MLB 2005-2006 Offseason Thread

[Dragon]

Yeah, heard he wanted 7 years, $84 million. Ridiculous.

[The Miz]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives Good defensively,

Excuse me?

He probably had a high fielding percentage, but come on.

[VonErich Lives]

Originally Posted by The Miz Excuse me? He probably had a high fielding percentage, but come on.

His fielding part is fine, great range and makes good plays.

The problem is once he gets the ball, he has no arm at all.

[Joey Slugs]

Miz... instead of talking about this in the casual forum, i'd rather have it out here.

What is the reason behind your half-wit thinking that F% has nothing to do with Gold Glove Awards?

[Loose Cannon]

He's not arguing that it has nothing to do with it, he's arguing that it shouldn't be the be all end all to winning a gold glove

[The Outlaw]

To which I agree.

[The Miz]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon He's not arguing that it has nothing to do with it, he's arguing that it shouldn't be the be all end all to winning a gold glove

Exactly.

Fielding percentage does not measure the difficulty of plays the fielder made.

Fielding percentage does not tell you if a player's errors were on routine grounders or impossible hops

Fielding percentage does not tell you if the scorekeeper was being generous or being too harsh

(for infielders) Fielding percentage does not measure the quality of your first baseman, who can turn alot of errors into putouts.

Fielding percentage does not tell you how strong or weak a guys arm is, how quick his hands are when turning two, how he plays bad hops, how well he can range to his right, etc. Most importantly, fielding percentage does not tell you how many runs a fielder has saved.

Fielding percentage is simply not a good measure of defense. If one shortstop has a .992 fielding percentage and another has a .975, that tells me nothing. I will take Julio Lugo and his .968 over almost any shortstop in the AL.

Every stat has its flaws but fielding percentage is way more flawed than most.

eric hinske had a great fileding % at 3rd base a couple of years ago, but he was too fat to make any hard plays

Jays re-signed Josh Towers to a nice contract. He deserves every penny

[YOUR Hero]

Matsui and the Yanks come to terms. I think I heard 52 (or was it 58) million

[FakeLaser]

Nady to the Mets, Cameron to the Padres

[VonErich Lives]

I think on the radio the said "Blue Jays"

Made a 5yr offer to Burnett, last pitcher to get a 5yr deal was Chan-Ho Park (yeah, that one worked out well).

Also that the Jays are going after Ryan.

Just tell me, do the Jays have the fundsl for this? or will we have another diamond backs?

[OssMan]

Mets are gonna pursue Carlos Delgado now. NOOooooo

[Adder]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives I think on the radio the said "Blue Jays" Made a 5yr offer to Burnett, last pitcher to get a 5yr deal was Chan-Ho Park (yeah, that one worked out well). Also that the Jays are going after Ryan. Just tell me, do the Jays have the fundsl for this? or will we have another diamond backs?

It's a little known fact, but the Jays are maybe the richest, at least one of the richest teams in baseball. They are owned by Rogers' Cable. A multi Billion dollar company. They've always been wise, if not prudish spenders. They did say however that they were going to give Richardi a larger budget this coming season.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by AssMan Mets are gonna pursue Carlos Delgado now. NOOooooo

Great 1B. Don't know why you'd be sad about that. Wish the Jays never got rid of him. Oddly enough it was because of money, now they're looking to be a little more generous with their payroll. Carlos was making 18 million in his last years with the Jays though. Tough to justify that.

[OssMan]

I'm angry because we just had a rookie Mike Jacobs come in the middle of the season and put up ridiculous numbers at 1B. I don't understand why we are looking for a first baseman. We have so many other priorities that need to be filled first and if you ask me, Mike Jacobs should have the starting job next year. The Mets are ridiculous though.

[The Icon of Elisim]

Originally Posted by Adder It's a little known fact, but the Jays are maybe the richest, at least one of the richest teams in baseball. They are owned by Rogers' Cable. A multi Billion dollar company. They've always been wise, if not prudish spenders. They did say however that they were going to give Richardi a larger budget this coming season.

