Better Wrestler #28 *HoF ROUND*

[Destor]

VS



3 DAYS

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Previous Better Wrestler Hall of Fame"Stone Cold" Steve AustinTazKurt AngleChris Jericho"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn MichaelsThe Undertaker"Macho Man" Randy SavageBret "Hitman" HartChris BenoitCM PunkJake "The Snake" RobertsThe Rock"Mr. Perfect" Curt HennigMick FoleyEddie GuerreroHulk Hogan

Previous Best Wrestler Tournament HistoryROUND 1#1. Randy Savage vs. Taz (72-4)#2. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin (42-42)#3. Chris Jericho vs. Jake Roberts (52-15)#4. Bret Hart vs. CM Punk (44-24)#5. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (27-31)#6. Mick Foley vs. Kurt Angle (18-41)#7. Eddie Guerrero vs. Shawn Michaels (13-50)#8. Chris Benoit vs. Hulk Hogan (28-36)ROUND 2#9. Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan (41-18)#10. The Undertaker vs. Steve Austin vs. Shawn Michaels (14-22-26)#11. Chris Jericho vs. Kurt Angle (30-27)#12. Bret Hart vs. The Rock (32-34)ROUND 3#13. Randy Savage vs. The Rock (41-22)#14. Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels (20-43)ROUND 4#15. Randy Savage vs Shawn Michaels (25-48)

[Destor]

This one really shouldnt be close at all. Taker has had a longer more proudctive career. Taker is in the Top 3 for GOAT along with Hogan and Flair. He's had dozens more iconic matches and angles. The streak was larger than anything savage ever touched. Easily Taker.

[Big Vic]

Randy played Bonesaw in spiderman, Randy hands down.

[Lock Jaw]

Originally Posted by Destor This one really shouldnt be close at all. Taker has had a longer more proudctive career. Taker is in the Top 3 for GOAT along with Hogan and Flair. He's had dozens more iconic matches and angles. The streak was larger than anything savage ever touched. Easily Taker.

This.

Also Macho Man kind of went "downhill" a lot in his later career in WCW..... while Taker seemed like he kept getting better as time went on.

[#1-norm-fan]

I've actually gotta think about this one. Savage was better on the mic and in the ring without question. But Taker had the look, mystique and longevity on his side. As a character, he felt like more of a big deal for a longer period of time than Savage.

[Destor]

I can think of 2 matches Savage had that are inthe league of Taker's top 10

[#1-norm-fan]

Time, career longevity and the fact that Taker wrestled in an era where guys had high profile matches on a monthly basis probably have something to do with that.

I can't think of 2 matches Savage had that were WORSE than any of Takers' 10 worst. I can't hold that against him for those same reasons though.

[Maluco]

Did Undertaker ever have a storyline as well done as Savage/Hogan? Did he ever have an iconic promo like Savages at Tuesday in Texas when Elizabeth gets hurt? Was Taker ever involved in something that moved as many fans as Savage/Elizabeth did, and did Undertaker ever draw at a peak level like Savage did?

Big questions on all of those for me and it's seriously close. Savages big moments were much greater and much more iconic than Takers and his style has been much more influential too.

[Emperor Smeat]

Tough decision but gave the slight nod to Taker and mainly due to his longevity as the tie breaker.

Both are legends as stars and among the greats of all time for wrestling. Macho gets the nod in terms of promo skills while Taker gets the nod in terms of longevity since it gave him more big and memorable moments than Macho had.

The Streak and Taker refreshing his career several times like Jericho ended up helping sway the vote towards him in the end.

[Bad News Gertner]

Originally Posted by Maluco Did Undertaker ever have a storyline as well done as Savage/Hogan? Did he ever have an iconic promo like Savages at Tuesday in Texas when Elizabeth gets hurt? Was Taker ever involved in something that moved as many fans as Savage/Elizabeth did, and did Undertaker ever draw at a peak level like Savage did? Big questions on all of those for me and it's seriously close. Savages big moments were much greater and much more iconic than Takers and his style has been much more influential too.

Savage didn't really draw that well as champion

[Destor]

Originally Posted by Maluco Did Undertaker ever have a storyline as well done as Savage/Hogan? Did he ever have an iconic promo like Savages at Tuesday in Texas when Elizabeth gets hurt? Was Taker ever involved in something that moved as many fans as Savage/Elizabeth did, and did Undertaker ever draw at a peak level like Savage did? Big questions on all of those for me and it's seriously close. Savages big moments were much greater and much more iconic than Takers and his style has been much more influential too.

