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Is it true that "Hulk Still Rules," and why or why not?
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No it is not. Reason being, that in order to still rule, that means that you have had to rule at a previous time.
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Takes my pain away
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But hey, hulk ruled before, but that was like 20 years ago?
He's no more than an old man who should retire and look after his pretty daughter. |
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Okay, so when somebody gets old we should pull the plug and forget about him? Ya know what I think? I think he's one of the greatest of all time. And I think he was a goldmine that only comes along about once in a millenium. He had charisma, mic skills, the look, and shitty wrestling skills (but was still a huge draw). It's true, Hogan wouldn't have been so big if it weren't for Vince and the WWF, but the WWF (and sports entertainment today) would not have become so big if it weren't for Hulk Hogan.
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I'll agree, WWE probably wouldn't be what if it were today without Hogan. Yes he was a huge draw, yes he had the mic skills. But to me that never meant he ruled. Honestly, even back when I was very little, Macho Man and Ricky The Dragon were my favorites. Along with guys like Dynamite and Bret. I always became extremely bored with interviews, and honestly enjoyed the wrestling first and foremost.
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EL MERO MERO!
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Hulk still rules.. in sucking!! HAHA, I'm original! DX 4 life... sweeeat!!
Anyways, back to the question: no, he doesn't "still rule" and it is because people noticed.. that he sucked, compared to Eddie Guerrero,Kurt Angle,Jericho and anyone else you can think of that has some sort of credibility now. |
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But there comes a time in every athlete's life where his profession passes him by. Wrestling isn't like most sports because the results are scripted. But it's simply not believable for guys like Ric Flair, Dust Rhodes, and yes, Hulk Hogan to be competing with guys a third their age. Flair makes it work because of his dirty tricks, but even he is a glorified jobber at this stage in his careeer. Would Hogan do that? Would his ego allow him to go anywhere without at least the promise of a main event run? As one half of a tag team ( how about Flair/Hogan as the underdog veterans to reinvigorate the tag division?) or as a manager, Hogan can still wrk and he is still a draw. But as anything else his time has passed and no amount of Hulkamania references can change that. |
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#9 |
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HULK STILL RULES
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Pretend for a moment he came back for a while. Suppose he shows up on Monday Night Raw. I know, it's a stretch, but hang on. How would most fans react if Hogan showed up? I would think it's very possible that they'd really be happy. Would I stick him on a ppv and make him the main event? Probably not, because I know he just can't work, but you know for a little while his return would create some interest (even if not for internet fans). The same people in these forums who say Hogan is past his prime would still "mark out" if he came back for a visit. And why? Because he's Hulk Hogan, dammit. ![]() Last edited by Marc the Smark; 05-13-2004 at 01:52 AM. |
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Hulk Hogan is one of the best ever. Next to The Rock he's probly the most popular superstars of all time. He's a true icon and role model still to this day
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RHS, I really think his last WWE run was great and was everytihng a Hogan fan could hope for. His match with The Rock was electric, he got one more run as the world champion and he left the WWE after beating Vince in a streetfight that actually lived up to its billing. Athletes that retire then come back again and again....it just loses its meaning after a while. Look at George Foreman. Or Terry Funk. It just becomes a non-story after a while.
Hogan was great, but he should stay in the past. If he comes back, it should be as a manager or in a very limited wrestling capacity. Other than that, it just comes off as a cheap trick to recapture the very real mark out moments of Hogan's last run. |
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Yea..people stil love Hulk. How can you not? He was the closest thing to a living breathing superhero for more than a decade. 'Real American,' Rock N' Wrestling, Thunderlips...hell go up in the streets to someone today and start flexing your muscles and tear your shirt off and they'll know you're doing a Hulk impression (and they'll call the cops).
He's a part of Americana and no amount of negativity about his ego or mat skills will ever change that. |
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The Rise of Hulkamania was simply standing on the shoulders of giants. The whole Rock 'n Wrestling bit was more or less invented by the Freebirds (which is part of the reason why they were among wrestling's biggest names in the late '70s, early '80s.), The whole Superhero bit was taken from Billy Graham, and the whole celebrity aspect of it was inspired by Jerry Lawler's work with Andy Kaufman.
