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Old 05-02-2005, 09:46 PM   #1
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I was thinking about it today, and I don't know if there is any other female who has the same respect as her, especially among men. Most guys think she is real hot, but she's not in a fake way like Britney Spears, and then she makes music that people like and respect more then just pop music.

I tried to word the title as precise as I could, because I know some smart ass would come in and get pissed at everybody because there is a cello player somewhere that we should respect more. Anyway, do you agree, if now who is more respected?

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She is absolutely fucking terrible now.
Her music sucks, she can't "hop hop dance" as such and, she looks shit and out of place in her videos. She ruined her image.

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Old 05-03-2005, 12:41 AM   #8
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I hope not. She's utter shit.
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Gwen Stefani and No Doubt have sucked major ass for years. Granted, they weren't always like that, back in the day when they were actually ska, they were not bad at it.

Now they really suck. And Hollaback Girl is one of the worst songs I have ever heard.
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she's horrendous. and she's gimmicky now. The first time the Harajuku girls were in one of her video's i was like " o.k something different" now, it's like "wtf are they still doing here"

Hollaback girl is pretty much the only song that i'll stop dancing to at a club.

and btw, Aguilera OWNS Stefani.
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Old 05-03-2005, 06:05 PM   #15
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35 year old has-been singing pseudo pop-rap trying to pretend she's 18 again in high school.

I hope to fucking god she isn't the most "respected" in anyone's eyes.
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and btw, Aguilera OWNS Stefani.
How so? Not disagreeing with you or anything but I was just wondering why you thought that.
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Old 05-03-2005, 08:33 PM   #17
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Bigdaddysuperfreak disagrees with me based on the rep "r u serious?", but doesn't post anything in the thread? Hmmph.

I don't think she is that great really, her solo stuff is definately pop, but in the world of pop music, I think she gets more respect then any other female artist.

A lot of people disagree with me, but based on the responses I think you are just saying that you don't like her, because I'm not seeing alterates for who it would be.
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Old 05-03-2005, 09:31 PM   #18
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35 year old has-been singing pseudo pop-rap trying to pretend she's 18 again in high school.

I hope to fucking god she isn't the most "respected" in anyone's eyes.
Exactly.

Sad thing is, she probably IS the most respected woman in pop music.

Naw. I take that back, it probably goes to one of the country corssovers, like Twain.

But still, it's a scary proposition that someone this horrible counts as "most respected."
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Old 05-03-2005, 09:36 PM   #19
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Bigdaddysuperfreak disagrees with me based on the rep "r u serious?", but doesn't post anything in the thread? Hmmph.

I don't think she is that great really, her solo stuff is definately pop, but in the world of pop music, I think she gets more respect then any other female artist.

A lot of people disagree with me, but based on the responses I think you are just saying that you don't like her, because I'm not seeing alterates for who it would be.
Does he really need to reply with a response? I mean, there's not much to discuss here.

I'm still wondering where this "more respect" bit comes from. What really do you have to go by? I mean, not to say that you're wrong, but on what grounds to you proclaim this? You're asking people to explain why she's not the msot respected when you haven't really explained why she is. Who is she respected by? Is she a musician's musician, over with the critics, or in the fandom she gets a lot of respect?
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Well what I am trying to say is just that she gets a lot of respect from people as a musician. Like during an awards show, especially with the type of people who post on a site like this, if say Pink came on stage, I would expect a lot more griping then if No Doubt did. Really No Doubt turned into more of a pop-punk type band, but they are still more respected then like Simple Plan. And then for Gwen individually, she is looked at more as a positive role model then other pop stars, and she is regarded more as a real person it seems then like Britney or Christina, and she I don't hear people questioning her real musical ability like other pop stars, it seems like a given that she is a better singer/musician whatever then somebody like Britney. I dunno, its kind of hard to explain, but I don't understand why people are getting upset about the notion. Who is more respected, the bass player from Coal Chamber?

