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Old 02-24-2015, 08:21 AM   #321
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The WWE doesn't seem to be too into making money recently, XL. Brock chasing a heel Roman would make too much.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:22 AM   #322
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Seriously, wtf did they do to Orton last night? How is his masterclass in revenge meant to mean anything if he is willing to sit on that rage and work with Rollins again? Is he actually going to go "Nah jokes -- I really hate you" the week before WrestleMania?
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:24 AM   #323
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Curtis Axel has a more clear WrestleMania program than Daniel Bryan.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:29 AM   #324
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Lol, R-Truth is actually sort of in a program with Dean Ambrose at the moment. Not knocking Truth -- he's a solid talent and kind of represents what the WWE is looking for in its Superstars -- but it just feels weird.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:38 AM   #325
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I watched Fastlane with a friend that had never really watched before, and she pointed out that it was weird Orton returned wearing his speedos. But she found him to be the best dressed in the 6-Man.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:46 AM   #326
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I want Curtis Axel to #OccupyRAW next week, and have like two fat guys and his sister start chanting "AXE!" and pointing to the sky in the ring.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:47 AM   #327
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They have fucked Emma. Like really bad. How can a girl that good be booked so badly in the division where basically everybody gets a turn?
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:49 AM   #328
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John Cena should win a tournament to become the #1 Contender for the US Title, and prove himself once again, much to Lana and Rusev's chagrin. But would the WWE be able to make everybody else in the tournament look good in losing? Probably not. But the tensions built there could be used to sell the Battle Royal too. Ryback vs. Cena would be a pretty good final.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:49 AM   #329
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Because she stole stuff from WallyWorld or something.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:51 AM   #330
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She's an Australian. You can't fault us for being convicts.
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Old 02-24-2015, 08:51 AM   #331
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She looks appealing when she wears little clothes and she can wrestle. She's fine as a Diva.
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:52 AM   #332
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Did I really just read that Ryback is being in the battle royal? What the fudging hell. How does Rowan and Ryback not beat Big Show and Kane in a tag team match. Why the hell!
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#GiveTruthaChance never trended, but #GiveDivasaChance did
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Old 02-24-2015, 09:53 AM   #334
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Noid's faith in WWE seems to be waning. Who can blame him when "R-Truth is seemingly in a Mania programme with Dean Ambrose" is a reality.
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To be honest, given how it was all being booked, I figured that it would be Ziggler & Ryback against Kane & Show...except there is just far more important stuff for the card ahead of it.
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:06 AM   #336
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R-Truth's a solid talent and all, and he did make a crazily entertaining heel back in 2011; but what was wrong with the Ambrose vs. Barrett story? Oh, that's right -- the WWE basically fudged it at Fastlane.

More and more it feels like what I want to see is just not being offered by the WWE. I've stopped watching RAW and SmackDown regularly. A lot of that has to do with how a lot of the talent I have been interested in have been portrayed over the past few months. Dean Ambrose, Cesaro and Daniel Bryan in particular.

* Dean Ambrose went from the cool and slightly eccentric coordinator of The Shield, to the cool renegade who used whatever fear he had of consequence as a fuel source to keep fighting, to becoming a guy who seemingly forgets the rules of matches these days. Wouldn't it be okay for the WWE to reward the fans of Dean Ambrose, that they want him to have, by tossing him a bone here or there. Couldn't Ambrose have gotten a victory over Rollins in Hell in a Cell, if it truly was meant to be their last encounter, and then have Bray Wyatt attack him? Couldn't Ambrose have won either the TLC Match, the Ambulance Match or both against Bray Wyatt? As a bad guy, can't Wyatt laugh the match off and actually be somehow scarier? Can't Ambrose have a decent run in the Royal Rumble where he actually stands out? Or can't he win the Intercontinental Title when he's been made the clear contender for it?

* The decision to put Cesaro with Paul Heyman was not a bad one. Every other decision surrounding the booking of Cesaro since then has been. Loss after loss. What good is it having a guy win the largest match in WrestleMania history if he can't beat any of those other 30 guys in straight matches over the next year? The guy should be facing John Cena at WrestleMania this year, or something. I'm glad to see him and Tyson Kidd excelling at the tag team thing, but Cesaro should really by higher.

* Daniel Bryan should have won the 2015 Royal Rumble and should be challenging Brock Lesnar for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at WrestleMania this year. It's that simple.

