some random thoughts about wwe

[KillerWolf]

honest to god. this is true. i honestly beleive that i could do a much better job of writing the stories for wwe than the current staff.

[Kane Knight]

I thin Eugene (Not Dinsmore, but Eugene himself) could do a better job.

[KillerWolf]

i have always thought that Randy Orton and Edge were both highly over-rated. however, after last nights IC championship match, i am starting to come around.

[King Jericho]

I think the product (Is more case RAW) is on the way up right now

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by shock&awe honest to god. this is true. i honestly beleive that i could do a much better job of writing the stories for wwe than the current staff.

Yes it is true that you think you could write better then the WWE writers.

No it is not true that you could write better then the WWE. A lot of you might hate to admit this but writing for a live show every week is a tough job. You have to worry about egos and injuries. Plus the fact that you have to trust that your wrestlers can pull off what you write. It's not so easy.

I used to write for an indy fed (not for money or anything) and I found it a lot harder then I thought. I think I do an alright job. But you'd be surprised how many times an idea you thought was going to go over huge fell totally flat.

[King Jericho]

Also, think about that the writers just can't give everybody what they want

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by The Show Off Yes it is true that you think you could write better then the WWE writers. No it is not true that you could write better then the WWE. A lot of you might hate to admit this but writing for a live show every week is a tough job. You have to worry about egos and injuries. Plus the fact that you have to trust that your wrestlers can pull off what you write. It's not so easy. I used to write for an indy fed (not for money or anything) and I found it a lot harder then I thought. I think I do an alright job. But you'd be surprised how many times an idea you thought was going to go over huge fell totally flat.

Pfffft.

Compared to hat I've written in the past, this'd be child's play.

Just because you find something hard does not mean other people will.

Writing for live TV? There are people who have to do that for more than a couple of shows a week.

[Blue Demon]

Raw has been pretty good as of late...SmackDown on the other hand is going sown the tubes....JBL is in the main event for ****s sakes

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by King Jericho Also, think about that the writers just can't give everybody what they want

They say you can't please everyone.

The problem is, this is being used as an excuse to please almost no-one.

Obviously, wresting CAN draw more people. If you need proof, look at the Attitude era.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by The Show Off Yes it is true that you think you could write better then the WWE writers. No it is not true that you could write better then the WWE. A lot of you might hate to admit this but writing for a live show every week is a tough job. You have to worry about egos and injuries. Plus the fact that you have to trust that your wrestlers can pull off what you write. It's not so easy. I used to write for an indy fed (not for money or anything) and I found it a lot harder then I thought. I think I do an alright job. But you'd be surprised how many times an idea you thought was going to go over huge fell totally flat.

thats what i said.
but damn dude, how do you know im not a talented guy who could make a difference in the current product.

[King Jericho]

Originally Posted by The Show Off I used to write for an indy fed (not for money or anything) and I found it a lot harder then I thought. I think I do an alright job. But you'd be surprised how many times an idea you thought was going to go over huge fell totally flat.

Writing for an Indy company would be totally different from the WWE, with amount of shows, and TV time and the like, I'm not saying that it's not a hard job, because it can be (I'm a wrestler myself and see first had what can come out of storylines).

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by shock&awe thats what i said. but damn dude, how do you know im not a talented guy who could make a difference in the current product.

I don't know I'm just being excessivly harsh... All I know is I've written every type of thing you can think of, screenplays, novels, short stories, poems ect, and I've gotten published it most of them. However, writing for a wrestling company is difficult, because more then anything else the results are out of your hands.

[KillerWolf]

i think people on this thread who are disappointed with the "DEADMAN RETURN" are entirely too hung up on his attire, when the lack of direction for that character is far more unsettling.

think back to 1992-1996. what did that character require that just does not exist anymore.................? you are correct - a steady diet of disposable heels.

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Pfffft. Compared to hat I've written in the past, this'd be child's play. Just because you find something hard does not mean other people will. Writing for live TV? There are people who have to do that for more than a couple of shows a week.

What have you written that makes that look like childs play?

[91]

Originally Posted by The Show Off Yes it is true that you think you could write better then the WWE writers. No it is not true that you could write better then the WWE. A lot of you might hate to admit this but writing for a live show every week is a tough job. You have to worry about egos and injuries. Plus the fact that you have to trust that your wrestlers can pull off what you write. It's not so easy. I used to write for an indy fed (not for money or anything) and I found it a lot harder then I thought. I think I do an alright job. But you'd be surprised how many times an idea you thought was going to go over huge fell totally flat.