Riccardi is getting an extra 20 million in payroll. ESPN says that two teams have offered AJ 5 year deals, the Blue Jays for sure (5 years 50 million) and another one that isn't known yet.

I dunno, I'd love a starting pitcher and maybe if Burnett reunites with a coach he likes (Arnsberg was his pitching coach in Florida) then he might be a great and consistent pitcher but I don't see him worth that kind of commitment. Our starting rotation is good enough to wait for something better with Halladay, Bush, Towers and Chacin with Pete Walker in odd starts.

I think the biggest job of the offseason is going to be moving Batista and Hinske and finding a good bat somewhere

[YOUR Hero]

Bush, Chacin and Towers aren't quite ready for primetime. Chacin has one year under his belt and if he showed anything, it's that he tires. Towers and Bush are fringe starters at best, I love their heart, but the Jays need another reliable pitcher. Someone that can eat up innings and the like. Don't forget Lilly. Not sure if he's on his way out or if he'll be back in the rotation. Hope he's traded along with the guys you mentioned.

[Evil Vito]

Crap, the Cubs signed Eyre He woulda looked great in a Mets uniform

Anyways, I hope we get Delgado. He should give us the big bat in the offense we sorely need.

Shame about Jacobs though. He'd be a great asset off the bench, though I wouldn't be shocked if Jacobs were sent out for Delgado. If for some reason the Mets still had him and they didn't get one of the catchers they wanted (Bengie, Ramon, trade for Pudge), they COULD have Jacobs start at catcher to keep his bat in the lineup

Problem is, he's worse than Piazza from what I heard (terrible at throwing like Piazza, and without the good game-calling abilities Piazza had)

[BCWWF]

An unofficial list of players that have been brough up on the Twins table:

Mike Piazza
Tony Graffanino
Bill Mueller
Rondell White
Nomar Garciapara

Come spring training, they might take a look at Jim Thome, but they don't want to trade until he can for sure play.

Yahoo! had the Twins interested in Troy Glaus, but that is obviously bullshit. His name has never come up in local media, and I don't know why they would spend a lot of money on an injury prone player.

We need a couple guys, and the short list I listed above has them. Graffanino at 2nd and Mueller at 3rd, and then if we could add Piazza as well, we would be REALLY good. The first two guys are neccessary, because we need to fill at least two of the three vacancies in the infield, and then we need some sort of a power bat to DH.

1. Shannon Stewart
2. Joe Mauer
3. Bill Mueller
4. Justin Morneau
5. Mike Piazza
6. Torii Hunter
7. Tony Grafanino
8. Whoever ends up playing right field
9. Nick Punto

1. Johan Santana
2. Brad Radke
3. Carlos Silva
4. Scott Baker
5. Kyle Lohse (likely to get traded, where either J.D. Durbin or Francisco Lariano step in)

RP. Matt Guirrier
RP. Juan Rincon
RP. Jesse Crain
RP. J.C. Romero
C. Joe Nathan

Wow.

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives I think on the radio the said "Blue Jays" Made a 5yr offer to Burnett, last pitcher to get a 5yr deal was Chan-Ho Park (yeah, that one worked out well). Also that the Jays are going after Ryan. Just tell me, do the Jays have the fundsl for this? or will we have another diamond backs?

the jays got an extra 30 million from rogers for the team this year so yeah. I guess the jays are also looking at erubiel durazo

[Joey Slugs]

Originally Posted by L L Cool G the jays got an extra 30 million from rogers for the team this year so yeah. I guess the jays are also looking at erubiel durazo

it's about damn time another team is looking to step up in the AL East. baltimore tried and failed hard... i just hope toronto doesn't pull the same shit.

