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Old 12-15-2004, 07:05 AM   #1
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The Muhammad Hassan Discussion Thread *RAW Spoilers*
It is late at night, and I am tired, but I just finished watching RAW, and I am hyped about Muhammad Hassan. I will probably post more tomorrow, but this is just a place to discuss the new superstar and/or his manager, the also very talented, Khosrow Daivari.

I hope they make Muhammad a powerful character, and not go the cowardly heel route with him. This respect thing could really turn into something, especially with Foley involved. BTW, I say screw The Rock vs. Randy Orton, The Rock vs. Muhammad Hassan at WrestleMania 21's the real money maker.

Anyway, I feel a sif they should make this guy a gladiator, if you will. Don't have him play a coward, and have him go over clean. Judge him by his talents, as his original promos said. If this is done right, it could lead to either a MASSIVE Muhammad face turn, or a MASSIVE Muhammad heel push. Either way I'm happy. I'll go into details tomorrow, but I don't see why we don't here other people's comments on Mark Magnus, Shawn Daivari and their WWE personas.
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Old 12-15-2004, 08:19 AM   #2
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I like his character and all but I think he will only be around for a few months. Sorta like that Tiger Ali Singh guy. His character can turn out really great but untill I see him in the ring actually wrestle I think I will keep my judgement hidden.
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Yeah, wait until he is actually in the ring wrestling, then we'll see about him. The good thing about him is he's got the mic work down so far.
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Old 12-15-2004, 10:10 AM   #4
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I like his character and all but I think he will only be around for a few months. Sorta like that Tiger Ali Singh guy.
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HE looks good so far and isn't he supposed to be really good in the ring. I also hope that they don't make him the coward heel but instead a guy that will take on challengers head on.
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Old 12-15-2004, 01:07 PM   #6
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Yeah, make him a badass heel that everyone hates....but that might interfere in HHH's dominance.
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Old 12-15-2004, 01:35 PM   #7
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The whole racist storyline can only take you so far. Its like a tragedy of the commons in WWE. The racist storyline route is taken too much, people stop getting offended and caring about it. In the long run Hassan is damaged because he will be associated with this gimmick.

PS. After involving 9/11 in a storyline, the racist Anti-America gimmick is pretty much used up.
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Hassan vs. Hogan at Wrestlemania 21.
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I think he is great.
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You never know, though. He might go Sgt. Slaughter on everyone and become a megaface.
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Yeah I think having him get clean wins would be good too. Then he can go on about how the people don't judge him by his skills but by the fact that he is Arab-American.
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I wasn't all that crazy about him when I first seen his promos, but on RAW he looked pretty good out there. Though I don't like how he walked away from Foley. If he's supposed to be all pissed off over whats happened to him because of his race, then show it. On RAW he sounded pissed off, but then walked away when it came to an actual fight. If they can make him a bad ass heel, then I would enjoy seeing him more often.
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Well it didn't actually look like he was scared of Foley but like he said he just doesn't respect him
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You never know, though. He might go Sgt. Slaughter on everyone and become a megaface.
I got $100 that says Hassan will attack/get in a match with Sgt. Slaughter eventually.
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I'm pretty hyped. That part where they were arguing back and forth, with Foley talking about soldiers dying so Hassan and Daivari can spout their mouths, was really intense. That really struck and chord that I haven't felt for a while. It was electricity in the air.

The recent new wrestlers have really impressed me and gotten me hyped. Hassan and Daivari are kind of like RAW's Carlito and Jesus, since all four are great wrestlers (so I've heard), good on the mic, and have sort of similar builds and relations to each other.

These guys are definitely main event material. I'm sure Hassan's character will eventually adapt with the times. After all, HHH started out as a Blueblood and look where he is now.
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I love it. The promo cemented that the character rules, and unlike a lot of you, I've seen him in the ring. He's brillant.
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I like where they are going with this I think Hasan and Daivari are gonna be around for a while.
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Still, I really hope the bring in Sabu to fill out a stable.
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yeah, I knew he would be great when I first saw him. Deivari is so much cooler though. I actually couldn't believe they had him talking trash about the troops like that. That can really get people's emotions going.
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I love it. The promo cemented that the character rules, and unlike a lot of you, I've seen him in the ring. He's brillant.
There are some many posts in this thread I'll like to comment on, but I can't be bothered to quote twenty or so people, so I just repped everyone (I hope I got everyone), and decided to talk about the issues that have come up in this thread.

