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Old 05-15-2012, 03:58 AM   #1
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Dear jesus, this should have been done the first time around.

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Old 05-15-2012, 02:21 PM   #2
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so is it a sequel or a retelling of the origin?
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:34 PM   #3
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Retelling I believe. Basically starting over much in the way Batman Begins did with Batman.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:29 PM   #4
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Retelling I believe. Basically starting over much in the way Batman Begins did with Batman.
Exactly. And there's no Mary Jane lovestory in this one yet.. His blonde GF is Gwen who was supposedly his former lover BEFORE marrying Mary Jane.
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:27 PM   #5
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Liked the kid rescue scene.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:22 PM   #6
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I'm cautiously optimistic about the reboot. I'm not crazy about how moody Peter Parker comes off, or how much they're harping on all the secrets about his parents (IMO that really diminishes the importance of Uncle Ben and Aunt May), but I'm really digging everything else I'm seeing.

I like that he's actually got a sense of humor as Spidey, I like that he's using mechanical web-shooters instead of the organic ones from the Raimi movies, I like that Gwen is the love interest instead of Mary Jane (who I'm sure they'll bring in later), and I like that they're starting off with a villain they haven't used before. So yeah, to me the positives outnumber the negatives, so I'm looking forward to it.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:40 PM   #7
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I don't think anyone they get for J. Jonah Jameson will do a better job than J. K. Simmons did in the other three movies though.
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I don't think anyone they get for J. Jonah Jameson will do a better job than J. K. Simmons did in the other three movies though.
From what I've heard, JJJ isn't going to be in the reboot, at least not until the next movie.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:04 PM   #9
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I don't think anyone they get for J. Jonah Jameson will do a better job than J. K. Simmons did in the other three movies though.
I think they did a perfect job with Aunt May last time as well.
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Old 05-15-2012, 05:56 PM   #10
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Saw the trailer when I saw The Avengers, ad got pretty stokedfor it. I was already excited before. I like the direction they are seemingly taking, and I am hoping it turns out to be a blast. Agree with mechanical based web shooters.
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Old 05-15-2012, 10:30 PM   #12
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The reboots I think simply fix what the fans didn't like about the originals. Hell look at Burtons Batman. sure great movies but Nolan hit it out of the park.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:04 PM   #13
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Dear jesus, this should have been done the first time around.
You expect Raimi to make something that's not shit?

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so is it a sequel or a retelling of the origin?
Reboot.

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I don't think anyone they get for J. Jonah Jameson will do a better job than J. K. Simmons did in the other three movies though.
No, they won't.

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I think they did a perfect job with Aunt May last time as well.
Yes.

And that's the unfortunate thing about the Raimi films. A lot of the supporting cast was s pot on and I'ma miss them.

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Exactly. And there's no Mary Jane lovestory in this one yet.. His blonde GF is Gwen who was supposedly his former lover BEFORE marrying Mary Jane.
Who was only introduced in Spider-Man 3 for some reason.

Also, there's no "supposedly." Gwen and Captain Stacy were a part of Spider-Man before Mary Jane. He also had a couple other love interests.

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The reboots I think simply fix what the fans didn't like about the originals. Hell look at Burtons Batman. sure great movies but Nolan hit it out of the park.
Batman Begins more or less fixed the problem of that last abomination. Both Batman and Spider-Man have been through a lot of various iterations. Probably only Superman's been through more.

Reboots aren't as big a deal when something been through like a dozen retellings.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:03 PM   #14
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:09 PM   #15
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I had no idea who Raimi was before Spiderman. I expect no one will remember him in ten years either. I hate him for the pure and simple fact that Spiderman 3 was a barely watchable clusterfuck.

As for what Begins did, Burton made the mistake of not ending it when he should have. With the Nolan films, he had access to special effects 20+ years more advanced then Burton so that needs to be taken into account as well.
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I had no idea who Raimi was before Spiderman. I expect no one will remember him in ten years either. I hate him for the pure and simple fact that Spiderman 3 was a barely watchable clusterfuck.

As for what Begins did, Burton made the mistake of not ending it when he should have. With the Nolan films, he had access to special effects 20+ years more advanced then Burton so that needs to be taken into account as well.
Yeah, nobody will remember the Evil Dead guy in ten years.
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Yeah, nobody will remember the Evil Dead guy in ten years.
TIL that Raimi directed The Evil Dead.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:45 PM   #18
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TIL that Raimi directed The Evil Dead.
Yeah, he's a shlock guy.
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Old 05-15-2012, 11:52 PM   #19
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I hate him for the pure and simple fact that Spiderman 3 was a barely watchable clusterfuck.
That's Sony, chap.

I do like that he could make 2 good Spidey movies and the last one he was influenced by Sony to adjust makes you hate him.