[Joey Slugs]

Thursday, November 17
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
A.J. Burnett Marlins	Cubs? Cardinals? Nationals Mets? Mariners Blue Jays Rangers? Red Sox? Orioles?	High fives for A.J. Nov 17 - A.J. Burnett, the prize of this winter's free-agent starting pitching market, has received two five-year offers from clubs and expects to receive at least two more within the next week, his agent, Darek Braunecker, told ESPN.com Insider Jerry Crasnick. While Braunecker declined to identify specific teams in the bidding for Burnett, a baseball source confirmed that the Blue Jays have offered Burnett a five-year deal for about $50 million. Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi couldn't immediately be reached to comment. According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, of Burnett's nine suitors, only the Red Sox have indicated that they will not offer five years. Boston, however, will be given the opportunity to take the average annual value above Burnett's target of $12M. Burnett dined in Florida with the Cardinals on Tuesday and the Nationals on Wednesday.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Billy Wagner Phillies	Mets Phillies	NL East race for Wags Nov 17 - After meeting at Billy Wagner's Virginia home on Wednesday, the Phillies and Wagner surprisingly agreed to leave their previous offer (two years, with a vesting option that could bring the total to $27 million over three years) on the table, at least for now, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports. The Mets are in position to outbid the Phillies, and have hinted they're willing to guarantee a fourth season -- something the Phillies are unlikely to do. Wagner is scheduled to visit the Mets next week.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Johnny Damon Red Sox	Red Sox Yankees? Cubs?	Johnny cash Nov 17 - The Yankees have inquired about Johnny Damon's asking price, but even they find the center fielder's initial request -- seven years for $84 million -- a bit too steep, Newsday reports. The Yanks might be more interested if Damon, 32, dropped his price to around $44 million for four years. According to The Boston Globe, the Red Sox are expected to make their initial offer -- three years for $25M-$27M -- to Damon in the next couple of days. "I believe the Yankees would dominate with Johnny Damon on their team," Damon's agent, Scott Boras, told the newspaper. "The key component is, how do you maximize A-Rod and Jeter? [Damon] makes A-Rod, Jeter and Matsui better."
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Brian Giles Padres	Yankees Cardinals? Red Sox? Mariners? Indians?	The personal touch Nov 17 - Brian Giles's agent, Joe Bick, confirmed that Yankees manager Joe Torre has tried to contact the 34-year-old outfielder, and that Giles planned to call him back Wednesday, The New York Times reports. Bick told ESPN.com Insider Jerry Crasnick that San Diego, Giles' team since 2003, has been less aggressive than several other clubs. The Padres made an offer for three years and about $25 million after the season, then pulled it off the table. Now, with the pending addition of Mike Cameron and his $7 million salary, it appears that San Diego is committed to moving in a different direction. "We have said for public consumption that Brian would like to go back there," Bick said. "But if they're not interested in being competitive in the process, it may not work out."