But the one I'm really eager to respond to is Champion's post. I agree Muhammad is a FANTASTIC wrestler, although I have yet to see him wrestle, I have heard he has a high-impact, impressive looking and unique finisher (I really hope they let him use it). I've forgotten the name of the move, but I think it was something like "The Problem Solver" or something of the such. I'm pretty sure there was an "M" in their somewhere. If you could help it would be greatly appreciated.

One thing I'm a bit nervous of is how they'll book Muhammad to look. Randy Orton, Orlando Jordan, Rene Dupree, Batista, Danny Basham, Doug Basham, Charlie Haas, John Cena, Shelton Benjamin and Rob Conway. I'm sure there are others, but all these people have two things in common. One is they're fantastic wrestlers that graduated from OVW, and another is that they are either extremely toned down in the WWE mainstream, or they rarely get the chance to really go.

Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin have received their chances, but they don't get them every week (as they would in OVW), while The Bashams haven't gotten their chance to really show off, and have become just decent WWE wrestlers. John Cena has sacrificed his wrestling abilties to fuel his gimmick if you will, something I hope they DON'T do with Muhammad Hassan.

Anyway, here are some things I hope they don't do with Muhammad Hassan.

Job Him
He loses, he's done. Especially if it is his first match. I have faith the WWE will give him some strong wins starting off, but winning is only half the problem.

Have Him Cheat
This could be probably the worst direction they could take with the character, IMO. Have him play the role of a gladiator, so down the line he can just say, I am Muhammad Hassan and it should inspire fear. Do not have him pull the tights, do not have him use the ropes, do not have him use Khosrow illegally, have him win CLEANLY, and fairly decisively. The only excuse a face should have is that they didn't expect him to be that good.

Have Khosrow Play Dirty
I personally think there is just as much room for developement with Khosrow as there is for Muhammad. If I were booking, I wouldn't have Khosrow budge from his position. Have him stand there watching, his expression rarely changing (maybe even never if it wasn't for someone trying to get DQ'd on purpose or something). I would mark out if Daivari didn't back down either.

Knowing the WWE, Muhammad's first match will be against Foley, and Daivari will get up on the apron, Foley will then go hit him, but Khosrow will jump down, then Foley wil chase him around the ring, then Daivari will scaramble into the ring and Muhammad will attack Foley. I hate this idea. Daivari should look into the eyes of Kane and not flinch. Build-up intrigue to him, and his relationship with Muhammad. Why does Muhammad need Khosrow at ringside? Who is the leader of the two? Is Muhammad Khosrow's Weapon of Mass Destruction? By having these two lose their intrigue, you run the risk of dumping these two in the Red Sea of Anti-American gimmicks that don't float.

Anyway, here are my ideas for the characters' futures:

It's All An Experiment
How much heat would it draw if they went the classic "Way of turning Eugene back into Nick Dinsmore" route, and had Muhammad announce he is really Mark Magnus, and this is really Shawn Daivari, and we are from *insert educational research facility here*, and we decided to do an experiment to see how you people react to an Arab-American asking for a fair chance. Then they go on about how Magnus now HATES us because the fans that booed "Muhammad Hassan" give Real Americans a bad name. This can lead to feuds extremely easily with The Rock and Hulk Hogan. They can then avoid turning this into a race thing, with The Rock or Hulk Hogan saying the fans didn't boo Muhammad Hassan because he was Arab-American, they booed Mark Magnus because he's a jackass.

You can then move Shawn Daivari to SmackDown! (but I would love to see a Mark Magnus & Shawn Daivari vs. The Rock & Hulk Hogan match first), and have him play the lead heel in the cruiserweight division. Or you can keep him on RAW with the same intensity he has now, and have him team with Magnus as a heel tandem, which is basically an undefeatable combination (storyline-wise), so you cna move both up when the time is ready. Then maybe Daivari could marry Magnus' "sister", which could bring in a diva for the two to share.

