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Old 04-14-2004, 01:57 AM   #1
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Music today sucks. I'm sorry, but it does. In fact, most music isn't even music. It's made on a computer. I dont think 50 cent, Christina Aguilera etc is music, it's trash. It's using a gimmick to sell.
I find it ironic that most pop/r&b artists do something controversial just when there latest album is about to be released:
Example 1: Janet Jackson. Unless I am mistaken she has recently released her new single, and a new album? Just two months ago she controversially exposed her breast at the Superbowl, causing all the media to pay attention to her, thus advertising her new stuff. Coincidence that her new record was set to come out?
Example 2: Britney Spears. Just about a month before releasing her new record, she shared a kiss with Madonna which was the talk of the town, and the media. Coincidence that her new record was set to come out?
Example 3: Christina Aguilera. Went through a controversial image change claiming "she wasn't being herself" in her previous album. Funny how then being a innocent popstar was the trend back then and now its dirty skank. In my opinion it's not being herself, she's just conforming to the latest trends.
Just think of a little preppy kid: "Oh my god! I've heard about what happened with him/her. I wonder what the cd is like!"
Bands like the Foo Fighters and Muse aren't conforming to what's popular because they truly love there music, and want to sell the music and not themselves.
How can people like Justin Timberlake and Avril Lavigne call themselves musicians when they don't even write their own songs (Avril only contributes slightly to her songs, she sits down with a guitarist), which leads to my next opinion.
Why in the world do we call these people talented. They dont write their own music. They only sing! Okay, you might say "Yeh man the voice is an instrument". Yeh, you could be right but if they have such good voices why on all their records do they need to be computerised with voice enhancers? Listen to Britney's Toxic. What the hell is that? These people sound ridiculous live when they actually do sing (a lot of them just lip sync and just do their dancing moves).
And when popstars write there own lyrics, I laugh my head off. Seriously, Jamelia's Superstar: "People always talk about eh oh eh oh eh oh". That eh oh bit is a cheap excuse for not finding a lyric to fit there. Man, that lyric is so deep!!!
I'm sick of people selling their sexuality and stuff and not their music!!!
Mock me all you want if you don't agree.
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Old 04-14-2004, 02:04 AM   #2
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How can people like Justin Timberlake and Avril Lavigne call themselves musicians when they don't even write their own songs (Avril only contributes slightly to her songs, she sits down with a guitarist), which leads to my next opinion.
At least KNOW what the fuck you're talking about before you start shooting your mouth off okay? Justin Timberlake doesn't write his own music...okay...that's why he gets sole writing credit for EVERY SINGLE song on his CD.
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Old 04-14-2004, 03:17 AM   #3
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Yeah, you're off base on the song writing part, although there are a lot of them who don't.

Anyway, you aren't the first to rant like this, and you certainly won't be the last. My advice: turn off your radio, browse indie label websites, download Soulseek and then support your favorite bands.
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If you think music today sucks, you're looking in all the wrong places.
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Old 04-14-2004, 07:55 AM   #5
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Old 04-14-2004, 08:41 AM   #6
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At least KNOW what the fuck you're talking about before you start shooting your mouth off okay? Justin Timberlake doesn't write his own music...okay...that's why he gets sole writing credit for EVERY SINGLE song on his CD.
ghostwriters, david !!

I'm willing to bet that just about nothing justin timberlake has supposedly "written" is his own. I'm willing to bet it's more likely the label paying off a songwriter to come up with this shit, while justin sits in his room turning the vice on his balls tighter and tighter.

If he actually had any talent, I'd like to believe he'd have skipped the whole shitty boyband route first.
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Old 04-14-2004, 09:17 AM   #7
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If you think music today sucks, you're looking in all the wrong places.
Amen.

Entire genres don't ever begin to suck because there are always people who can do it well. I really get fed up when people say "Oh today the music scene is in a terrible state". Shut the **** up and load up SoulSeek you blind moron.
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Old 04-14-2004, 11:37 AM   #8
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ghostwriters, david !!

I'm willing to bet that just about nothing justin timberlake has supposedly "written" is his own. I'm willing to bet it's more likely the label paying off a songwriter to come up with this shit, while justin sits in his room turning the vice on his balls tighter and tighter.

If he actually had any talent, I'd like to believe he'd have skipped the whole shitty boyband route first.


Yeah, and every song on Prince's albums is attributed to him.

Even his "Every Day Is A Winding Road" cover.

Vanilla Ice tried to say he wrote songs like "Ice Ice Baby" that included music and hooks such as "Under Pressure," "Play that Funky Music," and so on.

