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And that explains why you're such a vapid cunt.
"You see there are other ways to make soft drink..." "BUT IT'S NOT COKE!" "For what you're looking for, you might need this sort of shoe..." "BUT IT'S NOT NIKE!" "For a chilled out get together? You might want to play this sort of music..." "IT'S NOT ON THE TOP OF THE CHARTS!" "Hey dude, have you seen this movie..." "IT'S NOT DIRECTED BY MICHAEL BAY!" If you're not trolling, I feel sorry for you, because not only would that make you ignorant, but boring as well. Honestly, dude, get a little flavor in your life. Try new things and accept that the most successful thing isn't always the best. |
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My apologies for not being hipster enough for you Noid. Nothing funnier than someone getting angry at someone because they don't hate something. I forgot this is the group of fans who get together to talk about how much everything sucks.
Of course there are millions of different ways to do things, but the successful ways stand the test of time. Coke in soft drinks, Nike in shoes, WWE in sports entertainment. The IWC tries to pretend they know how to do sports entertainment better than the guy who had been dominating the industry for 30 years plus. |
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I was the guy around these parts for YEARS who tried to look at the glass half-full. You get exhausted, man. You get exhausted and you cannot deny that it sucks anymore. How dare people identify what entertains them and what bores them? How hilarious those fools. Next I bet they'll choose what sort of music to listen to and what sort of movies to watch. HA! We all know there is only one answer. Of course the IWC doesn't have the full scope of business operations in WWE. No one really claims to have that. But we can certainly express our opinions as fans, and as people who know what we like to see from our forms of entertainment. And you know what? A lot of what I read on the internet would be preferable to what you often get from WWE. Not all of it, but a lot. This idea that there is only one person with the golden goose of ideas when it comes to "sports entertainment" is ridiculous, and even more so when you extent it to professional wrestling. |
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RIP SABU
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TBF, the NFL on FOX dancing Robot is fucking awesome.
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RIP SABU
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TBF, though, he does still look stupid, title or no title.
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What does TBF mean?
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To be fair
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The entertainment industry, which WWE regards itself to be in, does not generally equate the most popular to being the "best". For examples of this in real life, feel free to read this Wikipedia entry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_DiCaprio The "best", being a subjective term and "most successful" only correlate in competitive business where the only factor is sales. Is business entertaining? Trends point to no, as shown by this totally relevant graph. ![]() You are arguing that WWE does the best business, which is true, however you are passing this off as proof that WWE is the most entertaining. Numbers are not considered entertainment to most people, with less than 15% of audiences reacting positively to numbers, while in some cases statisticians struggle to figure out of the numbers are being laughed at or laughed with. Is James Cameron's Avatar the most entertaining cinematic release of all time? Is an episode of shoddily acted TV Soap "EastEnders" from 1986 the best thing ever shown on British television? Does having more reputation points than somebody make you an unquestionably better poster? Is the oxygen tastier on the peak of Mount Everest? |
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Better comparison would be a popular TV show. I watched The Big Bang Theory for 5 minutes one time and thought it was God awful. So I never watched it again. A lot of people do watch it though, week after week. So it must carry some appeal to the general masses. In that case, I kinda toss out my own opinion as irrelevant if so many people like the show. With sports entertainment, I just don't see how the argument can be made that any other group is close. Sure, some other groups might do some interesting things, but if they were so great, other people would notice, and keep watching. Lots of companies have had the same opportunity WWE did, but they all were less successful. The collective masses must see those products as inferior, otherwise you would see growth, but you don't. |
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Grim Fandango
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Nobody is denying WWE is the business leader, but does that automatically make them the "best"? You even said yourself you don't watch anything else in the genre so how is it possible for you to even form that opinion? WWE is the "best" wrestling you know because WWE is the only wrestling you know and you seem unwilling to even give anything else a shot. |
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I have watched other groups in the past. I watched WCW and always feltv they were inferior to WWE, even in the heyday of the NWO. i tried TNA, but they were low rent. ROH is a clusterf. Japanese wrestling is impossible to watch. But how far do I take it? Should I watch some kid's backyard fed because it 'might' be good? My feeling is talent rises to the top. If these groups were worth investing time in, they would gain popularity, and get on my radar. But none ever have. I don't begrudge someone for enjoying those products, I just don't want to be one of those people sitting around watching something and saying I hate this week after week. |
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Please explain what makes ROH a clusterfuck because I don't see it. ROH spaces out their talent and never over expoeses anyone. They are booked great and have a great roster. As for Japan, NJPW is white hot right now and is very entertaining, what's impossible to watch about it? Lucha Underground is great as well you should check out their 2nd season.