His Spidey movies weren't comic accurate, but they were generally good (even Spidey 3, imo).
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I think Spider-Man 1 was not bad (the best thing about it was Willem Dafoe) and Spider-Man 2 was good, but not great. Spider-Man 3 was mediocre and dragged on.

This seems to focus on more things, creating more interesting sub-plots. He cracks jokes and uses more science. I like this more than the first 3 movies just from the looks of the trailer... and Emma Stone is super attractive.
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Burton's movies were awesome for the time, BTW. I think they still hold up, even though I love Nolan's interpretation. That's all these are: interpretation of the characters.
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I love Batman and Batman Returns. Even Batman Forever was watchable. Batman & Robin was...

But yeah, different directors and actors - it's pretty much in line with comics and different artists on any character.
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I loved Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2. They were pretty great.

Amazing Spider-Man is looking good, but highly doubt it will best those two. Will most definitely best Spidey 3.

Amazing Spider-Man loses points for Andrew Garfield's terrifying hair. That thing scares me. Can't stand his hair.
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That's Sony, chap.

I do like that he could make 2 good Spidey movies and the last one he was influenced by Sony to adjust makes you hate him.

His Spidey movies weren't comic accurate, but they were generally good (even Spidey 3, imo).
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Burton's movies were awesome for the time, BTW. I think they still hold up, even though I love Nolan's interpretation. That's all these are: interpretation of the characters.
This is a debate I had with my wife which I convinced her to see my point of view. It was about Harry Potter 3 and 4 and how much I loathe them. Her argument was that it was the the interpretation of it to which I argued that not using the book or in this case, comic book as the basis of the script is only going to succeed in pissing off a lot of fans.

I got her to read the HP series after our argument and upon rewatching HP 3 and 4, She changed her view to side with me stating "I can definitely see why that third movie pisses you off now".

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I love Batman and Batman Returns. Even Batman Forever was watchable. Batman & Robin was...

But yeah, different directors and actors - it's pretty much in line with comics and different artists on any character.
Do not mention that abomina NIPPLES. Fuck, thanks for making me picture that suit. asshole.

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I loved Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2. They were pretty great.

Amazing Spider-Man is looking good, but highly doubt it will best those two. Will most definitely best Spidey 3.

Amazing Spider-Man loses points for Andrew Garfield's terrifying hair. That thing scares me. Can't stand his hair.
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I love Batman and Batman Returns. Even Batman Forever was watchable. Batman & Robin was...

But yeah, different directors and actors - it's pretty much in line with comics and different artists on any character.
It's a shame we don't get the same kind of "runs" as we do with comics, though. I mean, a run with an artist or writer can last for years of monthly issues. A run with a movie rarely passes the trilogy mark.

Also, I liked Val Kilmer as Bruce Wayne/Batman, even though the movie itself was kinda...Meh. I still enjoyed it, but....

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This is a debate I had with my wife which I convinced her to see my point of view. It was about Harry Potter 3 and 4 and how much I loathe them. Her argument was that it was the the interpretation of it to which I argued that not using the book or in this case, comic book as the basis of the script is only going to succeed in pissing off a lot of fans.
To be fair, nothing's going to please the fans. Also, keep in mind the first rough cut of the first HP movie was four hours. There's no way to be as thorough as a book or even a comic series. You can't capture the same style.

Taking Spider-Man as an example, he's always had an internal monologue that's hard to catch onscreen. Not impossible, but the contrast of his worried thoughts and his massive bravado in a fight are part of what makes Spider-Man Spider-Man.

Plus, as Kal pointed out, there is a pretty big issue in terms of comics and voices. Early Batman was kind of a dick. Then he was sort of an iconic detective with fighting skills. Then he was a superhero. He's been a lot of things. Which Batman do you remain faithful to?

Same with Spider-Man. Hell, J Michael Strazynski had a run where Peter was an elemental Spider-totem of some sort.

Not to mention you had as many as five simultaneous comics with Spidey in them, all with different arcs (there were crossovers, but most of the time, the writing on spectacular vs Web of would be nominally different).

And now you have Allstar Batman and Robin (Source of the Goddamn Batman), a DC reboot of its universe, alternate universes, etc. There's Ultimate Spider-Man, Noir Spider-Man, alternate universe spideys, etc.

Spider-Man, even in source text, is open for interpretation. Same with Batman. Both Nolan's Batman and Burton's Batman draw from versions of Batman. Nolan's is probably more unfaithful, especially since it comes from the fantastic Batman: Year One. It's also fucking awesome, so who cares?