There's still a lot of good in the WWE. I think Seth Rollins is one of the better characters the WWE has ever had, and I think there are a few who could be up there with him -- Cody Rhodes being one, but he's stuck in face-paint hissing at people and losing all the time. Paige is fucking gorgeous, and she's actually getting good at being able to shine no matter what shit the WWE saddles her with. She made that inexplicable face turn look like a piece of cake. The actual wrestling is good, when it happens. The stories are just weak and paper-thin. A real fucking shame.
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:07 AM   #337
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I sound so negative. Sorry, guys. I'm hoping something really awesome happens to kick things into WrestleMania gear.
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:10 AM   #338
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#GiveTruthaChance never trended, but #GiveDivasaChance did
I'm researching that now, and it appears what you say has validity to it. I remember "#TagTitles" trending too. Is that also just bullshit? Does the WWE just make up what they want to appear to be trending?
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:12 AM   #339
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Oh, and Paul Heyman is brilliant. It's just a shame he's only really creatively involved in stuff he's directly working in. I say that because Heyman would have a lot of ideas that could be tapped, but also because the programs he has been involved in have often been repetitive fair with guys who have rich and established histories. Some of the most exciting stuff this year has been Heyman and Seth Rollins mixing it up on the mic, because they don't normally interact.

Imagine the ways Heyman could put over a guy like Dean Ambrose as a threat to him, or Paige as a threat to a female client he had. Money.
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Old 02-24-2015, 10:15 AM   #340
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I'm just thinking about how much money a Ronda Rousey vs. Paige match could be if given the NXT serious treatment. The thing is, Ronda Rousey has actually been open about being willing to work for the WWE.
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So I've had a night to digest my live experience last night, and I'm just as annoyed about it today as I was last night. Yes, the live show is more fun than watching it on TV, but when nothing happens, it's every bit as frustrating. The Dolph/BNB match was fun, as was the tag title match. Heyman's promo was, expectedly, great. The video packages were well done.

But with five weeks until WrestleMania and the only story development we got was names for the battle royal? Maybe something happened with the IC scene, but nobody in the audience knew why R-Truth was there, and no explanation was given. No Wyatt live in the arena until the dark match, no Lesnar or Taker at all. A Sheamus highlight package during the PTP entrance, followed by the bait-and-switch of the Ascension coming out to lose. And don't get me started on the Orton/Rollins and Cena/Rusev nonsense.

I said going in that it would take a lot to bring me back into the Universe (I've watched one PPV, one Raw and one SD (both the edited Hulu versions) since the '13 Slammies). Those needs were not met last night, and my days of watching WWE are officially done.

Thank god for NXT and my tapes.
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NXT and the back catalog are the only things keeping me a proper wrestling fan. During Raw last night I had it on in the background while I focused most of my attention on my EWR game and watching a couple of Nitros.

I tune in for the PPVs because they're part of the network, but the TV is completely skippable nowadays.
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According to PWI Undertaker won't be showing up until WM. Bray Wyatt will be solely responsible for building the match up on his own.
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Seriously, wtf did they do to Orton last night? How is his masterclass in revenge meant to mean anything if he is willing to sit on that rage and work with Rollins again? Is he actually going to go "Nah jokes -- I really hate you" the week before WrestleMania?
I'm guessing they're going with the story of him actually TRYING to get along with Rollins before finally snapping. Which is fucking stupid. The guy had his skull stomped until he was concussed and had to miss 4 months of his career and he comes back trying to make things work. I feel like they've done similar things somewhat recently with guys who made this big face turn and then the next week, instead of carrying on with the momentum they started to build from it, they say "Oh, no. Maybe he's NOT a face yet..." It's horrible.

Not to mention what a pussy Orton looks like for being cool with the guys who tried to murder him as opposed to immediately looking for blood. That's not the kind of guy people wanna root for.
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Yea I was hoping for a RKO fest. Orton is the best when he has no allies and just hears the voices.
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According to PWI Undertaker won't be showing up until WM. Bray Wyatt will be solely responsible for building the match up on his own.
Absolutely ridiculous, if true. Here people are complaining about silent Sting and this makes it look like a heated debate.
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According to PWI Undertaker won't be showing up until WM. Bray Wyatt will be solely responsible for building the match up on his own.
Seems like a no win situation for Bray in the end. He's having to do all the work but the reward won't be anywhere as good in the end.