And its stupid to give me a neg rep on this post saying "r u serious?" when it is really a legit claim, I'm sure many people agree with it, and I never tried to make her out to be some sweet person, I just said what I know about her and asked if there was somebody more widely accepted as a musician in the popular music genre.
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Well what I am trying to say is just that she gets a lot of respect from people as a musician. Like during an awards show, especially with the type of people who post on a site like this, if say Pink came on stage, I would expect a lot more griping then if No Doubt did. Really No Doubt turned into more of a pop-punk type band, but they are still more respected then like Simple Plan. And then for Gwen individually, she is looked at more as a positive role model then other pop stars, and she is regarded more as a real person it seems then like Britney or Christina, and she I don't hear people questioning her real musical ability like other pop stars, it seems like a given that she is a better singer/musician whatever then somebody like Britney. I dunno, its kind of hard to explain, but I don't understand why people are getting upset about the notion. Who is more respected, the bass player from Coal Chamber?

And its stupid to give me a neg rep on this post saying "r u serious?" when it is really a legit claim, I'm sure many people agree with it, and I never tried to make her out to be some sweet person, I just said what I know about her and asked if there was somebody more widely accepted as a musician in the popular music genre.
Actually, Pink is probably more respected. I know she is among musicians.

Other women with a lot of respect in the music industry itself: Avril Lavigne (*shudders* I don't know why), Shania Twain (Yes, she's a pop musician), Alicia Keyes (From both a sales and a musicians standpoint)...Kay Hanley...

So you know, whatever. We're just doing it to be contrary and not because we have no respect for her crap.
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I think Justin Hawkins is a more respected female than Gwen Stefani.
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I don't think Gwen is respected at all. She has a sell-out image. KK is right with Pink though, I'd put her on top.
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I don't think Gwen is respected at all. She has a sell-out image. KK is right with Pink though, I'd put her on top.
She's got a ton of respect, that's for sure.

I could argue that I don't think it's totally merited, but that's another story entirely.
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How so? Not disagreeing with you or anything but I was just wondering why you thought that.
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How do you quantify respect in this instance?

There is no widespread respect for artists like Gwen Stefani. Respect is earned through talent, longevity and the amount of influence over fellow musicians. I don't see what Stefani has going for her. She was in a one-hit wonder rock band who were always shit, and now she's churning out disposable pop music.
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I think the use of "respect" is incorrect. She may be one of the most "powerful" women in music from an economic standpoint and branding.

You can't tell me if both Gwen and Tina Turner walked into a room full of musicians that Gwen would be treated better than Tina are you?
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^^ Exactly what I was thinking. This thread made me laugh at first, then i realised it was serious, and my reaction turned to'wtf? I have never heard anyone talk of respect for gwen stefani'..this is coming after her latest bullshit of a single aswell.With songs like that, she loses my respect. The only thing i respect her for is how hot she is.
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How do you quantify respect in this instance?

There is no widespread respect for artists like Gwen Stefani. Respect is earned through talent, longevity and the amount of influence over fellow musicians. I don't see what Stefani has going for her. She was in a one-hit wonder rock band who were always shit, and now she's churning out disposable pop music.
You obviously don't know much about the American pop culture industry. Maybe you don't respect her as an artist, but really you don't matter in this and you aren't the people we are talking about. If you look at the way she is treated through the media here you would know what I mean by her getting more respect as a musician and person then other pop stars.

The reason she was able to move on from her real band to making these singles (that despite the tone on this site actually have been taken in very well by the general public) is because of what she built up as the singer for No Doubt.

Also

1. No Doubt is not a one hit wonder

2. No Doubt has been around for at least a decade

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I think the use of "respect" is incorrect. She may be one of the most "powerful" women in music from an economic standpoint and branding.

You can't tell me if both Gwen and Tina Turner walked into a room full of musicians that Gwen would be treated better than Tina are you?
We aren't talking about Tina Turner, we are talking about people in the American pop culture today.


It seems like everybody besides Kane Knight is failing to understand this. Whether or not you like her, or think the music she made is absolute shit, she has a tremendous amount of respect in the American pop culture. Look at the features they put out on her, everything makes her out to be a much more respected musician and respected personality then Britney Spears.