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Boston		Beattie takes the lead Nov 17 - In their search to replace GM Theo Epstein, the Red Sox have asked Jim Beattie back for a second interview, the Boston Herald reports. Braves assistant GM Dayton Moore, who reportedly was the leading candidate after the first interview, removed his name from consideration on Tuesday.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Rafael Furcal Braves	Cubs Mets	Leadoff love Nov 17 - Cubs GM Jim Hendry's "main obsession," writes The Chicago Tribune's Paul Sullivan, is a leadoff hitter, namely shortstop Rafael Furcal. While Hendry declined to comment on negotiations, The Tribune reports that talks continued Wednesday. Furcal reportedly seeks a five-year deal for around $50 million.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Kenji Jojima	Padres Mets Mariners	Jojima returning to Japan Nov 17 - Kenji Jojima has canceled a meeting with the Mets and is preparing to end his current U.S. trip, the Kyodo News reports. The 29-year-old catcher, who already made a stop in Seattle, was scheduled to visit New York as early as Friday. He now plans to return to Japan to consult with his family and friends.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
B.J. Ryan Orioles	Tigers Mets Blue Jays Yankees?	Ryan Express Nov 17 - B.J. Ryan spent Wednesday night dining with Mets front-office personnel in New York, The New York Post reports. He also met with Tigers GM Dave Dombrowski on Wednesday, according to the Detroit Free Press. Earlier this week, the lefty closer and his agent made a quick stop in Toronto, the Toronto Star reports. GM J.P. Ricciardi said Ryan's visit amounted to "a question-and-answer session" followed by dinner in what will be a multi-city tour for the left-handed closer.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Kevin Mench Rangers	Cubs? Royals	Mench to Cubs? Nov 17 - The Cubs may have some interest in trading for outfielder Kevin Mench, the Daily Southtown reports. Though the Rangers desperately need pitching, the newspaper speculates that Cubs center fielder Corey Patterson might be included in the deal.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Jose Mesa Pirates	Rockies	Rocky Mountain Mesa? Nov 17 - Closer Jose Mesa is moving up on the Rockies' free-agent list, The Denver Post reports. "We do have a heightened interest in Jose Mesa," manager Clint Hurdle told the newspaper. "We are looking for a guy who has experience, who's pitched in big ballgames and has also been a closer. He kind of fits that criteria."
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Tom Gordon Yankees	Mets?	Gone in a Flash? Nov 17 - GM Brian Cashman tells the New York Post that he isn't overly optimistic about being able to re-sign setup man Tom Gordon, who wants a three-year deal and prefers to be a closer. "He's certainly exploring the market," Cashman told the newspaper. "There's a spot for him, but I'm sure other teams will have an interest in him, too. The market's probably going to drive his decision."
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Mike Myers Red Sox	Mets Yankees Athletics Red Sox	Myers taking pitches Nov 17 - The Yankees are among four teams -- the Mets, Red Sox and A's included -- to have expressed interest in lefty relief specialist Mike Myers, the Newark Star-Ledger reports. The Red Sox have presented Myers, 36, with an offer, the Boston Herald reports.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Mike Piazza Mets	Twins	Minny Piazza Nov 17 - The Twins have contacted former All-Star catcher Mike Piazza, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports. Piazza, 37, probably would split time between catcher and DH. "Minnesota called me, and to me there is interest in Mike," Dan Lozano, Piazza's agent, told the newspaper. "Minnesota definitely is a team Mike is willing to listen to. At this point, it's a little bit premature to determine what's going to happen and where Mike's going to end up."
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Bernie Williams Yankees	Yankees?	Later Bernie Nov 17 - Re-signing Bernie Williams is not a top priority for the Yankees. GM Brian Cashman spelled it out for Williams' agent, Scott Boras, The New York Post reports. "I told him, it's for another day," Cashman told the newspaper. "In the event there's a role here for Bernie, it would be a secondary role, not an everyday situation."