Look at Inner Circle's "Imagine," Which I think the Lennon Estate might attribute to John, but which they take credit for.

Just because you take credit on the liner notes doesn't mean you're not a plagarist, a thief, a liar, or have a ghost writer.

It works for Limp Bizkit...
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Old 04-14-2004, 11:40 AM   #9
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If you think music today sucks, you're looking in all the wrong places.
Amen!

Oh boohoohoo! pop sucks!



You know what? I hate pop. You know what I do? I don't turn on MTV or VH-1. I don't listen to pop radio. I invest in the local music scene. I use P2P to find good bands worth shelling out money for.

If the only people you can mention come from MTV, no wonder you think music sucks.
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Seriously though, if anyone thinks timberlake writes his own shit, what with all the dance routines/TV award show/guest appearances things he does, along with a full touring schedule and macking whoever the fuck he macks at the time, you need a lobotomy
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Seriously though, if anyone thinks timberlake writes his own shit, what with all the dance routines/TV award show/guest appearances things he does, along with a full touring schedule and macking whoever the fuck he macks at the time, you need a lobotomy
Well if you believe his album credits, a large chunk of the stuff on there was written by the Neptunes...
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Seriously though, if anyone thinks timberlake writes his own shit, what with all the dance routines/TV award show/guest appearances things he does, along with a full touring schedule and macking whoever the fuck he macks at the time, you need've had a lobotomy
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Old 04-14-2004, 04:41 PM   #13
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Exodus, Attacker, Heathen, and Death Angel have released killer return records this year.

Annihilator, Nuclear Assault, Vio-lence, Megadeth, Testament, Hirax, Venom, Blistered Earth, WatchTower, Dark Angel, and Kreator will tour this year, and/or they have released, or are expected to release, new albums this year.
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Old 04-14-2004, 04:46 PM   #14
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Old 04-14-2004, 05:50 PM   #15
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I see what Hawk means about artist conforming to the current trends. I thought it was bad when Christina Aguilera done it because I didn't think her earlier stuff was half bad compared to her current stuff. The worst example I've seen of artist changing their image is Jewel. Man I use to love to listen to that chick sing. She wrote her own songs and many of them came from poems that she has written. But now she's trying to be all Beyonce-like and popish. I thought she looked just fine before she changed herself to blend with the pop scene or to get more publicity or whatever. Jewel was a beautiful singer with an awesome voice but now she's pretty bad, especially that damn song "Intuition". Ugh. Blah!
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Big deal. So she wants to make money.
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Listen to what you like. If you like Justin Timberlake, good for you. If you like a band that only 5000 (maybe less) people know of like Zebrahead, then enjoy the music.
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You truly are an exceptional poster there pal.
Can you really blame people for wanting some exposure, or some more money from their work?
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No, I don't blame anybody at all for wanting more money or exposure. BUt I don't think someone should go against everything they previously believed in in order to get more money or publicity. I think a person should be themselves because that sells more records than anything else. Alot of people can tell when an artist is being fake and not being who they really are. Jewel is a good example of this. Just watch the "Intuition" video and look how out of place she looks. She's always had plenty of exposure. Hell she had just released "Am I Standing Still" a month or 2 before completely changing her image. I remember after the Christina Aguilera metamorphosis I thought to myself; no matter who changes there image for more "popstar" publicity, I knew Jewel would always keep it real. Boy was I wrong. What made Jewel entertaining was the fact that her music was entertaining to all age group. Now her music ("Intuition" for example) caters mainly to the same audience as Spears, Aguilera, Timberlake, Carter, etc. etc. All I'm saying is I never thought Jewel would be one to try to change who she is just to be more "pop-like". Regardless of publicity and money, Jewel was too good of an artist to completely change everything about her as an artist. Songs like "You Were Meant For Me" and "Foolish Games" were beautiful songs and now her single is played most in a women's shaver commerical. That just plain sucks. But it just goes to show that some people will do anything for publicity whether it be positive or negative. As long as they get it.
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Seriously though, if anyone thinks timberlake writes his own shit, what with all the dance routines/TV award show/guest appearances things he does, along with a full touring schedule and macking whoever the fuck he macks at the time, you need a lobotomy
Does he even come up with his own dance routines?
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Do you know what a paragraph is, Reckless One?