The Harry Potter movies are a whole nother animal, and I think faithfulness is one of the least of their problems.
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Same with Spider-Man. Hell, J Michael Strazynski had a run where Peter was an elemental Spider-totem of some sort.
God, that's barely even scratching the surface of how fucked JMS's run on Spider-Man was. That also included a bit where he turned into a human-spider monster, died, and then basically shit out a new version of himself with organic web-shooters and stingers (because spiders are apparently the same things as bees), another arc where it turned out Gwen Stacy fucked the Green Goblin and had his kids and never told anyone, and of course the infamous arc where Peter sells his marriage to the devil.

I know that a writer's run on a comic is just his personal interpretation, like you said, but Jesus.
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God, that's barely even scratching the surface of how fucked JMS's run on Spider-Man was. That also included a bit where he turned into a human-spider monster, died, and then basically shit out a new version of himself with organic web-shooters and stingers (because spiders are apparently the same things as bees), another arc where it turned out Gwen Stacy fucked the Green Goblin and had his kids and never told anyone, and of course the infamous arc where Peter sells his marriage to the devil.

I know that a writer's run on a comic is just his personal interpretation, like you said, but Jesus.

Holy shit, I didn't know most of that.

To be fair, though, JMS was against One More Day. Not saying the rest of that shit is in any way good.
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I want to like it. But I don't know...I'm just going to stay neutral and withhold judgement until it actually comes out and I see it.
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@KK since I don't want to quote that massive post.

Fair enough with there being several different instances of the character going on at any given time. I think however most have their origin story pretty concrete and when that is screwed with I have issues.

With the comic book movies, I doubt it is possible to be completely accurate with what needs to be done. I think what needs to be done is to capture the characters as best as possible which in my opinion is what Nolan did perfectly. When I watch Batman Begins I don't see Christian Bale, I see Bruce Wayne/Batman. I see the character on the screen and my belief is suspended. Its how I always imagined Batman would look and act.

In capturing that, an incredible movie was made. If Peter Parker is captured within this it will go the same route I believe.
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I loved the original trilogy (even Spidey 3), and originally hated the fact that this was being rebooted so early on. However, once the clips starting coming out, it has definitely taken my interest. Looks impressive visually, and the more scientific/wise-cracking direction at least means it won't be a clear rip-off of the Raimi movies.
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In JMS's defense, yeah, he was against One More Day, and was pretty much forced into doing the stuff with Gwen and Osborn (the arc was done to introduce two villains that were supposed to be the long-lost children of Gwen and Peter, but Joe Quesada didn't want Pete to have kids because that would make him look too old, so he instead changed it to Osborn, which made it a thousand times worse) and fought in vain to have it retconned out almost immediately. And even though One More Day sucked, there's been a lot of good that's come from it in the aftermath--Dan Slott's run on Spidey since then has been phenomenal.

However, that doesn't change the fact that JMS wrote those comics, and said comics were fucking terrible.
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I personally still like the Raimi movies for what they were: campy fun call-backs to the old days of Lee and Ditko. It's easy to look at them now as inferior to stuff like The Dark Knight or the Avengers, but before the Spider-Man movies, nobody had actually put any effort into making genuinely good superhero movies in nearly a decade. Most of the superhero movies that came out in the gulf between the Tim Burton Batman movies and the Raimi Spider-Man movies were cheap trash, and some of the rejected scripts were unreadable messes (ever read James Cameron's script for a Spider-Man movie? Or better yet, all the rejected scripts for a Superman reboot in the 90s?) So as cheesy as they are, the first set of Spider-Man movies were still a huge part in making the superhero genre more respectable (and more profitable, for that matter)

I mean, I still have huge issues with a lot of stuff in them (Green Goblin's horrible costume), especially in the third movie (the pointless retcon where Sandman killed Uncle Ben, the atrocious amnesia angle with Harry, turning MJ into a jealous bitch, introducing Gwen Stacy and her father two movies too late, shoe-horning in Venom for no reason other than because the producers wanted them there....and what the hell was up with the musical number?!). But even then, there were some awesome moments. The bit where he saves Gwen from the collapsing building was great, and the fight between black-suited Spidey and Sandman in the subway kicked all kinds of ass. While Spider-Man 3 was still a bad movie overall, I've gotta at least give credit to the parts that didn't suck.

Also, J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson.



Hell, I should've opened with that.
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Went to see it just now, good movie.

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Only things that pissed me off was how Parker was just showing off his identity to every guy willy nilly, as if he couldn't wait to show them. The story was very similar to the Toby-Spiderman as well...

Man robs convenience store, Parker lets him go, Man runs into Ben Parker, Man shoots Ben Parker, Peter goes on a vengeance against said Man. The only difference is that Peter doesn't get his man in the end.


Also some after-credits as well
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Spiderman 2 by the sounds - Green Goblin again?
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@ Gray:

You realize the Uncle Ben bit is basically in every Spidey origin ever? How does one complain about that?
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