[Joey Slugs]

Friday, November 18
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Carlos Delgado Marlins	Orioles? Mariners? Mets?	Mets, O's after Delgado Nov 18 - According to the Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel, the Mets may be beefing up their pursuit of Carlos Delgado with the pending acquisition of Xavier Nady from San Diego. The key to any deal, though, would be the Mets' top pitching prospect, right-hander Yusmiero Petit. The Marlins could also ask for right-hander Aaron Heilman, first baseman Mike Jacobs or infielder Chris Woodward as part of a deal for Delgado. The Newark Star-Ledger reported that Mets GM Omar Minaya has spent a considerable amount of time talking to Florida about Delgado. Any team that would acquire Delgado would likely have to assume the rest of his contract. Delgado is due $13.5 million in 2006, $14.5M in 2007 and $16M in 2008. The Orioles are also suitors for Delgado, although they are undecided whether or not they want to part with a top pitching prospect such as left-hander Adam Loewen or right-hander Hayden Penn, according to the Palm Beach Post.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Esteban Loaiza Nationals	Rangers? Dodgers? Orioles? Phillies? Giants? Royals? Mariners?	Heavy interest in Loaiza Nov 18 - With A.J. Burnett entertaining five-year offers and starting pitching at a premium, Loaiza's representatives are more optimistic that a three-year deal could be forthcoming. Agent John Boggs told ESPN.com Insider Jerry Crasnick that 13 clubs have expressed an interest in Loaiza. "He hasn't received the media attention of the Burnetts or the Millwoods," Boggs said. "But the response we've received from baseball people indicates that he's going to be a hot property." Loaiza's 12-10 record with Washington this season would have been better if he had received more than 3.90 runs per game of support -- 81st among the 93 pitchers listed on the ESPN.com rankings. He threw 217 innings and ranked among the NL leaders with 24 quality starts. But Loaiza's overall numbers also benefited from the spacious dimensions at RFK Stadium. He went 6-4 with a 2.86 ERA at home and 6-6, 4.71 on the road.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
A.J. Burnett Marlins	Cubs? Cardinals? Nationals Mets? Mariners Blue Jays Rangers? Red Sox? Orioles?	No A.J. for Rangers, O's? Nov 18 - The Rangers and the Orioles may bow out of the A.J. Burnett sweepstakes because they are unlikely to match the two five-year deals already on the table, according to the Dallas Morning News and the Baltimore Sun. Burnett, the prize of this winter's free-agent starting pitching market, expects to receive at least two more five-year offers within the next week, his agent, Darek Braunecker, told ESPN.com Insider Jerry Crasnick. While Braunecker declined to identify specific teams in the bidding for Burnett, a baseball source confirmed that the Blue Jays have offered Burnett a five-year deal for about $50 million. Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi couldn't immediately be reached to comment. According to ESPN's Peter Gammons, of Burnett's nine suitors, only the Red Sox have indicated that they will not offer five years. Boston, however, will be given the opportunity to take the average annual value above Burnett's target of $12M. Burnett dined in Florida with the Cardinals on Tuesday and the Nationals on Wednesday.

[OssMan]

Oh man the Nationals signed Marlon Anderson

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by AssMan Oh man the Nationals signed Marlon Anderson

Fuck, our bench took a HUGE hit there. I thought for sure he'd wanna come back and play for Willie

Hopefully we can keep Jacobs if we get Delgado, he'd be a big PH threat, IMO.

That or resign Jose Offerman.

[The Miz]

Expect to see this trade finalized soon:

Texas gets:
SP Josh Beckett
3B Mike Lowell

Florida gets:
3B Hank Blalock
prospect

Texas has the right idea getting rid of their overrated hitters for pitching. They need to trade Soriano as well.

[The Miz]

Jojima will decide by Tuesday whether he goes to Seattle or Fukuoka

[RoXer]

I have a feeling Lowell will bounce back after last year. Even if its a different league.

[BCWWF]

That seems to be a pretty good trade on both sides, although I am kind of surprised that the Marlins would part with Beckett.

[Joey Slugs]