Dude do you not have anything better to do than to nitpick about everyone's posts? You must be really bored to have to go around double checking everyone's grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. Hell somebody make El Freg a moderator that way he can go through every ****ing post on TPWW and correct every sinlge minor mistake he's smart little mind can find. Cause he's a special kid.
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Does he even come up with his own dance routines?
no, but he seems to have enough trouble walking and talking at the same time. Dancing and "singing..."
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Dude do you not have anything better to do than to nitpick about everyone's posts? You must be really bored to have to go around double checking everyone's grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. Hell somebody make El Freg a moderator that way he can go through every ****ing post on TPWW and correct every sinlge minor mistake he's smart little mind can find. Cause he's a special kid.
Jesus, lighten up a little. Your post is fucking unreadable.
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Oh, and where did Jewel go against what she had previously believed in?

Isn't that a pretty big assumption because she's not playing music you like anymore?
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Jesus, lighten up a little. Your post is fucking unreadable.

Well since you're the fucking know-it-all (who never shuts up) on TPWW what makes my post sooo unreadable. The fact that I didn't break my post up into conveinent paragraphs just to please people like you and El Freg who thinks that just because they've been around awhile that they can be complete dicks for no apparent reason whatever. That's screwed up so I say: FUCK YOU BOTH. Assholes. Eat Shlt and Get Raped By Donkeys, you lame bltches.
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Wow. You're a very sad individual.
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Old 04-14-2004, 07:28 PM   #29
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Oh, and where did Jewel go against what she had previously believed in?

Isn't that a pretty big assumption because she's not playing music you like anymore?
Is that all you can do in your posts, just question other people'e posts and what THEY have to say about something? Hell everybody's got their own opinions. All i'm saying is Jewel completely changed her whole persona to gain more publicity. Why the Hell are you making such a big deal out of what I said about it. Do you not have anything intellgent to say on your own? Why make an issue about someone else's comments? I mean hell, Wh.........Ugh, forget it. I give up. Whatever, man.
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Old 04-14-2004, 07:29 PM   #30
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Wow. You're a very sad individual.
Sure, hotshot, whatever you say.
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Old 04-14-2004, 07:31 PM   #31
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You're doing the typical moron "OMG JEWEL SOLED OUT!" routine.

Obviously, you lack faith in your own argument, because you have to pad it with things you couldn't possibly know (like whether or not she's gone back on her previous beliefs) to try and make it sound more impressive.

I'm not a fan of her new direction, but you do your own argument a disservice by making shit up and blowing things out of proportion. Take the flagpole out of your ass.
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Old 04-14-2004, 07:32 PM   #32
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Sure, hotshot, whatever you say.
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Old 04-14-2004, 07:44 PM   #33
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Dude, Must you be so fucking judgemental? Who are you to judge everyone and their opinions? Just because you got a HUGE post count from being a posting whore doesn't mean you can just be a dickhead to those who posts aren't that high. Hell I'm not hard to get along with. I just post my thoughts and opinions on shit. You insulted me and I got defensive and you just keep the shit going. I could careless if you like what I have to say or not. I thought this was a decent thread so I posted in it then you had to go and fuck the whole thing up. Why? Because apparently you enjoying acting like a prick maybe you're trying to impress somebody or trying to be funny I dunno and I could careless. But man you can just chill the Hell out. Just fucking drop it and let it die and let's get back to posting instead of continuing this ridiculous flame war. Because frankly you're killin' the Hell oughta my buzz.
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Old 04-14-2004, 07:49 PM   #34
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Didn't you just pass judgement on Jewel with FAR less to go on?

God, you're a hypocrite and a moron. But you're good for a laugh, at least.
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I see? You wanna continue. Why am I not surprised? Ok, man, keep going. I'm done. Carry on, genius, carry on.
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Listen to what you like. If you like Justin Timberlake, good for you. If you like a band that only 500 (or less) people know of like Zebrahead, then enjoy the music.
Don't be stupid. Zebrahead supported Reel Big Fish not long ago in the UK, so way more than 500 people know who they are. Even most of the obscure bands I like have at least managed to sell in the thousands rather than hundreds...
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I see? You wanna continue. Why am I not surprised? Ok, man, keep going. I'm done. Carry on, genius, carry on.
And you were so big and dropped it yourself.

Quite frankly, I didn't read that far down your post. If you can't make your posts presentable, don't get bitchy when people don't read them.
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who's the dipshit who said only 500 know who zebrahead are
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Let's not get into who said what to who, or who killed whose family with what, or where they hid the bodies...

This is supposed to be about one thing...

Tampons are not supposed to be put there.
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Dude do you not have anything better to do than to nitpick about everyone's posts? You must be really bored to have to go around double checking everyone's grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. Hell somebody make El Freg a moderator that way he can go through every ****ing post on TPWW and correct every sinlge minor mistake he's smart little mind can find. Cause he's a special kid.
It was a joke, man.
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