Iraq SmackDown! Special
This could be interesting. While it may be foolish to have Muhammad show up at the SmackDown! special, and while it could be a HUGE mistake, if the WWE wants real controversy, they could do one of many things.

They could have Muhammad cut a promo when Mick Foley's out, and then have Foley challenge for the Angle's medal, then have Muhammad cost Foley the match (or you can just have Mick lose fairly, or have a masked Muhammad come out and cost Foley the match, then reveal himself on RAW).

I would LOVE to see Muhammad as the hometown hero, and see him beat Angle for his gold medal, after a GREAT match. Maybe have him ask for another chance before the match via titantron, to represent his home coutnry, and ask for another chance to be accepted as a true American. Then have him talk about respecting an American Hero like Kurt Angle. Maybe have him suck up to the soldiers but telling them what a noble job they're doing. As lnog as they have Muhammad win the match.

What would make this scenario MUCH more interesting is to have Foley the Special Guest Referee for this match (announced before Hassan is the opponent), and have him take an oath to be fair and impartial in the match (again before Hassan is announced the opponent), and have Foley count the 1-2-3 for Hassan's debut match.

Then you can have Muhammad appear on RAW and cut a promo either about how he lied when he said he respected the troops just so he could avoid being shot out of spite, or about how he really does want a second chance. (in a more sincere Kenzo-style type gimmick, where he admits he doesn't like the war, but what Foley said really spoke to him). This can lead to Angle vs. Hassan, and Foley vs. Hassan (since now Muhammad respects Foley). You could then have The Rock come back and tell Muhammad that he doesn't care what Muhammad believes in, which can lead to a sympathy face feud with The Rock, which if done right, could lead to a MASSIVE fanbase for Hassan (if he already doesn't have one).

I just hope they handle this all right, and most importantly, do what's right for Hassan's direction, not "what the fans want to see". I'm sure the marks are hoping Muhammad is made to look like just another Rob Conway (American who "betrayed" his country, now is looking for justice but is no real threat), but they should really use Muhammad as a "Stone Cold" tough Hassan, to the point where JR can speculate which one is tougher.
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Your tips on how to handle their characters reflect my own thoughts precisely. We've had a plethora of cowardly heels for a while now. Hassan and Daivari should be different... they need a sinister aura to them. They don't back down. They play it smart. Even when they walk away, you don't feel it's because they're scared.

This angle can be really special: please don't ruin it.
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Old 12-15-2004, 08:23 PM   #23
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I love these 2 characters. i love to hate it when Daivari speaks his language, Persian I think... This storyline is gold for the wwe. unless you have idiot fans screamin WHAT during their promos
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Your tips on how to handle their characters reflect my own thoughts precisely. We've had a plethora of cowardly heels for a while now. Hassan and Daivari should be different... they need a sinister aura to them. They don't back down. They play it smart. Even when they walk away, you don't feel it's because they're scared.

This angle can be really special: please don't ruin it.
I'm glad we both think the same way.

Hopefully the WWE feels the same way.
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This thread makes me regret turning off the TV once I heard the first "WHAT" chant interupting the pauses of Hassan.

The Mick Foley with John Kerry bumper stickers was pretty funny though. I laughed at the reaction it got. Stupid Americans.
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Even when they walk away, you don't feel it's because they're scared.
That's exactly my thoughts. When they walked away on Raw that look on their faces and the fact that their pace was just.....

I got the impression that it wasn't fear. They were just disrespecting Foley as they have felt to be disrespected by America.

I thought that they could have beat Foley down if they wanted to.

Never once did I think they were scared and I loved it.
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There are some many posts in this thread I'll like to comment on, but I can't be bothered to quote twenty or so people, so I just repped everyone (I hope I got everyone), and decided to talk about the issues that have come up in this thread.