Saturday, November 19
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Josh Beckett Marlins	Rangers?	Beckett going to Texas? Nov 19 - A pair of baseball sources have told the Palm Beach Post that the Marlins are close to dealing right-hander Josh Beckett to the Texas Rangers along with third baseman Mike Lowell for third baseman Hank Blalock and a top pitching prospect. One source told the Post that Marlins owner Jeffrey Loria and Rangers owner Tom Hicks have been brokering the deal over the last few days, but the deal may not happen because Texas is unwilling to part with its pitching prospects, believed to be either left-hander John Danks, the Rangers? first-round pick in 2003, or Thomas Diamond, their first-round pick in 2004. Beckett, the 2003 World Series MVP, is a native of Spring, Texas. He was 15-8 with a 3.38 ERA last season. Blalock turns 25 on Monday, and is coming off a season in which he hit 25 homers with 92 RBI and a .263 batting average.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Billy Wagner Phillies	Mets Phillies	Meeting the Mets Nov 19 - Wagner is eager to make his scheduled visit with the Mets on Monday, according to the New York Post. "We're very excited," Wagner told the Post. "We?ve looked forward to it." Wagner will make the trip with his agent, Bean Stringfellow, and their wives. He will be looking at housing and schools in the area and then head back to his home in Virginia on Tuesday. After meeting at Wagner's Virginia home on Wednesday, the Phillies and Wagner surprisingly agreed to leave their previous offer (two years, with a vesting option that could bring the total to $27 million over three years) on the table, at least for now, ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports. The Mets are in position to outbid the Phillies, and have hinted they're willing to guarantee a fourth season -- something the Phillies are unlikely to do. Stringfellow said Wagner is looking for atleast a three-year deal with a no-trade clause.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Kenji Johjima	Mariners	Mariners or Japan? Nov 19 - The Japanese catcher is reportedly close to an agreement with Seattle, although he could choose to return to Japan and play for the Fukuoka Softbank Hawks, the Seattle Times reported. According to Japanese media outlets, Johjima, 29, will announce his final decision on Tuesday. The Mariners recently increased their offer to Johjima to $6 million a season after initialing offering $4 million a year over two seasons. Fukuoka has reportedly offered him $10 million for one year.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Rafael Furcal Braves	Cubs Mets	Focused on Furcal Nov 19 - The Cubs remain in hot pursuit of Rafael Furcal, although Chipper Jones' reported restructuring of his contract is expected to give the Braves more financial flexibility to perhaps re-sign the shortstop, the Daily Southtown reported. The Braves have until Dec. 7 to sign Furcal or relinquish negotiating rights until May. He is reportedly seeking a five-year contract worth around $50 million. Cubs GM Jim Hendry's "main obsession," writes The Chicago Tribune's Paul Sullivan, is a leadoff hitter, namely Furcal.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Octavio Dotel Athletics		Cards like Dotel Nov 19 - According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, the Cardinals have shown interest Octavio Dotel, who is rehabilitating from ligament-replacement surgery in June. Dotel, 31, is expected to be ready by Opening Day. His agent, Dan Horwits, said the Cardinals have called him regarding Dotel and that Dotel's willingness to be a setup man has attracted more interest. Dotel was Oakland?s closer at the time of his injury last season.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Matt Morris Cardinals	Mariners? Rockies? Royals?	National attention Nov 19 - The right-hander has received a three-year offer from a National League team other than the Cardinals, his agent, Barry Axelrod, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Among NL teams, only the Rockies have reportedly expressed an interest in Morris. With A.J. Burnett most likely out of reach, the Rangers are becoming more serious about Matt Morris, reports the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. Other teams looking at Morris include the Royals, the Rockies and the Mariners, who have apparently already made inquiries about him, according to the Kansas City Star. Morris made $2.5 million in 2005, went 14-10 with a 4.11 ERA with the Cardinals last season.
WHO	INTERESTED	THE SKINNY
Mark Grudzielanek Cardinals	Royals? Mets? Red Sox? Rangers?	Second look Nov 19 - The Rangers are looking at Grudzielanek as a second-base option if they happen to trade Alfonso Soriano, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported. Grudzielanek, 35, has expressed a desire to return to the Cardinals, but he?s also been targeted by Boston, the NY Mets and Kansas City.

[The Miz]

Originally Posted by BCWWF That seems to be a pretty good trade on both sides, although I am kind of surprised that the Marlins would part with Beckett.

How is this trade even close to fair? One of the best pitchers in the NL when healthy and a decent veteran for a .320 OBP guy who put up these numbers away from Arlington this year?