Savage wasnt a big draw and Mania has risen to hieghts previously unimaginable with a huge assist from the streak. So thats not even comparable. If ypure no.1 criteria is the draw then you must vote Taker. Hands down.

Story lines? If youre only asking for one HBMvTaker spanned 2 years and vastly superior matches. The streak, and its ending, will echo through generations far louder than any moment savage ever had with Liz.

[Ruien]

Hmmm. I don't know. Everything in my head says Undertaker but the heart says Macho.

[#1-norm-fan]

I think you're giving Taker way more credit for the streak than you should. He was booked to win matches. It really had nothing to do with him. If you wanna praise him for the matches in the streak, that's one thing. But "he was booked to win matches" doesn't really speak to how good he was as a wrestler at all.

[Blonde Moment]

Going to have to think about this one...
Savages' run in the WWf was cut short due to Vince feeling he was too old and his Wcw stuff was hindered by Hogan's influence

Taker has had a long career full of memorable moments but i feel that aside from maybe his match with Punk, Taker really should have had his last match with Micheals and the longer his "remains" remain in the WWe the more his legacy will be tarnished.

[#1-norm-fan]

That being said, I'm leaning toward Taker.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Hard choice indeed. Went with the Macho Man because he deserves Hall of Fame. Will be along time to come around again.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner Savage didn't really draw that well as champion

Taker was never a big champion draw. Maybe in his later years

[Wishbone]

Grew up watching Taker and have a plethora of great memories because of him. Macho was amazing, and the fact that I know who he is and just how great he was despite not being old enough to grow up watching him is testament to that, but in the end I gotta go with what I know.

[#1-norm-fan]

Wishbone makes a good point. Macho Man is more iconic and transcends wrestling more. Leaning toward him now.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Originally Posted by Bad News Gertner Savage didn't really draw that well as champion

He was champion so Hogan could film his shitty movie. They never let Macho have a PPV that was him alone without Hogan. So, there is really nothing to judge his buyrate on. Hogan was on the card too in a main role so blame him too brother.

[Frank Drebin]

Look, I love Taker. But lets be honest here: his entire gimmick consisted of a sweet fucking entrance and no-selling. He was a gimmick change away from being Oz / Kevin Nash. Still a good career. Some might even say great. Nash had his moments. I hate saying this about him, but Taker was the right look for the right gimmick at the right time.

When you ask people on the street what person comes to their mind when you say wrestling, #1 is gonna be Hogan. #2 is gonna be Macho Man for anyone who didn't exclusively grow up with Cena on top. Macho Man is synonymous with wrestling. The look. The hair. The robes. The glasses. The music. The personality. The athleticism. His name is MACHO. Macho Man ran a program that at the end made grown men cry. You get chills watching it to this day if you don't shed a lil tear yourself. FFS, Jay Lethal imitates him and the crowd goes insane. They go nuts for it because Macho Man Randy Savage was one of the greatest of all time. Macho Man = wrestling. We love it. DIG IT!

[Maluco]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon He was champion so Hogan could film his shitty movie. They never let Macho have a PPV that was him alone without Hogan. So, there is really nothing to judge his buyrate on. Hogan was on the card too in a main role so blame him too brother.

This is true. He got bigger reactions than Hogan at times and Hogan was obviously threatened by him and made sure he never got the big spotlight shined on him as champion.

The fact was, people loved him and Elizabeth and loved their story. He knew how to work an angle and he knew how to make the crowd react the way he wanted to.

There is no proof that the streak contributed to manias drawing power. In hindsight, WWE marketed it like that, but it was an afterthought until very recently and even when it was a thing it was rarely the top match on the card.

There is no evidence that Taker was a bigger peak draw than Savage and he was never the man. Savage was sabotaged, but he was still the man at one stage. Taker never was.

I'm not saying I am voting Savage, just giving the other side of the story...

