, there's no reason anyone should be taking Reigns seriously when he's in the company of guys like that. And what a jobber Wyatt had turned into. Imagine losing to the face of the franchise, the guy who has been on top for 25 years and the up and coming top babyface. Burrrrrrried. Amirite?
Should I list guys who have jobbed to John Cena as if that's an accomplishment or nah?

Because I feel like it would be really dumb and pointless to start listing guys who have jobbed to John Cena as if JOBBING to John Cena is a rite of passage or something and actually means you're relevant. I feel like BEATING people is a sign that you're relevant as opposed to losing to them (I mean... even I could lose to John Cena... losing to someone is quite easy...) but that could just be me. I haven't been on in a couple days so there could be a ton of posts explaining how losing lots of matches means that beating you is a huge accomplishment so if there are then please disregard this post.
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Old 11-19-2015, 05:15 AM   #308
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Nope. Just CyNick replying to a Noid post is the most CyNick fashion ever and Noid making very appropriate use of a Cornette face. Carry on.
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Old 11-19-2015, 02:05 PM   #309
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Should I list guys who have jobbed to John Cena as if that's an accomplishment or nah?

Because I feel like it would be really dumb and pointless to start listing guys who have jobbed to John Cena as if JOBBING to John Cena is a rite of passage or something and actually means you're relevant. I feel like BEATING people is a sign that you're relevant as opposed to losing to them (I mean... even I could lose to John Cena... losing to someone is quite easy...) but that could just be me. I haven't been on in a couple days so there could be a ton of posts explaining how losing lots of matches means that beating you is a huge accomplishment so if there are then please disregard this post.
I said Reigns looked strong coming off the program with Wyatt (an accurate statement). Someone said Wyatt is a jobber and everyone looks strong against him (a debatable point at best).

I pointed out his only major losses have been to top guys (Cena, Taker, and Reigns), which doesn't make him any type of jobber. His other programs (Bryan, Ryback, Ambrose, etc) he won. And he's also beaten Reigns and Cena at different times and he just laid out Taker last month.

So to me, by Reigns winning and looking strong, he puts himself in elite company who have beat Wyatt.

Is that factual enough? Or no?
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I only watch the NFL, I don't watch the CFL or the AFL or any other small time organization. Same applies to my sports entertainment. What would I get from watching another product? How to be less successful?
So you only watch things because they're successful? Things make sense now.

Do you also try to rationalize retarded things in other successful forms of entertainment so that your world view won't be shaken?
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Also "What would I get from watching another product? How to be less successful?" literally implies that you watch WWE/the NFL not for entertainment value but for educational value on how to build a successful brand. Which is hilarious.
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Judging by the tournament brackets it will be Reigns vs Ambrose for the belt. Maybe Barrett instead of Ambrose because they like face vs heal. I wouldn't be surprised by a Shamus cash in at some point either.

Predictable?

Hmmmmm.
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Also "What would I get from watching another product? How to be less successful?" literally implies that you watch WWE/the NFL not for entertainment value but for educational value on how to build a successful brand. Which is hilarious.
I watch because it's the best game in town.

Sorry, maybe I should watch those shows in gyms with 40 people in the crowd. I'm sure they are superior at all aspects of sports entertainment.
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I watch because it's the best game in town.

Sorry, maybe I should watch those shows in gyms with 40 people in the crowd. I'm sure they are superior at all aspects of sports entertainment.
Love your opinions bro. But I think you purposely missed Fans point this time.
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Love your opinions bro. But I think you purposely missed Fans point this time.
Thanks.

No I got his point. I have watched other forms of sports entertainment in the past. I only stick to watching WWE because they are far and away the best in the genre. I've never seen another promotion do sports entertainment better than WWE. so generally speaking, I don't think much can be learned from the other groups.
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And that explains why you're such a vapid cunt.

"You see there are other ways to make soft drink..."

"BUT IT'S NOT COKE!"

"For what you're looking for, you might need this sort of shoe..."

"BUT IT'S NOT NIKE!"

"For a chilled out get together? You might want to play this sort of music..."

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"IT'S NOT DIRECTED BY MICHAEL BAY!"

If you're not trolling, I feel sorry for you, because not only would that make you ignorant, but boring as well. Honestly, dude, get a little flavor in your life. Try new things and accept that the most successful thing isn't always the best.
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My apologies for not being hipster enough for you Noid. Nothing funnier than someone getting angry at someone because they don't hate something. I forgot this is the group of fans who get together to talk about how much everything sucks.

Of course there are millions of different ways to do things, but the successful ways stand the test of time. Coke in soft drinks, Nike in shoes, WWE in sports entertainment. The IWC tries to pretend they know how to do sports entertainment better than the guy who had been dominating the industry for 30 years plus.
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It's funny, the CEO of BlockBuster said something similar about netflix users.
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It's funny, the CEO of BlockBuster said something similar about netflix users.
So which indy group is netflix?
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