SPLIT	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	BB	HBP	SO	SB	CS	AVG	OBP	SLG	OPS
Away	334	26	77	20	0	5	29	21	1	70	0	0	.231	.276	.335	.611

[Joey Slugs]

Mike Lowell
AGE YEAR TEAM G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI SB CS SO BB HBP SH SF IBB GDP BA OBA SLG
31 2005 FLA-N 150 500 118 36 1 8 56 58 4 0 58 46 2 1 9 1 14 .236 .298 .360

Josh Beckett
AGE YEAR TEAM W L SV ERA G GS TBF IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP IBB WP BK CG SHO
25 2005 FLA-N 15 8 0 3.38 29 29 728 178.7 153 75 67 14 58 166 7 2 5 0 2 1

Hank Blalock
AGE YEAR TEAM G AB H 2B 3B HR R RBI SB CS SO BB HBP SH SF IBB GDP BA OBA SLG
24 2005 TEX-A 161 647 170 34 0 25 80 92 1 0 132 51 3 0 4 1 16 .263 .318 .431

John Danks
PECOTA Profile

Personally, I think the trade does work for both teams. Especially under the topic of "What have you done for me lately?". Danks & Diamond have huge upside and I can understand why they would stall the trade to keep them in Texas.

I wouldn't be suprised to see the Rangers front office getting involved in trying to sign Loazia & Morris, with a package including Soriano out there to make a trade for another starter/second base option (if both FAs fall away from them).

[VonErich Lives]

also keep in mind most good NL pitchers become average in the AL.

[Evil Vito]

Some caller on WFAN today proposed that the Mets trade for Delgado and then send him to Boston for Manny......that guy's pretty retarded, IMO. Boston would never do that deal, as Delgado's only making about $4 million less than Manny next year (I think....not positive though)

Also, it would leave the Mets with Xavier Nady as an everyday 1B who sucks against RHP

Hopefully it was just that guy's suggestion, and isn't being discussed by Mets management

[Joey Slugs]

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives also keep in mind most good NL pitchers become average in the AL.

There are always exeptions to that thought. Look at Randy Johnson's stats for his last year with a NL team to his first year with an AL team. (I know you really can't compare RJ with most good NL pitchers, he was just the guy I thought of that has switched leagues twice. Just for the sake of stats)


AGE YEAR TEAM W L SV ERA G GS TBF IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP IBB WP BK CG SHO
25 1989 MON-N 0 4 0 6.67 7 6 143 29.7 29 25 22 2 26 26 0 1 2 2 0 0
25 1989 SEA-A 7 9 0 4.40 22 22 572 131.0 118 75 64 11 70 104 3 1 5 5 2 0

40 2004 ARI-N 16 14 0 2.60 35 35 964 245.7 177 88 71 18 44 290 10 1 3 1 4 2
41 2005 NY_-A 17 8 0 3.79 34 34 920 225.7 207 102 95 32 47 211 12 2 3 1 4 0

[Joey Slugs]

When you look at Cameron & Nady's Translated Batting Statistics the trade looks even more equal for both sides.

Xavier Nady

AGE YEAR TEAM AB H 2B 3B HR BB HBP SO SB CS OUT RUN RBI BA OBA SA UEQR EQA EQR
26 2005 SD_-N 314 85 15 2 14 22 6 65 2 1 231 41 44 .271 .330 .465 41 .270 44


Mike Cameron

AGE YEAR TEAM AB H 2B 3B HR BB HBP SO SB CS OUT RUN RBI BA OBA SA UEQR EQA EQR
32 2005 NY_-N 300 81 22 2 13 29 3 82 16 1 222 48 40 .270 .341 .487 48 .285 48

[OssMan]

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 Some caller on WFAN today proposed that the Mets trade for Delgado and then send him to Boston for Manny......that guy's pretty retarded, IMO. Boston would never do that deal, as Delgado's only making about $4 million less than Manny next year (I think....not positive though) Also, it would leave the Mets with Xavier Nady as an everyday 1B who sucks against RHP

It also leaves them with Mike Jacobs.

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by AssMan It also leaves them with Mike Jacobs.

Jacobs would be involved in the acquiring of Delgado, so the Mets would basically be exchanging a first baseman with potential for a sure-thing outfielder

[OssMan]

why would we get rid of Mike Jacobs, who if he continued his trend would hit 40+ HRs in a season, for a first baseman who will do less and is on the edge of his career