[Maluco]

Originally Posted by Frank Drebin Look, I love Taker. But lets be honest here: his entire gimmick consisted of a sweet fucking entrance and no-selling. He was a gimmick change away from being Oz / Kevin Nash. Still a good career. Some might even say great. Nash had his moments. I hate saying this about him, but Taker was the right look for the right gimmick at the right time. When you ask people on the street what person comes to their mind when you say wrestling, #1 is gonna be Hogan. #2 is gonna be Macho Man for anyone who didn't exclusively grow up with Cena on top. Macho Man is synonymous with wrestling. The look. The hair. The robes. The glasses. The music. The personality. The athleticism. His name is MACHO. Macho Man ran a program that at the end made grown men cry. You get chills watching it to this day if you don't shed a lil tear yourself. FFS, Jay Lethal imitates him and the crowd goes insane. They go nuts for it because Macho Man Randy Savage was one of the greatest of all time. Macho Man = wrestling. We love it. DIG IT!

Well, I wasn't decided...Until I read this

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

I think your user photo is the reason you are voting Savage.

[Maluco]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon I think you're user photo is the reason you are voting Savage.

Lol, some people loved Hogan and some loved Warrior, I was def a Savage mark

[Maluco]

Originally Posted by Destor Story lines? If youre only asking for one HBMvTaker spanned 2 years and vastly superior matches. The streak, and its ending, will echo through generations far louder than any moment savage ever had with Liz.

Honestly, would argue this point too. I don't think those Mania matches had a particularly good storyline or build. They were good matches, and the matches themselves, particularly the last one, told a good story, but Mega Powers was THE big story in the company for a full year and was built so well. Savage played his role brilliantly in it too.

Savage was definitely the better performer outside of the ring. He could elicit real emotion and people like Hogan have gone on record as saying that he brought another level out of them.

Undertaker couldn't tell a story or elicit an emotional response like Savage could, not even close.

[Bad News Gertner]

Originally Posted by SlickyTrickyDamon He was champion so Hogan could film his shitty movie. They never let Macho have a PPV that was him alone without Hogan. So, there is really nothing to judge his buyrate on. Hogan was on the card too in a main role so blame him too brother.

House shows figures

[Sepholio]

Wish there was an option for Swerve: Both men enter the HoF.

I was leaning towards Taker, but then I remember an argument I made on behalf of Kurt Angle I believe. This is better wrestler. And I don't know one person that can tell me Undertaker is better than Savage in that department and keep a straight face doing it.

Taker is all about the spectacle. Macho Man was the total package. There is honestly nothing more I can say other than to refer to Mr. Drebins post. He hit the nail on the head for me.

If both these men can't go to the HOF then Macho deserves the nods first.

[KIRA]

So after allowing myself time to weep over the impossible choice I picked The Undertaker.

He in the long run has meant far more to wrestling. His the definition of lightning in a bottle. I've said it before but his gimmick should be laughably stupid. It should've been a gimmick we look back at and cringe. But the man playing the part played it so straight and so godamn well that he has lasted for 20 something yrs. You have to be really fucking good to get something like a wrestling Undertaker to be taken as seriously as it has.

The stuff he did in ring just added to the package, started as basically a Zombie but over time he would bust out tight rope walking and suicide dives over the top rope.

(he has actually shown that he can wrestle on top of all of this)


He is the entire reason I started watching wrestling I can't gush enough.

[Rammsteinmad]

Undertaker, for pretty much every reason stated previously in this thread.

[KIRA]

[QUOTE=Undertaker couldn't tell a story or elicit an emotional response like Savage could, not even close.[/QUOTE]



Savage was a ticking time bomb of emotions

Taker was otherworldly, his character did not lend itself to emotion too well (outside of anger) he has always been presented as stoic

Even his human personas were kinda laid back.

[Nicky Fives]

Savage by a hair.

[DaveWadding]

This is a fucking joke right?

The Tower of Power, Too Sweet to be Sour, Funky like a monkey, the sky's the limit and space is the place.


OOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Destor]

Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan I think you're giving Taker way more credit for the streak than you should. He was booked to win matches. It really had nothing to do with him. If you wanna praise him for the matches in the streak, that's one thing. But "he was booked to win matches" doesn't really speak to how good he was as a wrestler at all.

STDesqu post and im not even going to entertain this logic.

Originally Posted by Fastway Going to have to think about this one... Savages' run in the WWf was cut short due to Vince feeling he was too old and his Wcw stuff was hindered by Hogan's influence Taker has had a long career full of memorable moments but i feel that aside from maybe his match with Punk, Taker really should have had his last match with Micheals and the longer his "remains" remain in the WWe the more his legacy will be tarnished.