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Those exact reasons you cite for sticking with WWE are true for those exact same people who complain that the product sucks, they've tried looking elsewhere for their wrestling fix and in their eyes nothing is up to scratch. WWE is the brand they used to like, so they hold on to the hope that this week things will be better. It's human nature. |
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Hey Mister!
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Wow
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Hey Mister!
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The Cynick, ladies and gentlemen.
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So which organization is currently the best at sports entertainment?
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I watched probably a total of 1 hour of ROH, it was pretty awful. To say he wwe isnt the best is rediculous. Unless Japanese or Mexican wrestling is your thing, you cannot possibly think WWE is not where the best go. Saying some indy fed is the best is like saying some AAA baseball team is the best team in the world.
WWE has a lot of shitty qualities but it is still miles above the rest. |
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WWE just has the stars if you switched the WWE stars with the ROH stars would you still watch WWE or ROH?
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Stickman
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all the stars are in the E so it's a moot point. The E without the stars is not the E
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WWE would have the same writers.
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If you switched out WWE's writing with pretty much any wrestling company's writing, WWE improves dramatically while the other company goes out of business almost immediately.
WWE has been resting on its reputation while slowly dragging wrestling down with it over the past 15 years. It's not like they took WCW's audience and continued to bring wrestling fans in. Less people care about wrestling now. Maybe than ever before. Which makes it nearly impossible for a new company to find success. Meanwhile WWE has been able to get by appealing to kids who watch for violence, big explosions and bright lights. Who needs coherent writing? |
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Though as the ratings start to reach lolTNA peak levels, one can only hope that they might realize that actually trying from a writing standpoint won't alienate 9 year olds and might even draw in tons of new fans who prefer shit that doesn't come off as phoned in every week.
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RIP SABU
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Ultra Mantis and #1-wwf-fan just killed Great posts there.
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Even if the WWE aimed its product at children, it still shows an inability to understand what really appeals to that younger demographic. Vince has also gone on record with statements that prove he doesn't understand the new "millennial" generation. He can't actually grasp that the stereotypes he believes about them are contradicted by actual evidence and such. The WWE is taking aim at groups it doesn't have a handle on.
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He understands how to market and appeal to them as evidence by having a top 5 VOD product. Thats where the young people are. He gets that. |
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Except the "lack of drive" thing is an incorrect perception -- one held by an out of touch old man.
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I would take Vince's word. He works with these people day in and day out, and would have past generations to compare to. But I know, I know, you read somewhere that he's out of touch, so you ahve to repeat it. Its cool. |
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I catch some ROH here and there. I hate myself for saying this, but I actually find a bunch of the work to kind of be sloppy. Like it just doesn't flow. But maybe that's just cuz it's more about the moves than telling a fluid story. Mind you I've only seen a small sample size.
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I get that, a lot of their matches are fast paced and can be hard to keep up with. I enjoy it because its something different. The faster pace leads to some sloppiness but a lot of times I find my self amazed at how they pull some of it off so fast.
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I think a lot of the time the wrestlers don't seem to be able to keep up with it. I love fast paced stuff too, but to me it just seems like a bunch of stuff happening with no rhyme or reason.
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Oh I know, unlike CyNick I can understand how some people might not enjoy the same thing as me.
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I've never once told people they should like the current product. On the other hand I've had people insult me for saying Im enjoying the current product. |
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Is BJ Whitmer considered to be good?
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