But the one I'm really eager to respond to is Champion's post. I agree Muhammad is a FANTASTIC wrestler, although I have yet to see him wrestle, I have heard he has a high-impact, impressive looking and unique finisher (I really hope they let him use it). I've forgotten the name of the move, but I think it was something like "The Problem Solver" or something of the such. I'm pretty sure there was an "M" in their somewhere. If you could help it would be greatly appreciated.

One thing I'm a bit nervous of is how they'll book Muhammad to look. Randy Orton, Orlando Jordan, Rene Dupree, Batista, Danny Basham, Doug Basham, Charlie Haas, John Cena, Shelton Benjamin and Rob Conway. I'm sure there are others, but all these people have two things in common. One is they're fantastic wrestlers that graduated from OVW, and another is that they are either extremely toned down in the WWE mainstream, or they rarely get the chance to really go.

Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin have received their chances, but they don't get them every week (as they would in OVW), while The Bashams haven't gotten their chance to really show off, and have become just decent WWE wrestlers. John Cena has sacrificed his wrestling abilties to fuel his gimmick if you will, something I hope they DON'T do with Muhammad Hassan.

Anyway, here are some things I hope they don't do with Muhammad Hassan.

Job Him
He loses, he's done. Especially if it is his first match. I have faith the WWE will give him some strong wins starting off, but winning is only half the problem.

Have Him Cheat
This could be probably the worst direction they could take with the character, IMO. Have him play the role of a gladiator, so down the line he can just say, I am Muhammad Hassan and it should inspire fear. Do not have him pull the tights, do not have him use the ropes, do not have him use Khosrow illegally, have him win CLEANLY, and fairly decisively. The only excuse a face should have is that they didn't expect him to be that good.

Have Khosrow Play Dirty
I personally think there is just as much room for developement with Khosrow as there is for Muhammad. If I were booking, I wouldn't have Khosrow budge from his position. Have him stand there watching, his expression rarely changing (maybe even never if it wasn't for someone trying to get DQ'd on purpose or something). I would mark out if Daivari didn't back down either.

Knowing the WWE, Muhammad's first match will be against Foley, and Daivari will get up on the apron, Foley will then go hit him, but Khosrow will jump down, then Foley wil chase him around the ring, then Daivari will scaramble into the ring and Muhammad will attack Foley. I hate this idea. Daivari should look into the eyes of Kane and not flinch. Build-up intrigue to him, and his relationship with Muhammad. Why does Muhammad need Khosrow at ringside? Who is the leader of the two? Is Muhammad Khosrow's Weapon of Mass Destruction? By having these two lose their intrigue, you run the risk of dumping these two in the Red Sea of Anti-American gimmicks that don't float.

Anyway, here are my ideas for the characters' futures:

It's All An Experiment
How much heat would it draw if they went the classic "Way of turning Eugene back into Nick Dinsmore" route, and had Muhammad announce he is really Mark Magnus, and this is really Shawn Daivari, and we are from *insert educational research facility here*, and we decided to do an experiment to see how you people react to an Arab-American asking for a fair chance. Then they go on about how Magnus now HATES us because the fans that booed "Muhammad Hassan" give Real Americans a bad name. This can lead to feuds extremely easily with The Rock and Hulk Hogan. They can then avoid turning this into a race thing, with The Rock or Hulk Hogan saying the fans didn't boo Muhammad Hassan because he was Arab-American, they booed Mark Magnus because he's a jackass.

You can then move Shawn Daivari to SmackDown! (but I would love to see a Mark Magnus & Shawn Daivari vs. The Rock & Hulk Hogan match first), and have him play the lead heel in the cruiserweight division. Or you can keep him on RAW with the same intensity he has now, and have him team with Magnus as a heel tandem, which is basically an undefeatable combination (storyline-wise), so you cna move both up when the time is ready. Then maybe Daivari could marry Magnus' "sister", which could bring in a diva for the two to share.

Iraq SmackDown! Special
This could be interesting. While it may be foolish to have Muhammad show up at the SmackDown! special, and while it could be a HUGE mistake, if the WWE wants real controversy, they could do one of many things.

