Renaming Finishers

**BigDaddyCool** · 01-18-2005, 05:17 PM

I don't get it why they have to rename finishers. Let me explain, the RKO, why can't it just be called the Diamond Cutter, that is what it is. Or the Batista bomb, it is a spine buster, nothing special. I understand when a move's name is altered slightly, like Evenflow DDT or Tombstone Piledriver and so on. But for the most part, why do they have to change the name of the move so it is more gimmicky?

**Loose Cannon** · 01-18-2005, 05:19 PM

You answered your own question. They change the move to make it more gimmicky to that particular wrestler.

**BigDaddyCool** · 01-18-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

You answered your own question. They change the move to make it more gimmicky to that particular wrestler.

Yeah, but when they are moving away from wacky gimmicks, what is the point?

**Aussie Skier** · 01-18-2005, 08:58 PM

regarding batista and the batista bomb.

If lets say, Benoit does a spinebuster, goes 4 the pin and only gets a two count, but batista gets a three, then that doesnt make much sense.

I suppose, by altering the name, you alter the perception of the move, and therefore, a batista bomb is thought of as being more powerful than a benoit spinebuster

**diamondcutter** · 01-18-2005, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool

I don't get it why they have to rename finishers. Let me explain, the RKO, why can't it just be called the Diamond Cutter, that is what it is. Or the Batista bomb, it is a spine buster, nothing special. I understand when a move's name is altered slightly, like Evenflow DDT or Tombstone Piledriver and so on. But for the most part, why do they have to change the name of the move so it is more gimmicky?

Don't insult Diamond Dallas Page by calling the RKO a Diamond Cutter. They should call Orton's finisher "The one-armed head-slapping slam."

**BigDaddyCool** · 01-18-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondcutter

Don't insult Diamond Dallas Page by calling the RKO a Diamond Cutter. They should call Orton's finisher "The one-armed head-slapping slam."

Very good point, and I never ment to insult the greatest of finishing manuvers or the man the makes you feel the bang.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 01-19-2005, 02:23 AM

I think names for moves should stand. I think if a wrestler uses the Liontamer like Jericho used to do it, it should stay the Liontamer by default until it gets a new name. So don't have a move called the "modified Boston crab" until it's named, or have it be called "by Gawd, what a move!" have it called the Liontamer.

One thing I've noticed about the WWE is that they refuse to use previous gimmick names for the moves. I think I remember JR calling the RKO a neckbreaker or something instead of a variation of the Ace Crusher or Diamond Cutter. He may have called it a Diamond Cutter once or twice, but anyway. You'll find if a wrestler ever does the Vertebreaker other than Hurricane, you'll here it called a variation of the piledriver instead of the Vertebreaker.

I don't mind moves being named by a wrestler. It really associates them with the move. While keeping the name its regular one doesn't remove the wrestler from it, Batista naming his Sit-Down Powerbomb the "Batista Bomb" doesn't bother me, because people watching RAW (or even SmackDown!) will see the move and go "Oh wow, that's the Batista Bomb, Dave Batista uses that as a finisher!". It helps wrestlers become associated with the move, and that in my mind is a good thing.

It also shows a wrestler's trust in the move. Triple H naming his finisher "The Pedigree" but not naming any of his other moves shows a certain trust in the move, and that he believes it will get the job done. It's almost like a taunt in a way.

The move also gains an indentity this way. Say Matt Morgan re-debuts on SmackDown! and uses the Sit-Down Powerbomb again. Say Dave doesn't have a name for his Sit-Down Powerbomb, it causes more of a "same move" feeling between the SDPs (because they are). But you call one the "Batista Bomb" and the other the "Morganiser" and they sort of gain their own characters (despite being the same move).

**Funky Fly** · 01-19-2005, 02:50 AM

The Evenflow DDT is one of the best looking ddts out there. It warrants its own name just from being that much better.

And stuff like the Tombstone is differently named because it's not a typical piledriver. It's not even a Fire Thunder Driver (inverted Piledriver). It's just a different move all together.

The RKO is basically a sloppy Ace Crusher (nowhere near a Diamond Cutter) and the Batista Bomb (or Demon Bomb as it used to be known

) is like the Evenflow:better than the rest.

01-18-2005, 05:17 PM	#1
BigDaddyCool Pelvic Sorcerer Posts: 64,762	Renaming Finishers I don't get it why they have to rename finishers. Let me explain, the RKO, why can't it just be called the Diamond Cutter, that is what it is. Or the Batista bomb, it is a spine buster, nothing special. I understand when a move's name is altered slightly, like Evenflow DDT or Tombstone Piledriver and so on. But for the most part, why do they have to change the name of the move so it is more gimmicky?

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01-18-2005, 05:19 PM	#2
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	You answered your own question. They change the move to make it more gimmicky to that particular wrestler.

01-18-2005, 08:58 PM	#4
Aussie Skier So long, Eddie! miss you. Posts: 1,910	regarding batista and the batista bomb. If lets say, Benoit does a spinebuster, goes 4 the pin and only gets a two count, but batista gets a three, then that doesnt make much sense. I suppose, by altering the name, you alter the perception of the move, and therefore, a batista bomb is thought of as being more powerful than a benoit spinebuster

01-19-2005, 02:23 AM	#7
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 61,634	I think names for moves should stand. I think if a wrestler uses the Liontamer like Jericho used to do it, it should stay the Liontamer by default until it gets a new name. So don't have a move called the "modified Boston crab" until it's named, or have it be called "by Gawd, what a move!" have it called the Liontamer. One thing I've noticed about the WWE is that they refuse to use previous gimmick names for the moves. I think I remember JR calling the RKO a neckbreaker or something instead of a variation of the Ace Crusher or Diamond Cutter. He may have called it a Diamond Cutter once or twice, but anyway. You'll find if a wrestler ever does the Vertebreaker other than Hurricane, you'll here it called a variation of the piledriver instead of the Vertebreaker. I don't mind moves being named by a wrestler. It really associates them with the move. While keeping the name its regular one doesn't remove the wrestler from it, Batista naming his Sit-Down Powerbomb the "Batista Bomb" doesn't bother me, because people watching RAW (or even SmackDown!) will see the move and go "Oh wow, that's the Batista Bomb, Dave Batista uses that as a finisher!". It helps wrestlers become associated with the move, and that in my mind is a good thing. It also shows a wrestler's trust in the move. Triple H naming his finisher "The Pedigree" but not naming any of his other moves shows a certain trust in the move, and that he believes it will get the job done. It's almost like a taunt in a way. The move also gains an indentity this way. Say Matt Morgan re-debuts on SmackDown! and uses the Sit-Down Powerbomb again. Say Dave doesn't have a name for his Sit-Down Powerbomb, it causes more of a "same move" feeling between the SDPs (because they are). But you call one the "Batista Bomb" and the other the "Morganiser" and they sort of gain their own characters (despite being the same move).

01-19-2005, 02:50 AM	#8
Funky Fly The Satanic Mechanic Posts: 52,521	The Evenflow DDT is one of the best looking ddts out there. It warrants its own name just from being that much better. And stuff like the Tombstone is differently named because it's not a typical piledriver. It's not even a Fire Thunder Driver (inverted Piledriver). It's just a different move all together. The RKO is basically a sloppy Ace Crusher (nowhere near a Diamond Cutter) and the Batista Bomb (or Demon Bomb as it used to be known ) is like the Evenflow:better than the rest.