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Old 12-05-2010, 09:42 AM   #1
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The worst wrestler that is most largely accepted?
This is a topic that I'm sure has been done, but cannot remember personally, and am curious to hear insight on. Which wrestler do you believe is the most beloved by us, critically, but is actually not that good. I guess it's similar to being "overrated," but I'm looking more for guys who are rated fairly, but we still love them anyway.

The first who comes to mind, for me anyway, although I'm not sure they are the best example, is Kevin Nash. Sure, you have some who say he sucks, and will stand by that; but for all his success in the business, and his limitations in the ring, he brings with him the guilty pleasure of just being entertaining to listen to talking. Plus his size definitely works in his favour of being a credible main event, despite not being a technical wonder.

Another guy is perhaps Kane. I'm a Kane mark, personally, and he does have some enjoyable matches. Right now, he is doing some of the best work of his career, and is being rewarded and justifiably so. But if you made a list of the greatest Kane matches, a lot of them would probably be more "entertaining" than "good," and be gimmick bouts involving quite a few more talented guys.

I guess you could call this thread "Saving graces." But what I'd really be interested in is a guy who can technically work, and is entertaining, but is beloved for us a bit more than other guys of equal or even better ability.

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Old 12-05-2010, 09:55 AM   #2
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I don't know how I didn't even think of Foley.
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As soon as i saw the thread name my first thought was Kevin Nash, at least Kane and Foley have had good matches.
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Although I would not put Foley, Kane, and Sting in the same category as Nash.

And I would not call them 'over-rated', they are workers as opposed to wrestlers, which is actually a positive.
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Booker T, To me he is utterly worthless and I cannot understand how anyone has ever enjoyed anything he's ever done.

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Booker T, To me he is utterly worthless and I cannot understand how anyone has ever enjoyed anything he's ever done.

I find him irritating in his mannerisms and impossible to watch. don't know exactly what it is but he disgusts me.
Booker T is an interesting example. I have thoroughly his heel stint as King Booker in the WWE. Otherwise as a heel, I found him really quite boring. I also don't think he's a bad worker, although he works better with some guys than others. For example, despite being good workers, his Best of Five Series with John Cena over the US Title made me HATE Cena. Part of that was because I thought Cena (despite proving to have been a good worker up to this point) had shifted into a boring mode (which he had, to some degree), and because of the booking -- but still.

That being said, I'm not hating on Booker T, which is not the point of this thread. I think he is a great example of a guy considered greater than perhaps the sum of his parts.
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Raven is another guy I was actually thinking about the other day but forgot to bring up. For the most part, he is praised for his "psychology." I haven't seen enough of the guy to know, but I can't say that I've ever been so desperate to see a Raven match. But yet people love the guy. I remember people being so pissed in 2001 when he got shafted from a European Title match against Eddie Guerrero for Matt Hardy -- who won the title. Me being a mark for Matt Hardy at the time, didn't really care, haha.
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Honestly I hate to say it but my favorite wrestler is pretty over rated. Sabu. He is amazing at destroying furniture and thats really about it. He has the same 4-5 moves, every match looks the same, character has never changed, same basic music. The only thing that has chanced is his hair length and his pant color, add a scar or 2. I believe I am such a fan because he has sacrificed so much for the wrestling business to never actually do anything great. Plus when I was 12 I go hit in the head by one of his "wild chair throws" while attending a PCW even in Irving, TX. He apologized and signed the chair for me. I still have the chair. But all that aside, as far as in ring talent and mic skill... I would have to give him a 4 out of 10...... sorry Sabu.
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Honestly I hate to say it but my favorite wrestler is pretty over rated. Sabu. He is amazing at destroying furniture and thats really about it. He has the same 4-5 moves, every match looks the same, character has never changed, same basic music. The only thing that has chanced is his hair length and his pant color, add a scar or 2. I believe I am such a fan because he has sacrificed so much for the wrestling business to never actually do anything great. Plus when I was 12 I go hit in the head by one of his "wild chair throws" while attending a PCW even in Irving, TX. He apologized and signed the chair for me. I still have the chair. But all that aside, as far as in ring talent and mic skill... I would have to give him a 4 out of 10...... sorry Sabu.
He botches alot, but that's what makes him so much fun to watch. Will he fall off the top rope trying to do the triple jump moonsault? Will he fall off the chair knowing he doesn't have enough speed to hit it? What other ways can he botch? Can't waith for Sabotchamania 3!
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everything about taker is fuckin hateful, he can fuck off.
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im gonna say taker.
everything about taker is fuckin hateful, he can fuck off.
wow really? 19 and 0 at mania.
The highflying deadman.
He changed his person to a complete tool (american badass) and was still loved and adored by millions.
Has been involved in some of the most memorable matches in WWE history.
The man that helped cement Stone Cold as a main even superstar.
He legend-ized Mick Foley.
He used to sacrifice people on national television for christ sake... thats crazy awesome.
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all this is coming from a person who is not even an undertaker fan...
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The man that helped cement Stone Cold as a main even superstar.
NO, That was Bret Hart.
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NO, That was Bret Hart.
LOL, yeah, what? Taker and Austin didn't really touch until the Summer of 98, and Austin was well-established by then.
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NO, That was Bret Hart.
I said helped not that he was the only one who did it......
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wow really? 19 and 0 at mania.
The highflying deadman.
He changed his person to a complete tool (american badass) and was still loved and adored by millions.
Has been involved in some of the most memorable matches in WWE history.
Umm... 19-0 at Wrestlemania is bullshit. He's scripted to win every year. The streak does NOT impress me, and I don't get how it impresses anyone.
Highflying? Walking the top rope while you hold someone's hand for support isn't exactly highflying.
The Backstreet Boys were loved and adored by millions. It didn't make them good.
Being involved in memorable matches doesn't mean much. Matches aren't always memorable for good reasons, and sometimes matches are memorable for good reasons in spite of the people in them.

Which is sort of the point of the thread, IIRC.

Just playing devil's advocate.
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Umm... 19-0 at Wrestlemania is bullshit. He's scripted to win every year.
And the rest of the industry isn't?
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I agree with Kane, Booker T and Sabu. Can't stand either of them.

I'm not going to call Rey Mysterio a bad wrestler, but for me he falls in this category just because I have never, ever found him believable.
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Undertaker - He was never a great worker and has only ever seemed capable of having 2-3 good matches a year. Most of his matches are pretty bad.

Kane - I can't think of any Kane matches that were very good. Kane also once had a bad match with Chris Benoit around 2000-2001.
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Undertaker - He was never a great worker and has only ever seemed capable of having 2-3 good matches a year. Most of his matches are pretty bad.

Kane - I can't think of any Kane matches that were very good. Kane also once had a bad match with Chris Benoit around 2000-2001.
To be fair, Taker usually gets a pass from people because when he pulls out all the stops, he's fucking fantastic. Even I usually give him a pass, and I'm not really a Taker mark. Most people can't even pull out 2-3 really good matches a year.
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I would think he is the opposite case here. He wrestles well enough but can bore one to death in his matches.
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The Miz fits the description you used for Nash, minus the size brings credibility.
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