They could have Muhammad cut a promo when Mick Foley's out, and then have Foley challenge for the Angle's medal, then have Muhammad cost Foley the match (or you can just have Mick lose fairly, or have a masked Muhammad come out and cost Foley the match, then reveal himself on RAW).

I would LOVE to see Muhammad as the hometown hero, and see him beat Angle for his gold medal, after a GREAT match. Maybe have him ask for another chance before the match via titantron, to represent his home coutnry, and ask for another chance to be accepted as a true American. Then have him talk about respecting an American Hero like Kurt Angle. Maybe have him suck up to the soldiers but telling them what a noble job they're doing. As lnog as they have Muhammad win the match.

What would make this scenario MUCH more interesting is to have Foley the Special Guest Referee for this match (announced before Hassan is the opponent), and have him take an oath to be fair and impartial in the match (again before Hassan is announced the opponent), and have Foley count the 1-2-3 for Hassan's debut match.

Then you can have Muhammad appear on RAW and cut a promo either about how he lied when he said he respected the troops just so he could avoid being shot out of spite, or about how he really does want a second chance. (in a more sincere Kenzo-style type gimmick, where he admits he doesn't like the war, but what Foley said really spoke to him). This can lead to Angle vs. Hassan, and Foley vs. Hassan (since now Muhammad respects Foley). You could then have The Rock come back and tell Muhammad that he doesn't care what Muhammad believes in, which can lead to a sympathy face feud with The Rock, which if done right, could lead to a MASSIVE fanbase for Hassan (if he already doesn't have one).

I just hope they handle this all right, and most importantly, do what's right for Hassan's direction, not "what the fans want to see". I'm sure the marks are hoping Muhammad is made to look like just another Rob Conway (American who "betrayed" his country, now is looking for justice but is no real threat), but they should really use Muhammad as a "Stone Cold" tough Hassan, to the point where JR can speculate which one is tougher.
His finisher is called The Finishing Touch, unless he changed it within the past few months.
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If it really is an awesome finisher, WWE probably won't let him use it. Awesome finishers are not allowed.
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If it really is an awesome finisher, WWE probably won't let him use it. Awesome finishers are not allowed.
Not dangerous, just unique. He grabs you in a front facelock, like he's going for a DDT. He holds out your arm, and then turns his body so he drops an elbow on your head while bringing you down for like a bulldog or facebuster.
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How do y'all feel about a Hassan and Davari vs. HHH and Flair program?
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Whoever mentioned that the racial card can only take you so far is right. After awhile the Nation of Domination got really old. That idea was just dumb.

During Raw my husband was going off about Hassan and how he hated him. I pointed out two things, first, that was the entire idea, the guy comes across great as a heal, and second, during the original Gulf War we had the Iron Shiek and that idea played out for some time and it worked. That is one of the reasons that I think Hassan will work, even if his gimmick is a recycled one.

My first thought about Davari was "I wonder if he is really translating what Hassan is saying or just going off on his own tangent saying something else that is really going to get their asses kicked when people figure out what he is saying"

The promo's really work.
The first one, I was sitting there thinking "you know, I see his point, he's right" and I wasn't sure right off if he was supposed to be a face or heal or where it was going to go. I think that was the point of it all.

I hope that he is as good as being reported to pull all this off. I think Hassan and Davari vs. HHH and Flair would be really cool to see. Is Davari supposed to be a wrestler or a manager/valet sort of person? Anyone know?
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Whoever mentioned that the racial card can only take you so far is right. After awhile the Nation of Domination got really old. That idea was just dumb.

During Raw my husband was going off about Hassan and how he hated him. I pointed out two things, first, that was the entire idea, the guy comes across great as a heal, and second, during the original Gulf War we had the Iron Shiek and that idea played out for some time and it worked. That is one of the reasons that I think Hassan will work, even if his gimmick is a recycled one.

My first thought about Davari was "I wonder if he is really translating what Hassan is saying or just going off on his own tangent saying something else that is really going to get their asses kicked when people figure out what he is saying"

The promo's really work.
The first one, I was sitting there thinking "you know, I see his point, he's right" and I wasn't sure right off if he was supposed to be a face or heal or where it was going to go. I think that was the point of it all.