If he loses, character is in worse shape that last year's Mania and all the build up was just to feed Taker's status who's going to disappear again. Ambrose also takes a hit since he was the one who was fed the most to build up Bray.

If he wins, no real payoff unless Taker actually retires for Bray to get a "streak killing" type rub. Taker doing the annual hibernation doesn't really help Bray considering the tone of Bray's promos.
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Had a feeling it would go this way.

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I'm guessing they're going with the story of him actually TRYING to get along with Rollins before finally snapping. Which is fucking stupid. The guy had his skull stomped until he was concussed and had to miss 4 months of his career and he comes back trying to make things work. I feel like they've done similar things somewhat recently with guys who made this big face turn and then the next week, instead of carrying on with the momentum they started to build from it, they say "Oh, no. Maybe he's NOT a face yet..." It's horrible.

Not to mention what a pussy Orton looks like for being cool with the guys who tried to murder him as opposed to immediately looking for blood. That's not the kind of guy people wanna root for.
Was waiting for some kind of triggered pulled all night. Thought for sure it was gonna come when he got Seth alone in the locker room.
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According to PWI Undertaker won't be showing up until WM. Bray Wyatt will be solely responsible for building the match up on his own.
Great move imo. Gives Taker more time to get in shape and get ready for Mania.
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Seems like a no win situation for Bray in the end. He's having to do all the work but the reward won't be anywhere as good in the end.

If he loses, character is in worse shape that last year's Mania and all the build up was just to feed Taker's status who's going to disappear again. Ambrose also takes a hit since he was the one who was fed the most to build up Bray.

If he wins, no real payoff unless Taker actually retires for Bray to get a "streak killing" type rub. Taker doing the annual hibernation doesn't really help Bray considering the tone of Bray's promos.
The tone of promos has lead me to believe that this is/was set to be a retirement match for the Undertaker as it would be stupid as you said to have Wyatt lose at two consecutive Manias as it doesn't help build his character, whereas two consecutive losses for the Undertaker would consolidate his retirement. Some say he would never retire on a loss but Flair did right?
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I'm guessing they're going with the story of him actually TRYING to get along with Rollins before finally snapping. Which is fucking stupid. The guy had his skull stomped until he was concussed and had to miss 4 months of his career and he comes back trying to make things work. I feel like they've done similar things somewhat recently with guys who made this big face turn and then the next week, instead of carrying on with the momentum they started to build from it, they say "Oh, no. Maybe he's NOT a face yet..." It's horrible.

Not to mention what a pussy Orton looks like for being cool with the guys who tried to murder him as opposed to immediately looking for blood. That's not the kind of guy people wanna root for.
This seems about right, and it is fucking bullshit. Orton comes back and wants blood. The announcers should have treated it like a ghost had walked into the arena. They thought his career was ended at the hands of Seth Rollins and The Authority, but now he's back!

It makes sense for The Authority to try and win back Orton. He's a mega-star. Sell that valuable nature to Orton, by all means. Orton should have told them to go fuck themselves, or used the business meeting to exploit The Authority and set up Seth Rollins. But to actually act like "Nah, it's cool, I can forget about that" in regards to the attack? What the actual fuck.

When he does snap, it's going to feel real soft. Yes, Orton is a survivor and has teamed with enemies for the sake of his career before. But The Authority tried to rob him of that career. That little detail has now been washed away. A fucking waste.
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Orton just no-sold his own hatred.
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I'm on board with the people who are pretty much exclusively really into NXT these days.
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I don't want to be exclusively into NXT, but they aren't giving us much to work with here.
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What std said. The booking quality of the shows are so different it's almost hard to believe both are ran by the same company.

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Two things I forgot to mention:

1) Natalya was hurting bad after the tag title match. That bump she took off the apron was nasty live.

2) Big Show looks rough. He's still a bump machine for a guy his size, but he was the last one out of the ring each time the Authority came out. He stepped between the ropes instead of over them. He walked really gingerly down the steps each time, too. Weirdest part, though, after the dark main event, he was the last man in the ring. His team lost, but after everybody else had left, they played his music. It was like it was his farewell moment or something.
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Wow, that is weird. It wouldn't surprise me if Big Show is on his way out. If that's the case, I could see him winning the Andre the Giant Battle Royal and then retiring.
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