That's certainly true to an extent - nobody ever said it was easy, but sometimes the ideas you see with are so fucking stupid that you have to wonder who on earth would ever have thought for one iota of a second that it would make good TV. Once again I relate back to necrophilia.

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by 91 That's certainly true to an extent - nobody ever said it was easy, but sometimes the ideas you see with are so fucking stupid that you have to wonder who on earth would ever have thought for one iota of a second that it would make good TV. Once again I relate back to necrophilia.

Alright if the rest of you feel this way, then I'm sorry for insinuating that you thought it was "child's play"

[91]

Originally Posted by shock&awe i think people on this thread who are disappointed with the "DEADMAN RETURN" are entirely too hung up on his attire, when the lack of direction for that character is far more unsettling. think back to 1992-1996. what did that character require that just does not exist anymore.................? you are correct - a steady diet of disposable heels.

There are plenty of disposable heels they can use - nobody would cry into their cereal if A-Train was routinely squashed (granted the match wouldn't be up to much, but then how many of UT's 92-96 matches were??), nobody would kick up much of a fuss if Rikishi went heel to supply Taker with some more fodder, Steven Richards is still employed - would anyone be ranting and raving if he did the job to the Taker after a brief feud? There are others as well - the F.B.I. (even though we've seen plenty of that, and they never got so much as a win over... hell, did they ever beat ANYONE?!?), the Bashams, the Dudleys may as well be sacrificed too, I'm sure they could dig up a bunch of OVW lugs to do the job. It's perfectly possible.

For the record, all of the above was a hypothetical, I'm not suggesting they actually do any of the following (except the A-Train squash, just to cheer me up).

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by The Show Off What have you written that makes that look like childs play?

Well, compared to "Triple H screwing a corpse=ratingz!" Everything beyond my second grade paper on Columbus.

[91]

Originally Posted by The Show Off Alright if the rest of you feel this way, then I'm sorry for insinuating that you thought it was "child's play"

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying for a second that it's easy and I can quite happily understand plenty of stuff the WWE has done that hasn't worked, but there's no doubt some of their stuff is beyond questionable sometimes. But at least they're stringing together some good PPV's right now, so I'll give them credit for that.

[The Show Off]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Well, compared to "Triple H screwing a corpse=ratingz!" Everything beyond my second grade paper on Columbus.

Yeah but obviously I think anyone could write a better storyline then nechrophilia. I was saying that it is hard to write well in wrestling.

[Kane Knight]

It's hard to write WELL (Good in Alabama) in wrestling. It's not hard to write in any field. It's hard to do it with a level of proficiency, which I can appreciate. However, the WWE isn't writing good, and I don't see it as being too hard to top them on most of the stuff from the last year or so.

[PureHatred]

I think shock&awe should have put all his thoughts together at the beginning of the thread so that it would make more sense.

Also, I'm not sure what he's bitching about: Raw has been decent lately, they are even pying attention to the midcarders and giving them angles (a rarity) and we actually had a show last night that was not driven exclusively by HHH/HBK. I mean you might be able to come uo with better storylines, but unlike, say, a year ago, it's not a slam-dunk.

Smackdown is a totally different story...

[Kane Knight]

I dunno. Out of all the WWE fans I know, I'm the only one with any real interest in Raw.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by PureHatred I think shock&awe should have put all his thoughts together at the beginning of the thread so that it would make more sense. Also, I'm not sure what he's bitching about: Raw has been decent lately, they are even pying attention to the midcarders and giving them angles (a rarity) and we actually had a show last night that was not driven exclusively by HHH/HBK. I mean you might be able to come uo with better storylines, but unlike, say, a year ago, it's not a slam-dunk. Smackdown is a totally different story...

im not bitching. these are just random thoughts. and yeah, with the exception of the Kane-Lita angle, raw hasnt been bad. and basically I DID have smackdown in mind when i had that random thought.

[KillerWolf]

i have always thought that Batista was (overall) at least every bit as good as Brock Lesnar.

[PureHatred]

Originally Posted by shock&awe i have always thought that Batista was (overall) at least every bit as good as Brock Lesnar.

Overall? How? He isnt the worker Brock is. If he was, he wouldn't have spent the last few months having a senior citizen carry him in tag matches. And their mic skills are equally weak. So, are you going based on how cool their tattos are? Dave's excellent tan?

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by shock&awe im not bitching. these are just random thoughts. and yeah, with the exception of the Kane-Lita angle, raw hasnt been bad. and basically I DID have smackdown in mind when i had that random thought.

I actually like the Kane-Lita thing. Kane as a psychopathic stalker works for me.