I hope that he is as good as being reported to pull all this off. I think Hassan and Davari vs. HHH and Flair would be really cool to see. Is Davari supposed to be a wrestler or a manager/valet sort of person? Anyone know?
Daivari can wrestle, but he's just going ot be an extra behind Muhammad Hassan. But while I don't think he'll build-up a great win/loss record for a while, he can still get heaps over, cut decent promos and gain credibility (if they handle this right).

In all honesty I don't consider this the classic racist role. Muhammad Hassan has justifiction and reasoning behind his tyrade, and it is us who are the heels in this feud. Well not really me, because I'm not American, but you get the idea.

I don't know if it would have been as impactful, but if they had Mick Foley cut a promo about how they are right about being mistrusted since 9/11, then have Muhammad refuse the hand, it gives Hassan more of a bitter heel character. It probably wouldn't have worked out as well, but it's just an idea.

But what I think would have been nice, is if this all happened in the ring. Muhammad getting in the face of Foley was just screaming for a fist from Foley, but Foley not hitting Hassan but not backing down adds a bit of depth to FOLEY in this feud. It shows that Hassan believes what he's saying, is tough and won't back down, but it also proves that maybe Foley DOESN'T believe what he's saying. Not about the right to freedom, or that brave men and women have given their lives, but rather about the cause and his standing. As a man of the people would Mick really be able to stand down from his role as "patriot" in this feud, even if he doesn't believe it?

It's something that wouldn't be visited storyline-wise, but it is just something a bit deeper than what we're used to, that gives us the impression Foley might want Muhammad to succeed in his mission.
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I don't know if it would have been as impactful, but if they had Mick Foley cut a promo about how they are right about being mistrusted since 9/11, then have Muhammad refuse the hand, it gives Hassan more of a bitter heel character. It probably wouldn't have worked out as well, but it's just an idea.

But what I think would have been nice, is if this all happened in the ring. Muhammad getting in the face of Foley was just screaming for a fist from Foley, but Foley not hitting Hassan but not backing down adds a bit of depth to FOLEY in this feud. It shows that Hassan believes what he's saying, is tough and won't back down, but it also proves that maybe Foley DOESN'T believe what he's saying. Not about the right to freedom, or that brave men and women have given their lives, but rather about the cause and his standing. As a man of the people would Mick really be able to stand down from his role as "patriot" in this feud, even if he doesn't believe it?
The thing that has me just a little confused, and I may have missed something along the line, is I thought that Mick wasn't going to be wrestling anymore. If that is the case, why did they pick Foley to be the second half in the start of this fued? Seems weird that they did this if Foley isn't going to return to actual wrestlling.

No, it isn't the normal racist role but unless they do this right it is going to get old just because we listen to the same kind of stuff in the general public day after day. I realize that the idea to run with this story line is the same idea that prompted the run of the Iron Shiek story line with the Gulf War. It does get the audiance involved in the fued and all. In order to do this, Vince had to wait a certain amount of time since 9-11 where he didn't get blasted for it, but did he wait to long in his wait? I just find myself wondering if this is going to go over like it's hoped for. So far so good....
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From what I've heard Davari doesn't transalate properly what Hassan says but I won't know unless I get to see one of their segments.
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The thing that has me just a little confused, and I may have missed something along the line, is I thought that Mick wasn't going to be wrestling anymore. If that is the case, why did they pick Foley to be the second half in the start of this fued? Seems weird that they did this if Foley isn't going to return to actual wrestlling.

No, it isn't the normal racist role but unless they do this right it is going to get old just because we listen to the same kind of stuff in the general public day after day. I realize that the idea to run with this story line is the same idea that prompted the run of the Iron Shiek story line with the Gulf War. It does get the audiance involved in the fued and all. In order to do this, Vince had to wait a certain amount of time since 9-11 where he didn't get blasted for it, but did he wait to long in his wait? I just find myself wondering if this is going to go over like it's hoped for. So far so good....
Foley returns occassionally, and I think he may be around until WrestleMania or Backlash (having programs with Muhammad Hassan, Ric Flair and maybe Simon Dean). Having Muhammad go over Foley cleanly could really rechange the focus of his character, as to not let it drag out or stall. I'm thinking just a few weeks of intense build-up, then Hassan taking the cake at New Year's Revolution with The Finishing Touch. Then maybe something like Muhammad Hassan vs. Hulk Hogan or The Rock at WrestleMania, where The Finishing Touch gets it for Muhammad again CLEANLY.
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The problem is that the crowd kinda killed his ability to really get over.