All of that being said, he could pull it off. I don't think someone the likes of One Man Gang, Paul Orndorf, Honky Tonk Man, or even Randy Savage could pull it off as well as Hogan did. I intentionally mentioned mainly secondary stars for a reason: You couldn't put just take any schmuck off the street, put him in Red and Yellow, have him ramble on about "Training, Prayers, and Vitamins," and expect it to work. Hogan did as much to put himself over as McMahon did to make him a star. Does "Hulk Still Rule?" The little kid in me still thinks so. But he was basically a gateway to open our eyes to some of the better folks in the business. |
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Dude, you gotta recognise the fact that it was VINCE MCMAHON who put WWE on the world map. Why do i say so?
Vince Mcmahon is the brain. Hulk Hogan WAS the brawn. Remind yourself, there's only 1 Vince Mcmahon, but there may be lots of other people who could have used hogan's gimmick in the 80's. 'Nuff said. |
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Gillbird.. YOU SPEAK PURE UNCUT SEWER RAT ASS.
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Hogan never ruled in my eyes, he bored me, I always prefered the under-card of the PPV's he headlined in the 80's/90's
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Actually, Hulk had some success in Japan before his WWF run... bottom line is Hogan gets just as much credit as McMahon, in my opinion, if not more. |
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WOOOOOOOOO!
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I think Hulk certainly DID rule...not anymore. I still proudly don my Hulkamania shirt, but I'm a fan of his olderstuff, and some of his nWo stuff.
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Hogan still rules, I'd never want to see him wrestle again though, WMXIX was the last time I was excited to see the guy in a match.
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Screw hogan. He's an egomaniac baby who has never ever been able to wrestle.
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Sounds like half the wwe roster..at least hogan drew..unlike half the wwe roster. |
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His daughter rules.
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Hogan and McMahon the WWE and wrestling in general as big as it is today and put the company on the map. Hogan also participated in the nWo which, for a time until virtually the entire roster joined it, was possibly the best thing WCW did. The Hogan Rock match was great as was the Hogan McMahon street fight. So he definetly was the man but not anymore. I just don't miss him on tv and would prefer so many people in the WWE instead of him.
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I will remember Hulk Hogan for my whole life
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IMO, Hulk does not still rule, and never did. Yes, he was huge in the AWA, and he and McMahon launched one of the most successful eras in wrestling history, regularly selling out huge arenas and bringing in some of the highest rated matches of all time (The War to Settle the Score, Hogan/Andre 2, etc), but in the long run he's done a lot more harm than good.
-His unwillingness to share the spotlight has hindered the careers of countless wrestlers in the WWF and especially in WCW. After he left wrestling to make some of the most atrociously bad movies ever, WWF was left with a gigantic void in the main event scene, and suffered abysmal ratings until the Austin era. Since Hogan wouldn't let anyone else be the top dog, no one would buy anyone else in the top spot of the company, which was why Bret and Michaels, despite excellent matches, failed to save the ratings. -His notorious backstage nepotism and cronyism nearly bankrupted WCW prior to the nWo invasion, burying longtime WCW talent in favor for his buddies. -Speaking of the nWo, while they were wildly successful in their heyday, they killed backstage morale and did irreparable damage to WCW's name value. After watching the nWo stomp all over all of WCW's top names, the only thing people would buy that could stop them was another nWo, and by the time the angle was finally over, nobody cared. No one wanted to watch WCW after WCW had spent the past 3 years being made to look like a bunch of losers. -Did anyone really want to see Hogan win the WWF Title AGAIN in 2002? So yeah, while most people will remember Hogan as McMahon's golden boy, which Vince was a "genius" for pushing (bullshit, since all he did was take him from AWA, who were doing the same thing), he was also an egomaniac who is an integral part of why there is no more WCW, and why WWE's backstage has been in the gutter for years. Hogan and his ilk can go f>uck themselves for all I care, just as long as they stay the hell away from another main event run. |
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Watcha gonna do, when Hulkamania runs wild on you?
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Well since he was given the title and the crowd had been going buckshit for him months before i think thats pretty much a yes. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Sure anybody could've played Hogan's part, but anybody can play Kane's part, or HHH's part, or Foley's part for that matter. What's important is that the part got played in the first place. Hogan made wrestling what it is today. I would back the guy if he returned 1000 more times, just not for a title run. That would be extremely selfish to guys that are deserving of it. |
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He was one of the top 3 guys in WWE history in terms of maing money for the comapny, so he must be some good.
I dont think he can ever be a viable weekly character, but bringing him in once a year or so, to shoot an angle, and maybe work a match, there's nothing wrong with that. |
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