[Kane Knight]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Overall? How? He isnt the worker Brock is. If he was, he wouldn't have spent the last few months having a senior citizen carry him in tag matches. And their mic skills are equally weak. So, are you going based on how cool their tattos are? Dave's excellent tan?

Well, in fairness, you just said that Steven Richards and Sean O'Haire aren't as good as Big Show and A-Train. After all, A-Train and Show main event, where the other guys are on heat and released, respectively.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by PureHatred Overall? How? He isnt the worker Brock is. If he was, he wouldn't have spent the last few months having a senior citizen carry him in tag matches. And their mic skills are equally weak. So, are you going based on how cool their tattos are? Dave's excellent tan?

i had to say overall because yes, lesnars ring work was superior, but not THAT much. i

[PureHatred]

All I'm saying is that Brock Lesnar is way better in the ring than Batita is. Pushes aside, watching Brock's matches, I always thought he was a good worker and a great athlete and surprisingly agile for his size. Seeing Batista lumber around in the ring...I guess you couldsay its part of his character but he just seems to struggle with even basic wrestling technique, he doesn't sell very well, and up until a few months ago was being referred to by many fans as Botchtista for a good reason.

Neither Brock nor Batista are gold on the mic, so unless you're looking at something like appearance ( which is again similar),based on their ringwork, Brock Lesnar was light years ahead of Batista when both men were in the WWE. I'm sure the reason Ric and Batista were paired up was in order for Dave to learn some things, and now that he appears headed for a singles push, we'll see.

But up until this ppoint, its not even a fair comparison.

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I actually like the Kane-Lita thing. Kane as a psychopathic stalker works for me.

here is how it "feels" to me. see i am a Kane fan. so this character that i am a fan of gets buried and buried and buried some more. so now after getting beat by.....tss.. Edge, he has resorted to picking on a woman to feel like a big man.

[Kane Knight]

Awwww...Shucks...Kane just needs a little lovin'...

[91]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight Well, in fairness, you just said that Steven Richards and Sean O'Haire aren't as good as Big Show and A-Train. After all, A-Train and Show main event, where the other guys are on heat and released, respectively.

He didn't really did he?

[KillerWolf]

Originally Posted by PureHatred All I'm saying is that Brock Lesnar is way better in the ring than Batita is. Pushes aside, watching Brock's matches, I always thought he was a good worker and a great athlete and surprisingly agile for his size. Seeing Batista lumber around in the ring...I guess you couldsay its part of his character but he just seems to struggle with even basic wrestling technique, he doesn't sell very well, and up until a few months ago was being referred to by many fans as Botchtista for a good reason. Neither Brock nor Batista are gold on the mic, so unless you're looking at something like appearance ( which is again similar),based on their ringwork, Brock Lesnar was light years ahead of Batista when both men were in the WWE. I'm sure the reason Ric and Batista were paired up was in order for Dave to learn some things, and now that he appears headed for a singles push, we'll see. But up until this ppoint, its not even a fair comparison.

well, youre right about that. batista does not sell well. in fact he over-sells a lot of the time and it looks fairly cheesy.

so you may have shown me the light. maybe batista isnt as good as lesnar was. maybe it only seems that way because in lesnars case, he was pushed beyond his overall abilities, whereas batista fits right into his role as "the muscle" of evolution. know what i mean?

[Corkscrewed]

I think I could write better than what the SD! staff has been doing--if I didn't have to contend with egos and politics.

Sadly, that's the catch.

[ColdwaVer]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I dunno. Out of all the WWE fans I know, I'm the only one with any real interest in Raw.

Well except for about a two week period in 2002 I've always been more interested in Raw. The guys and feuds I've wanted to see have generally been there.

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I actually like the Kane-Lita thing. Kane as a psychopathic stalker works for me.

The only real problem I see with the feud is that in the end, one of them has to go over the other, and all of the internet gripe-mongers will go all melodramatic for the one who doesn't. If Matt goes over, we get the cries of Kane not being credible, and if Kane goes over we get people screaming about what a jobber Matt has become. A lot of people fail to realize that there are ways to get both guys over, but a) WWE doesn't seem to pull that off to well anymore, and b) said gripe-mongers never admit it when they do.

[El Santo]

Originally Posted by Kane Knight I thin Eugene (Not Dinsmore, but Eugene himself) could do a better job.

Heh. Fifi could do a better job.

Unless... Fifi IS writing the storylines.

To which I say: BAD DOG! BAD, BAD DOG!

[Kane Knight]

*Rubs Fifi's nose in the script*

*ASPCA complains for curelty to animals*