And for the 99% of the people who keep strongly disagreeing that she has any respect among the American public, tell me who has more?

Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Jessica Simpson, Mandy Moore? The whole point of this thread is that people like that aren't treated in the same way that Steffani is.
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You obviously don't know much about the American pop culture industry. Maybe you don't respect her as an artist, but really you don't matter in this and you aren't the people we are talking about. If you look at the way she is treated through the media here you would know what I mean by her getting more respect as a musician and person then other pop stars.

The reason she was able to move on from her real band to making these singles (that despite the tone on this site actually have been taken in very well by the general public) is because of what she built up as the singer for No Doubt.

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1. No Doubt is not a one hit wonder

2. No Doubt has been around for at least a decade

We aren't talking about Tina Turner, we are talking about people in the American pop culture today.
I don't give a fuck about the American pop culture industry. There is no respect for disposable pop artists. The pop industry media respect whoever the fuck is spending the most money on marketing at that point in time to garner that kind of attention. You obviously don't understand how it works, if you think that is real respect for artistry.

If you want to see how a pop artist can fall from grace, look at Mariah Carey. One of the biggest pop stars in the world, now a living joke.

Gwen Stefani is pushing a new solo album and career, including guest appearances on her shitty pop songs. It's a cynical marketing drive, having cast off her only links to credibility in the form of her old, one-hit wonder rock band.

I also don't care how long No Doubt were around for. They were fucking terrible, and they had one big hit in Don't Speak that they could never live up to again.

Respect is utterly the wrong word to be using.
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^ I still honestly don't know where your coming from, well actually i do. If artists like her can get that much respect from making such worthless songs, and not really having any great success besides the average band No Doubt,then respect means nothing in the music world of today.IMO.
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She is the best of the plastic Diva brands because she has a shred of credibility where the others have none and have to totally rely on gimmicks and theatrics. I guess there may be some truth to the matter.

I thought you meant with her fellow artists. Then no way in hell.
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You obviously don't know much about the American pop culture industry. Maybe you don't respect her as an artist, but really you don't matter in this and you aren't the people we are talking about. If you look at the way she is treated through the media here you would know what I mean by her getting more respect as a musician and person then other pop stars.

The reason she was able to move on from her real band to making these singles (that despite the tone on this site actually have been taken in very well by the general public) is because of what she built up as the singer for No Doubt.

Also

1. No Doubt is not a one hit wonder

2. No Doubt has been around for at least a decade

We aren't talking about Tina Turner, we are talking about people in the American pop culture today.


It seems like everybody besides Kane Knight is failing to understand this. Whether or not you like her, or think the music she made is absolute shit, she has a tremendous amount of respect in the American pop culture. Look at the features they put out on her, everything makes her out to be a much more respected musician and respected personality then Britney Spears.

And for the 99% of the people who keep strongly disagreeing that she has any respect among the American public, tell me who has more?

Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, Jessica Simpson, Mandy Moore? The whole point of this thread is that people like that aren't treated in the same way that Steffani is.
I still honestly don't know where your coming from, well actually i do. If artists like her can get that much respect from making such worthless songs, and not really having any great success besides the average band No Doubt,then respect means nothing in the music world of today.IMO.
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So with that post you've pretty much made your point that you have no knowledge of the subject, no interest in the subject, and no reason to be posting in this thread.


Last time I checked Mariah Carey was #2 on the Billboard charts this week after being #1 last week


You don't seem to understand, I'm not talking about if you respect her, I am talking about the widespread population which, believe it or not, is not represented at all in these boards. The media loves her and the people love her, ECG thinks she is utter shit! OMG NO!
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I still honestly don't know where your coming from, well actually i do. If artists like her can get that much respect from making such worthless songs, and not really having any great success besides the average band No Doubt,then respect means nothing in the music world of today.IMO.
You aren't understanding at all. I am not saying that No Doubt gets more respect then the Beatles, I am saying that No Doubt gets more respect then Britney Spears. You are merging everything together when I am specifically talking about the pop-culture.
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