Those what chants, IMO killed the heat on the promo.

The other problem is that Hassan will be a huuuuuuuuuuuge babyface in Canada. Why? Because he tells the truth, and since we're not gullible like you people in the red states, and scared to stand up for something, like the blue states, we'll actually cheer him.

I mean what hes saying is actually true, but in America he'll be the typical "I have a different opinion than the people who mix the kool-aid, so I have to get booed".

The funniest line was Foley saying that some soldier lost a limb in Iraq so Americans could have freedom of speech. I was laughing my ass off. Not because a guy lost a limb (I think thats very sad), but the theory that somehow the war in Iraq is ensuring American freedoms is just pathetic. Seriously anyone who actually believes that, well you need help.
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The problem is that the crowd kinda killed his ability to really get over.

Those what chants, IMO killed the heat on the promo.

The other problem is that Hassan will be a huuuuuuuuuuuge babyface in Canada. Why? Because he tells the truth, and since we're not gullible like you people in the red states, and scared to stand up for something, like the blue states, we'll actually cheer him.

I mean what hes saying is actually true, but in America he'll be the typical "I have a different opinion than the people who mix the kool-aid, so I have to get booed".

The funniest line was Foley saying that some soldier lost a limb in Iraq so Americans could have freedom of speech. I was laughing my ass off. Not because a guy lost a limb (I think thats very sad), but the theory that somehow the war in Iraq is ensuring American freedoms is just pathetic. Seriously anyone who actually believes that, well you need help.
My parents were over on Wednesday night (like they are every second Wednesday), which is when RAW airs. Since it's dayligth saving time here, RAW starts earlier, so I have it on, and I told my dad about the Foley/Hassan thing (because he's a politics buff), and he likes Foley.

We were watching it and my dad started off disgusted by the segment. When Hassan came out he goes "This is becomming an anti-Arab thing now."m but at the end of the promo when Muhammad was saying he won't fight a man he doesn't respect, my dad was damn-nearing marking out. I find it easy to believe Hassan will be cheered for all the right reasons.

Why is a man like Hassan saying this war on Iraq has claimed more victims than the American soldiers and Arab-Americans who are now not as free as they were before 9/11. It's controversal, but my father was more concerned about Mick Foley than Muhammad Hassan. Hassan spoke about a true fact that is plagueing American society, and if Americans really want to try and pretend it is bullshit, then that makes them look bad from where I sit.

What I hope for is one day Jerry Lawler to just tell JR to shutup during his "No respect fro America." rants when Hassan is done. Lawler telling JR to shutup because Hassan is right would really make me respect Jerry Lawler again.
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The problem is that the crowd kinda killed his ability to really get over.

Those what chants, IMO killed the heat on the promo.

The other problem is that Hassan will be a huuuuuuuuuuuge babyface in Canada. Why? Because he tells the truth, and since we're not gullible like you people in the red states, and scared to stand up for something, like the blue states, we'll actually cheer him.

I mean what hes saying is actually true, but in America he'll be the typical "I have a different opinion than the people who mix the kool-aid, so I have to get booed".

The funniest line was Foley saying that some soldier lost a limb in Iraq so Americans could have freedom of speech. I was laughing my ass off. Not because a guy lost a limb (I think thats very sad), but the theory that somehow the war in Iraq is ensuring American freedoms is just pathetic. Seriously anyone who actually believes that, well you need help.
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I'm worried that The Rock might be involved in a promo against Hussan, down the line. It would look bad if you saw Rocky go all patriotic just like Foley did.


On the other hand, Rock doesn't need to resort to being patriotic for a good reaction. So please keep Rock away from Hussan
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