Savages WCW run was hindered by him being washed up, youre trying really hard to act like savage is immune to failure. He peaked and never got hot again in any major way. Anything else is just making excuses.

Originally Posted by Frank Drebin Look, I love Taker. But lets be honest here: his entire gimmick consisted of a sweet fucking entrance and no-selling. He was a gimmick change away from being Oz / Kevin Nash. Still a good career. Some might even say great. Nash had his moments. I hate saying this about him, but Taker was the right look for the right gimmick at the right time. When you ask people on the street what person comes to their mind when you say wrestling, #1 is gonna be Hogan. #2 is gonna be Macho Man for anyone who didn't exclusively grow up with Cena on top. Macho Man is synonymous with wrestling. The look. The hair. The robes. The glasses. The music. The personality. The athleticism. His name is MACHO. Macho Man ran a program that at the end made grown men cry. You get chills watching it to this day if you don't shed a lil tear yourself. FFS, Jay Lethal imitates him and the crowd goes insane. They go nuts for it because Macho Man Randy Savage was one of the greatest of all time. Macho Man = wrestling. We love it. DIG IT!

what? No. Austin. Rock. Even Flair. I think you think everyone grew up when you did.

Originally Posted by Maluco Honestly, would argue this point too. I don't think those Mania matches had a particularly good storyline or build. They were good matches, and the matches themselves, particularly the last one, told a good story, but Mega Powers was THE big story in the company for a full year and was built so well. Savage played his role brilliantly in it too. Savage was definitely the better performer outside of the ring. He could elicit real emotion and people like Hogan have gone on record as saying that he brought another level out of them. Undertaker couldn't tell a story or elicit an emotional response like Savage could, not even close.

I think all these things would completely depend on how old you are. Maybe you werent as a effected by them but a generation of fans were. But to act like people have a flat emotionless reaction to taker is just weird. He is in a very small group that contains Hogan, Rock, Austin, HBM and yes Savage that connected to a huge ammount of people in a unique and profound way. Hes not..... i dunno, artificially over. Savage had a better promo. Sure. Illl give that.

[Frank Drebin]

No one is going to say Flair unless they're a huge wrestling fan. I'm talking about the average person on the street who may not even watch it. I can see the Rock because of his current level of fame, but at this point he's identified more as an actor than a wrestler.

Undertaker has never transcended the wrestling business unless you count his big "you're a dead man, Ramsey" line from Suburban Commando which is right on par with David Letterman ' s "hey, would you like to buy a monkey?" line from Cabin Boy. Alot more people remember Macho for his long running slim Jim commercials, too.

[#1-norm-fan]

Originally Posted by Destor STDesqu post and im not even going to entertain this logic.

The logic that booking shouldn't factor in to whether someone is a better wrestler than another or not?

How crazy.

[#1-norm-fan]

If there's a story written for a guy and he takes it, performs the hell out of it every night and makes himself a star, then it's totally valid. You're judging the guys' performance. Obviously that's a good criteria for judging him as a wrestler.

With the streak, Vince told him he was winning and he went out and won. And half the time the match was terrible. Bravo.

[Sepholio]

Yeah I don't factor wins/losses into my votes very much. That's a by product solely of booking. I think about how good they are at wrestling, how well they act/play their role, how much staying power they have and how entertaining they are in general.

Wins and losses have nothing to do with the wrestler and everything to do with the booker. If wins and losses and streaks carry actual weight then goldberg is the best ever.

[Sepholio]

I'd also like to take this chance to say that some of the best discussions on these forums take place right here in these threads. These are threads I genuinely look forward to participating in. I get a smile every time there's a new one up. And it's all because of you guys.

And that's how you pander to your audience.

[Blonde Moment]

Originally Posted by Destor Savages WCW run was hindered by him being washed up, youre trying really hard to act like savage is immune to failure. He peaked and never got hot again in any major way. Anything else is just making excuses.

Everyone agrees that Bret Hart wasn't washed up in Wcw but screwed over by shitty booking and power plays by those that had the boss's ear that same reasoning can be said of Savage in WcW. Savage was not onely fighting Hogan for a spot in Wcw but he was fighting for the one bright spot in his life that Hogan was interfering in as well, Miss Elizabeth.